Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

Twofoe · Sep 16, 2016

I think we'll pass Jiraiya's test so long as we are honest and forthright. We shouldn't try to do anything sneaky like "encrypt our thoughts," fight off Yamanaka's mind scan, or otherwise interfere with the process. Any grievances we have should be layed on the table before subjecting ourselves to the scan.

Ask Jiraiya if this will expose our secret stuff (location and info on "The Guardian")
- If so, respect his decision, but ask if we can at least have some discretion in other things.
  - The Pangolin secret technique
  - Bloodline secrets
  - Clan secrets
  - Other stuff?
- If not, thank him and list some other stuff we'd like concealed if possible
  - The Pangolin secret technique
  - Bloodline secrets
  - Clan secrets
  - Other stuff?
Tell him "well, this info wasn't exactly relevant, but you should know:"
- Hydra Foundation might be Orochimaru
- Scorch squads are horrible. You know about this stuff, Jiraiya-sama?
  - If he wants it to be on the down-low, then great, shut up about it and ask for it to be put on the "no mind-scan" list
  - If he doesn't know about it, then tell him it's a highly secret and unsavory thing done by hidden villages, and does the Yamanaka have clearance for that kinda thing?
  - If he knows about it and wants to talk about it (seems unlikely), then have that conversation.
- Anything else?
Inform them about our bloodlines, especially Keiko's, and that we think this could end badly for the Yamanaka
- Actually, I think Keiko's the only one who we should really be concerned about. If we can have any one of our group not be scanned, it should be her, unless Yamanaka are versed in scanning Mori.
  - Be very clear that Keiko communicates with something alien and incomprehensible, and that it has a history of causing Mori, people who are trained to deal with it, to become mentally crippled.

eaglejarl · Sep 16, 2016

MadScientist said:
So is that "Buy some more VD levels." or "Do some more research."?

Buy more levels.

Cariyaga said:
Voting was extended to Sunday, but, um... we should probably address the elephant in the room that is our knowledge of scorch squads in whatever fashion the hivemind finds appropriate and make plans for how we deal with the sealmistress.

First off, we can't just blow her the fuck up because we need her head in tact, so that lessens our chances there. Although if we did blow her up Jiraiya would be more likely to forgive us than if we just didn't kill her at all, so there's that.

...wait. Jiraiya wants her head. It strikes me that... high level yamanaka interrogators may very well be able to pull information from a dead body. That's... huh. Something worth considering, I guess?

Anyway, given that, I think it's worth considering the use of those dragonflies' in combination with macerator or PMYf to deliver it and disable her for Nobby's draining, though we'll need to test how long it lasts and if it prevents someone from channeling chakra as well.

@eaglejarl @Velorien Is asking Keiko to train in her use of the Frozen Skein something we CAN do or that would be necessary to? It strikes me that it's kind of just something that by existing at all she trains, so...

She trains it automatically, although it's slow going since she has no one to teach her the clan techniques / knowledge.

And I am now on a plane so offline for six or seven hours. See you all anon.

OliWhail · Sep 16, 2016

@Twofold: @Cariyaga is correct, we have 46 hours (9am Eastern on Sunday)

That being said, here's a collection of things relevant to plans or making plans.

OliWhail said:
Okay, I put together at least of most what the thread has come up with so far. @eaglejarl knowing whether you guys were kidding about the Yamanaka posting in-thread and knowing what Hazou knows re: Sharingan getting passed on would be super helpful for planning.

Action Framework Hail Brain-Cthulu:

Before getting scanned bring up the following:

Hydra foundation (J probably already knows, but still)

Info on employer + Mr. Spy

Are their any weird interactions with bloodlines that affect the mind or nervous system?

Get scanned, hopefully don't cause a war with Mist and/or accidentally break the Yamanaka's fragile little mortal brain

Can Akane and maybe Kei be exempted on the basis of sealing secrets?

Get our time/date info on where to find this sealing lady

Also in general what info can we get about the sealing lady - known seals, favored techniques or styles, crimes committed against humanity, habits and personality traits, is she secretly orochimaru in disguise..?

Specific mission parameters - do you ideally need her alive, or able to produce seals?

Enough time for us to go get accelerated healing in Yuni? Noburi is awesome and all, but we need as much as possible

Talk to J about Hidden Mountain one way or the other

Rest/train for as long as reasonable before doing the mission (probably not much)

Unless someone has a really good idea for how to capture a notorious sealing mistress (maybe she's lonely and Mari can seduce her?) AND nobody objects to sealing slavery (Kagome), probably figure out the most likely way to kill her (deliberate fail-cthulu'ing / storing a bunch of seals nearby? As many explosives as physically possible? orbital bombardment?)

Maaaaaaybe try to figure out how to get Hazou to see a couple of them, then kill her so he's the only one who can provide them to J for bonus cookies

Those paralytic venom wasps from the forests in Iron seem like a good candidate to keep in mind

Things to definitely not think about somehow?

We know scorch squads are a thing and really want to stop them

But we have ideas on how to do it peacefully through disincentivization!

We've got vague plans to revolutionize/uplift the world

But they seem to largely align with J's designs, so that's nice?

Batshit insane sealing ideas, and also some useful ones

Hidden Heaven / airships fall in this category

We can make Sharingan babies

But not lots of them (unless Tsunade or someone who isn't Orochi-tan knows a lot about genetics and medical jutsu and can help us out) and we don't know that they pass it on

Background considerations:

Mari - long lasting genjutsu? What is it, how does it work, under what conditions?

Also we should get to work on developing better protect-the-mage tactics for when she's zoned out

Kagome - how good is his transformation? Can he take on animal shapes yet? (Certainly knows about the possibility, given the Weasel he made Hazou blow up back in like ch 26)

If Noburi continues having issues, have a sit-down with him + Kei (+mari? +Akane? Whole-team?) and CCnJ it out

Address Kagome's response to getting genjutsu'd - anger? Addiction? Putting up safeguards against it working again?

eaglejarl said:
- The sealmistress, Arikada Sugako, is a mercenary who has been working for various factions.
- Her latest employer [name withheld because I haven't discussed it with Velorien yet] has contracted her out to Rice.
- The cipher ended with the words "Her guards will be..." Whether that was going to say "absent" or "a massive army of S-rank ninja" you aren't sure.
- She isn't a legendary seal expert like Jiraiya. He knows her only by reputation and doesn't have specific information on what she can do, but based on tentative reports he has significant respect for the depth and breadth of her skills. She can of course make explosives and storage scrolls, but she's also good with trap seals and alarm seals.
- There's some uncertainty in her travel schedule, but she will be in Sarubetsu (a small town in the southwest corner of Rice) in a week to ten days. She will probably be coming from the west.
- She will be meeting someone in Sarubetsu who will presumably take her to her final destination. It's unknown who this person will be.
- She'll be moving on the QT, trying to stay under the radar.
- Description: mid fifties, black hair with plenty of gray, about 172cm (5'8"), a little pudgy.
- She is reported to have physical combat skills, emphasizing seal-equipped kunai on ninja wire. Her exact skill level in unknown.

eaglejarl said:
He makes no comment on [whether they want her for intel or sealing sweatshop]. When you ask [what if we get her not to go to Rice but she won't go to Fire] he looks at you like you're an idiot and says "be more convincing."

eaglejarl said:
He wants her alive and unmaimed -- ie, all bits attached and functional, all damage must be able to self-heal with only minimal intervention. Bruises, minor cuts, some soft-tissue damage, maybe a broken bone that isn't the spine / skull are all okay but nothing beyond that. Failing that he literally wants her head, in a recognizable state. Complete body would obviously be better.

Twofold said:
Alright, here's a proto-plan with ideas gathered from the thread, but mostly from @OliWhail's post here. It has a lot of missing parts but the most critical ones in my opinion are:

How to bring any of this up without stepping on Mari's toes and making her look not in control?

How to actually hide anything from the mind probe

Ping me if I missed your ideas or you have new ones. I'll turn this into an action plan after I get some feedback.

[] Proto-Plan: The Doctor Is IN

Turn the Yamanaka incident into a counseling session and see if she can help the team with their issues.

Goals:

Survive the meeting with our minds intact

Keep anything directly dangerous to mom or the team secret

Make sure the Yamanaka survives with her mind intact

Acquire more information about the mission and the target

Get counseling from the Yamanaka for the whole team

Method:

Things to keep secret from the Yamanaka NEEDS MORE STUFF

Iron Nerve - Sharingan connection and the potential for Sharingan babies

WHAT ELSE DO WE WANT TRY AND KEEP SECRET??

Details Mari didn't mention

Mr. Spy - high level operative in the same inn

Hydra Cult in Tea - We thought about messing with that, but in the end decided we don't want to risk pissing off a Sannin (hehe)

Ask for some clarifications and safety questions

Does Jiraya want us to forfeit some of our promises to keep certain things to ourselves?

Pangolin stuff (Keiko, Akane)

The one year agreement Mari mentioned earlier

How does the Yamanaka jutsu interact with bloodlines, especially the more mentally oriented? Does she have experience with Mori, Kurosawa, or Wakahisa bloodlines?

How does the Yamanaka jutsu interact with already existing mental trauma and brain damage, say from excessive Sealing research or the like?

Does Yamanaka have experience with mental health counseling? The kind you use for and not against people? Because our team has issues

If she is going to mess with our heads, we might as well get something useful out of it

Not that Mari is doing a bad job, but the team has plenty of issues and an outside perspective could be useful

Get mission specifics

Everything they know about the target

Who is she what has she done?

What kind of Sealing does she specialize in?

Example seals?

What other skills does she have?

Habits and personality traits

Known associates?

Specific mission parameters - do you ideally need her alive, or able to produce seals?

Ask for medical help

Nobby is good, but we are still pretty wounded

faflec said:
[X] Action Plan: Kagome's Worst Nightmare

Goals:

Survive.

Don't piss off Jiraiya.

Exchange information with Jiraiya & Agent Black.

Methods:

Give additional intel to Jiraiya.

Full description of the Hydra Medical Foundation. Suggest that this may be another one of Orochimaru's little expansions.

Full description of the guy who gave us the Hot Springs mission. Include our Henges in case Jiraiya wants to pay him a 'visit'.

Include a full description of Mr. Spy. Suggest that a rival village may be involved in the whole affair.

Ask whether or not Jiraiya wants us to disclose information on the pangolin guardian to him.

Survive Agent Black's mind~~rape~~scan.

Make sure Agent Black's jutsu has no negative effects with mental bloodlines (use Uchiha & Nara as comparisons).

Pray that Agent Black doesn't get his mind fried.

Get information about the target.

Location and time.

Appearance and mannerisms.

Jutsu, sealing proficiency, combat style.

Allies and their combat/social skills.

So uh lazy strat, trying to make sure we don't fuck up via deadline.

faflec · Sep 16, 2016

@eaglejarl @Velorien Can Pandaa reverse-summon Keiko between different points in the Human Path (e.g., can he go to another hideout and bring Keiko there via summoning)?

Sleeps Furiously · Sep 16, 2016

Jello_Raptor said:
Hmm, did we ever settle that discussion about what sort of plan -> post correspondence we wanted?

The two major options were:

What we do now. A plan gets voted in and, barring major changes in circumstance, can be executed over multiple updates without voting periods in between.

We treat plans as "Hazou's current plan of action" and the post runs with that, stopping whenever the QM wants. At which point we vote again, even if some/much of the plan went unused.

I'm strongly in favor of the second method, especially since we can always just re-vote for the unused portions of the previous plan. But I think the thread has had no clear consensus.

So, this question has bothered me each time it has shown up, which is that it looks to me like we're arguing about a category error. My problem is that it's a judgement call that depends on individual facts in each case - and sometimes doesn't have a "correct" answer. I don't think we should try to make it a rule that can be generically applied always. Pretending for a moment that there are not multiple unrelated reasons this plan wouldn't make any sense right now:

[example] Action Plan: A Sealing Resercher is You

Go to that village in Iron where we met Kagome.
Build a sealing lab.

[example] Training Hazou: Research PMYF 2.0

And @eaglejarl rolls some dice and it results in a rousing update involving ninja patrols, a mole-people ambush, and a lupchanz farm. Dealing with all of that takes enough words to be a full update, so @eaglejarl is getting ready to wrap it up. At the end of the update, we are:

At the village in Iron, having successfully avoided all patrols, dealt with mole-people and de-lupchanzed ourselves. From this state, there's a reasonable argument that we're still in the middle of the plan we chose, and there's no reason to put it back to a vote on the group just because the word count got large enough that it's time to swap authors.
In one of Orochimaru's cells, having been captured by Hidden Sound patrols. I think we can all agree that the update should not end with, "No vote. @Velorien will continue with the rest of the plan next update, where you will arrange what little furniture you have, along with the clothes on your back, to build a makeshift sealing lab, and start writing down sealing research notes on the walls in your own blood," because that's what we had voted to do.
At the village in Iron, having just cleared out the nest of mole-people that ate all of the villagers. Is our plan on track or not? It depends on why we wanted to be at the village. If we were hoping to do more interactions with civilians when we finished our research, then this is not the correct place to set up. If all we wanted was somewhere we could get to Yuni reasonably easily while being out in the boonies for sealing research, honestly it probably works out fine. And different people who voted for the plan might have had different reasons to want the village, making it hard to say that there's an actual answer to the question.

Obviously, there must be some line at which the plan has sufficiently derailed that we need to make a new decision, so "Never vote" isn't a viable option. "Always vote" would be workable, but it would feel weird to me to vote in scenario 1. Among possible line drawing exercises, then, I would want to vote in scenario 2, so my preference would be "Vote unless we're pretty clearly within the expected parameters of our original plan outcome."

Cariyaga · Sep 16, 2016

So, while rushing in is a bad idea, so is allowing miss Arikado to reach her destination, as then we'll be falling to the same trap as we did with respect to Joutaro. We can neither afford to wait too long nor rush in at the last second. That being said, I would like to put forth that we figure out her route (somehow) before she reaches Surubetsu -- it would be easiest to accomplish our goal, whether it is to kill, capture, or convince her, if she wasn't among vast quantities of civilians and in the company of one or more of Orochimaru's men.

In preparation for that, we should ask Jiraiya if he has any airborne poisons handy for us to use -- given the timeline we're running with, I'm not actually all that sure that we can manage to get the dragonfly poison in time. Well... maybe Mari can if she goes alone? But that strikes me as a bad idea for multiple reasons.

Twofold · Sep 16, 2016

Cariyaga said:
Voting was extended to Sunday, but, um... we should probably address the elephant in the room that is our knowledge of scorch squads in whatever fashion the hivemind finds appropriate and make plans for how we deal with the sealmistress.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. But then again, our planning has not really progressed from what it was 24 hours ago, so I still suggest we start making some sort of moves.

I'm out of ideas what we can do with this mind scan thing. If people don't want to try the therapy idea or argue against the mind scan, the only useful thing we can vote for is in preparation for the next mission.

eaglejarl said:
*) If you pass, Jiraiya will tell you the following:

- The sealmistress, Arikada Sugako, is a mercenary who has been working for various factions.
- Her latest employer [name withheld because I haven't discussed it with Velorien yet] has contracted her out to Rice.
- The cipher ended with the words "Her guards will be..." Whether that was going to say "absent" or "a massive army of S-rank ninja" you aren't sure.
- She isn't a legendary seal expert like Jiraiya. He knows her only by reputation and doesn't have specific information on what she can do, but based on tentative reports he has significant respect for the depth and breadth of her skills. She can of course make explosives and storage scrolls, but she's also good with trap seals and alarm seals.
- There's some uncertainty in her travel schedule, but she will be in Sarubetsu (a small town in the southwest corner of Rice) in a week to ten days. She will probably be coming from the west.
- She will be meeting someone in Sarubetsu who will presumably take her to her final destination. It's unknown who this person will be.
- She'll be moving on the QT, trying to stay under the radar.
- Description: mid fifties, black hair with plenty of gray, about 172cm (5'8"), a little pudgy.
- She is reported to have physical combat skills, emphasizing seal-equipped kunai on ninja wire. Her exact skill level in unknown.

So here is roughly what we need to do:

Get to Sarubetsu and set up
- Identify local players and make sure they don't interfere with us
Identify Arikada when she shows up
- From the get go, everyone coming to the town is a suspect
- Depending on the rate of traffic, identifying her can vary from imbossible to hard
Capture/Kill her
- We need to take care of her guards
- We need to take care her and her sealing contigencies
Bring her back
- Make sure she is properly subdued
- Make sure no one can track us back
Keep the collateral damage to minimum
- Ninja fight inside the town will lead to dead civilians

Sarubetsu locals are our first problem. They can either help or hinder us greatly, so we need to deal with them somehow. There's also a chance that Arikada or her contact has subverted them somehow, so we need to think about how to minimize that risk. For this, we need to know who has power in Sound and specifically in this town.

Identifying Arikada is the biggest hurdle. Checking all the people coming to town might be unfeasible, so we need some solid ideas how to eliminate most of them from our suspects list.

If we can identify her successfully without her noticing, taking her out will become way easier.

I should also note that there are only six of us and only two of us have Awareness/Stealth skill good enough to even hope to spot jounin level opponents. Creating a solid enough perimeter that lets us spot Arikada without her noticing in the wilderness is probably not going to happen.

Twofoe · Sep 16, 2016

Hazou's mind is going to be full of stuff about Scorch Squads, Hidden Heaven, and other delusions of grandeur. I hope Yamanaka just categorizes us as "crazy" along with Kagome.

Twofold · Sep 16, 2016

I was waiting for someone to reply so there would be no double post, but with @Twofoe there it looks like I'm triple posting.

I wrote out some arguments against the mind scan. Feedback would be very much appreciated.

Arguments against the mind scan:

Argument 1: Jiraya already knows that we were not lying in our report and that we are not intentional working against him
- We showed up, that should be the biggest indicator of our honesty
- We are still alive and he is already talking about the next mission
- Besides himself, he has two specialist there who can tell if we are lying
- There's six of us, no way all of us (read: anyone besides Mari) can lie successfully at this level
Argument 2: Mind scan will negatively affect our mission performance
- No idea what Jiraya's mental profiles about us say, but to us it is pretty evident that all of our our team members have issues
- Kagome: Clearly has mental issue, from tragedy to sealing experiments gone wrong; if you mind scan him he won't be functional for the time window of the mission
- Inoue: Has cartloads of mental baggage, secrets, and trauma that she won't even admit to herself; even the chance that someone might dig any of it up will compromise her performance
- The Genin: 13-14 year old kids who have been one traumatic incident to the next
- Mori, Kurosawa, Wakahisa: Mental bloodlines, interaction with mind jutsu might be really bad
- The whole process will just exacerbate our individual issues, which leads to more stress on our already strained team dynamic and will culminate in bad performance in the field
Fallback options if Jiraya insists
- They don't need to mind scan all of us, our preferred list of mind scan targets would be:
  - Akane, Hazou, Noburi, Keiko, Mari, Kagome
- Since Jiraya is clearly doing this to fish information instead of verifying our truthfulness, we want the following things in compensation for the mind scan:
  - SHINY STUFF
  - Really, does anyone have anything we should ask for here?

Cariyaga · Sep 16, 2016

Twofold said:
I was waiting for someone to reply so there would be no double post, but with @Twofoe there it looks like I'm triple posting.

I wrote out some arguments against mind scan. Feedback would be very much appreciated.

Arguments against mind scan:

Argument 1: Jiraya already knows that we were not lying in our report and that we are not intentional working against him

We showed up, that should be the biggest indicator of our honesty

We are still alive and he is already talking about the next mission

Besides himself, he has two specialist there who can tell if we are lying

There's six of us, no way all of us (read: anyone besides Mari) can lie successfully at this level

Argument 2: Mind scan will negatively affect our mission performance

No idea what Jiraya's mental profiles about us say, but to us it is pretty evident that all of our our team members have issues

Kagome: Clearly has mental issue, from tragedy to sealing experiments gone wrong; if you mind scan him he won't be functional for the time window of the mission

Inoue: Has cartloads of mental baggage, secrets, and trauma that she won't even admit to herself; even the chance that someone might dig any of it up will compromise her performance

The Genin: 13-14 year old kids who have been one traumatic incident to the next

Mori, Kurosawa, Wakahisa: Mental bloodlines, interaction with mind jutsu might be really bad

The whole process will just exacerbate our individual issues, which leads to more stress on our already strained team dynamic and will culminate in bad performance in the field

Fallback options if Jiraya insists

They don't need to mind scan all of us, our preferred list of mind scan targets would be:

Akane, Hazou, Noburi, Keiko, Mari, Kagome

Since Jiraya is clearly doing this to fish information instead of verifying our truthfulness, we want the following things in compensation for the mind scan:

SHINY STUFF

Really, does anyone have anything we should ask for here?

In exchange for the mindscan we can ask for material help with the mission, perhaps? That way it'll keep us alive and it's in his interests anyway so he won't fight against it too much?

Twofold · Sep 16, 2016

Cariyaga said:
In exchange for the mindscan we can ask for material help with the mission, perhaps? That way it'll keep us alive and it's in his interests anyway so he won't fight against it too much?

We can ask for material assistance for the mission anyway since that helps Jiraya directly. For the mind scan we should ask for something that is valuable just for us.

Cariyaga · Sep 16, 2016

Twofold said:
We can ask for material assistance for the mission anyway since that helps Jiraya directly. For the mind scan we should ask for something that is valuable just for us.

Hm... I dunno, anything I can think of would be on the level of "favor" and not "exchange". Like, as far as favors go, I do have a few ideas there (ask for something that'd help with sealing safety -- surely he has to know a few tricks he can share, helping our mom out of Mist, etc.), but lesser things... well, I know something Mari would ask for, but that aside, I'm dry on ideas right now.

OliWhail · Sep 16, 2016

Twofold said:
Wakahisa: Mental bloodlines

Happy to come back and talk about arguments more in-depth after class, but I dunno if this is true for Nobby? His screwed-upness mostly stems from bullying + emotionally distant and demanding dad, his bloodline just affect his chakra system IIRC.

Cariyaga · Sep 16, 2016

OliWhail said:
Happy to come back and talk about arguments more in-depth after class, but I dunno if this is true for Nobby? His screwed-upness mostly stems from bullying + emotionally distant and demanding dad, his bloodline just affect his chakra system IIRC.

Yamanaka may interact with chakra systems to some extent, it's worth mentioning. All the genin have the potential to screw with Agent Black's head.

Twofold · Sep 16, 2016

OliWhail said:
Happy to come back and talk about arguments more in-depth after class, but I dunno if this is true for Nobby? His screwed-upness mostly stems from bullying + emotionally distant and demanding dad, his bloodline just affect his chakra system IIRC.

Actually, I don't see Nobby as being screwed up at all. He seems like the most normal person out of the group. Or that might be just lack of screen time.

I don't actually know if Wakahisa bloodline affects the mind at all, and neither does Hazou, but the chakra system in general seems to have a strong connection with the mind (examples: genjutsu, Yamanaka jutsu). I don't see Hazou not making that argument and even if J or Black has specifics to counter it, I don't see it undermining Hazou's position too much.

jy3 · Sep 16, 2016

Cariyaga said:
...wait. Jiraiya wants her head. It strikes me that... high level yamanaka interrogators may very well be able to pull information from a dead body. That's... huh. Something worth considering, I guess?

Could just be that it's a good way of confirming that the person is dead. Heads are recognizable, it's difficult for one to survive once separated from the body and vice versa, and the damage threshold for a beheading is probably enough to break most clone techniques.

@eaglejarl @Velorien A question I'd been sitting on for a while of which this update reminded me: does chakra use have any applications in cryptography? If not, is there a reason why the HVs use ninja as dedicated cryptographers instead of commoners?

Cariyaga · Sep 16, 2016

jy3 said:
Could just be that it's a good way of confirming that the person is dead.

Could be, but I'd rather side with Kagome on this side of the conspiracy theory train.

Solonarv · Sep 16, 2016

jy3 said:
If not, is there a reason why the HVs use ninja as dedicated cryptographers instead of commoners?

I'd wager it's because it's a lot easier to kidnap a commoner than it is to kidnap a ninja, and because a ninja can prove their loyalty much more easily than a commoner, by fighting for their village.

Cariyaga · Sep 16, 2016

I wonder if Jiraiya would be willing to trade a seal for something. Because if we combined our ideas for civilian-usable seals with a storage seal that only opens for one person's chakra... well, it would make a very easy way for him to guarantee that messages are received only by him (and if we happened to figure out a way to duplicate what goes into one storage scroll with appropriate materials provided, well... we'd effectively have a backdoor into his network.)

MadScientist · Sep 16, 2016

Updates in blue:

MadScientist said:
Sure, I've been meaning to do this for a while.

Note: Seals that branch off from other seals don't need the previous seals to be researched first, but doing do makes the requirements less severe mechanically.

Storage Seal [DONE]

Timed-Dispensing Storage Seal AKA PMYF_V1 [DONE]

Timed-Storing Storage Seal

Matter-Eater Seal

Siberian Seal

Increased-Volume Storage Seal

Multiple-Item Storage Seal

PMYF_V2 (Additional Requirement: Timed-Dispensing Storage Seal)

Ranged-Dispensing Storage Seals

Ranged-Storing Storage Seals

Linked Cargo-Transferring Storage Seals

Storage Seal Where Time Passes in Storage (possible requirement for PMYF_V2)

Kinetic-Dispensing Storage Seal AKA Gun Seal

Sentry Turret Seal

Macerator Seal (No Stress Limiter) [DONE]

Macerator Seal (Amplified Stress)

Macerator Seal (Scalable Stress)

Fabricator Seal

Stressless Storage Seal

Pokeball Seal (Additional Requirement: Animal Training Seal)

Matter Increaser Seal

Material-Selective Storage Seals (other than the types listed elsewhere)

Fluid/Powder Area-Dispensing Storage Seal (Dispenses contents uniformly over a defined area)

Fluid Storage outside of containers

Storage of Wakahisa-Water without loss of chakra

Kagome's Implosion Seal

Extinguishing Seal (stores all fire in a massive radius)

Anti-Seal Seal (stores all chakra-ink in radius except for itself, deleting all other seals)

Instant Crater Seal (stores all earth in radius)

Air-Cannon Reactive Armour Seals

Reverse Rocket Seal

Mummification Seal

People-Eater Seal

Poison Removal Seal

Light-Storing Seal

Laser Cannon Seal

Explosion Seal [DONE]

Bombification Seal (makes all objects in radius that match a specified criteria explode)

Non-Thermal Explosion Seal

Shaped Explosion Seal

Explosive Reactive Armour Seals

Ray-Gun Seal

Explosive Mine Seal

Seal of Grand Fireball

Seal of EM

Seal of Shaped EM

Summoning Seal Analysis

Hiraishin

Automatic Teleport-Dodge Seal

Remote-Subject Teleport Seal

Telefrag Seal

Mass Teleport-Evacuation Seals

Time Travel Seal

Time Dilation Seal

Nullify Spacetime Manipulation Seal

Seal of Kamui

Webway Seals

GPS Seal

Clock Seal

Vista Seal

Casino Chakra-Detection Seals

Chakrameter Seal (detects amount of chakra, not just presence)

Chakra Analysis Seal (detects features of present chakra: yin, yang, elements)

Detailed Chakra Analysis Seal (detects more precise information about present chakra, allowing understanding of what that chakra might be doing in terms of jutsu or seals)

Chakra-Sensor Seals AKA Extrasensory Seals

Warning Light Seal

Sound-Output (without chakra-detection) Seals

Speaker Seal

Mosquito Seal (pumps out unpleasant headache-inducing noise as a non-lethal deterrent)

Hypersound Seal

Sonic Cannon Seal

Microphone Seal

Noise-Cancelling Seal

Shaped-Area Noise-Cancelling Seal

Sonar Seal

Light-Output (without chakra-detection) Seals

Flashbang Seal (Additional Requirement: Sound-Output Seals)

Laser Gun Seal

Monitor Seal

Digital Camera Seal

Silent Video Camera Seal

Video Camera Seal (Additional Requirement: Microphone Seal)

Radar Seal

Seal of MEW

Seal of Henge

Seal of Earth Clone

Seal of Tiny Earth Clones

Seal of Nanoclones

State Seals

Logic Seals

Computer Seal (Additional Requirements: Speaker Seal, Monitor Seal, some kind of input)

Internet Seals

Force Wall Seal

Force Wall projected from a single Seal

Single-Direction Permeable Force Wall Seal

Selectively Permeable Force Wall Seals

One-Way Mirror Force Wall Seal

Force Shuriken-Extension Seal

Force Kunai-Extension Seal

Curved Force Wall Seal

Spherial Force Field Seal

Dome Force Field Seal

Force Cage Seal

Opaque Force Wall Seal

Force Hut Seal

Programmable Force-Architecture Seal (Additional Requirement: Computer Seal)

Force Tower Seal

Force Citadel Seal

Blood Loss Prevention Seal (Additional Requirement: Single Diagnostic "Detect Wounds" Seal)

Razorwire Seals

Force Buckler Seal

Force Tower-Shield Seal

Skintight Forcefield Seal

Five-Seal Barrier

Kinetic Resistence Seal (F-SB without the four extra seals, only partially decreases movement and damage instead of eliminating them)

One-Seal Barrier (F-SB without the four extra seals, locks position relative to the Earth)

Mobile One-Seal Barrier (O-SB that locks position relative to the target itself, allowing indestructibility without immobility)

Tripwire Seal

Civilian-Usable Storage Seal (two tripwires run over the surface of the paper, tripping them activates their functions, one stores, the other unstores) (Additional Requirement: Storage Seal)

Single Diagnostic Seal (monitors a single biological function) (Additional Requirement: Any Output Seal)

Multiple Diagnostic Seal (combination of multiple SDSs)

Lie-Detector Seal

Rengeneration Seal

Monogenic Mutation Seals

Polygenic Mutation Seals

Auto-Dispel Seal (Requires: Single Diagnostic "Detect Foreign Chakra" Seal)

Sealing Modularity

Seals that can maintain their charge by drawing from supplies of Wakahisa water

Beacon Seals

Automatic Seal Reactivation

Flesh Maintainance Seal (required component for putting seals on flesh)

Seal Self-Repair (alternative component for putting seals on flesh)

Seal Error-Checker (scans a seal blank for known errors) (Required: any output)

Altered Gravity Seal

Anti Deva Path Seal

Black Hole Seal (plz no)

Gravitational Time Dilation Seal

Wormhole Seal

Gravitational Space Warping Seal

Gravitational Warp-Drive Seal

Seal of Light-Weight Rock Technique

Seals of Pangolin-Element Techniques

Seals of Composite Element Techniques

Seal of Ice Element Freeze Ray

Seal of Ice Element Ice-Cube Dispenser (makes ice cubes from real ice, like MEW makes walls from real stone)

Seal of Dust Element

Seals of Mokuton Anti-Bijuu Techniques (Additional Requirement: ACL Microorganism Generation Seal)

Chakra Draining Seal

Chakra Battery Seal

Artficial Chakra Lifeform (ACL) Microorganism Generation Seal

ACL Plant Generation Seal

ACL Minor Demon Generation Seal

ACL Demon Generation Seal

Seal Neural Interfacing

Sensory HUD Seal

Animal Training Seal

Unadaptive Genjutsu Seals

Sensory Deprivation Seal

Pain Seal

Imbalance Seal

Knockout Seal

Shinigami Seal

Paralysis Seal

Empathy Seal

Retrograde Amnesia Seal

Anterograde Amnesia Seal

Suggestibility Seal

Linked Genjutsu Vector Seals (when the user and victim are both in range of/in contact with the appropriate seal, the user can cast genjutsu on the victim without needing to see their eyes)

Poor Man's 64 Palms

Area Chakra-Disabling Seal

Stun Seal

Poor Man's Chidori

Seal of Lightning Boost

Seals of Elemental Construct Generation

Seal of Invisibility (physically bends light around the subject, not genjutsu based)

Linked Chakra-Transmission Seals

Force Generation Seal

Gyroscope Seal

Cannon Seal

Mass Driver Seal

Proximity Motion Detection Seal

Projectile-Storing Storage Seal (Additional Requirement: Ranged-Storing Storage Seals)

Intoxication Seals (different seals for intoxication with different drugs)

AoE Intoxication Seal

Time-Delayed AoE Intoxication Seal

Edo Tensei (how am I only just adding this now?!)

Chakra Rebalancer Seal

Chakra-Construct Dispulsion Seal

Silence Seal (cancels sonic waves through the air in radius)

Nadir Seal (Seals or negates a large amount of energy within radius, regardless of what form that energy takes. Induces massive Slowing/Darkening/Chilling/Quietening effect.)

Zenith Seal (Massively amplifies all types of energy in its radius. Movement gets faster, light gets brighter, sounds get louder, temperature gets hotter.)

Arbitrary Timer Trigger Seal

Trigger Multiplexer Seal

Arbitrary Detection Seal (Scans radius for a thing, gives output if it finds that thing.)

Arbitrary Detection Trigger Seal (Scans radius for a thing, triggers connected seal if it finds that thing.)

Voice Command Trigger Seal (Listens for a command word, activates connected seal if it hears that word.)

Trigger-Blocker Seal (Connects to the connection between a trigger and another seal. While Trigger-Blocker is activated, it will prevent the trigger from activating the other seal.)

Seal-Blocker Seal (Connects to another seal. While Seal-Blocker is activated, it prevents the other seal from activating.)

Power Weapon Seal (Coats weapon in raiton, katon, and/or futon chakra while seal is running, allowing it to imitate a chakra-blade.)

Paired Relative-Kinematics Seals (Seals that attract/repel/reorient each other/themselves relative to each other.)

Briefvoice · Sep 16, 2016

Twofold said:
I'm out of ideas what we can do with this mind scan thing. If people don't want to try the therapy idea or argue against the mind scan, the only useful thing we can vote for is in preparation for the next mission.

Eaglejarl explicitly promised, "You'll pass the mind scan; nothing too objectionable," violating his usual firm rules about not telling us what's going to happen.

So there doesn't seem to be a lot of utility in wasting time arguing against it.

eaglejarl · Sep 16, 2016

faflec said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien Can Pandaa reverse-summon Keiko between different points in the Human Path (e.g., can he go to another hideout and bring Keiko there via summoning)?

Nope. When Keiko is reverse summoned she always goes back to where she was originally summoned from. Also, summoning is a pull-only event -- Pandaa appears on the Human Path wherever Keiko is, and Keiko appears on the Summon Path wherever Pandaa is. (Or wherever her summoner is, if it was one of her other contractees that summoned her.) That means that Pandaa can pull her to one location, send her back, walk to another location, and pull her to there. Can't do it while they're on the same Path, though.

jy3 said:
Could just be that it's a good way of confirming that the person is dead. Heads are recognizable, it's difficult for one to survive once separated from the body and vice versa, and the damage threshold for a beheading is probably enough to break most clone techniques.

@eaglejarl @Velorien A question I'd been sitting on for a while of which this update reminded me: does chakra use have any applications in cryptography? If not, is there a reason why the HVs use ninja as dedicated cryptographers instead of commoners?

There may well be civilian cryptographers as well. We haven't talked about it, but it's not unreasonable.

faflec · Sep 16, 2016

eaglejarl said:
Nope. When Keiko is reverse summoned she always goes back to where she was originally summoned from. Also, summoning is a pull-only event -- Pandaa appears on the Human Path wherever Keiko is, and Keiko appears on the Summon Path wherever Pandaa is. (Or wherever her summoner is, if it was one of her other contractees that summoned her.) That means that Pandaa can pull her to one location, send her back, walk to another location, and pull her to there. Can't do it while they're on the same Path, though.

So on that note, if Keiko summons Pandaa and then another Pangolin reverse summons her to Pangolin Village, can Pandaa move somewhere else (on the Human Path) and summon Keiko to that new point?

Twofold · Sep 16, 2016

Briefvoice said:
Eaglejarl explicitly promised, "You'll pass the mind scan; nothing too objectionable," violating his usual firm rules about not telling us what's going to happen.

So there doesn't seem to be a lot of utility in wasting time arguing against it.

Passing the mind scan doesn't mean that Jiraya didn't get information to use against us or that it doesn't have negative consequences for the team or the people they care about. For example I'm genuinely worried about Kagome's reaction to a mind scan and I can't say I want to give Jiraya any more ammunition that he already has.

Not to mention how we are probably leaving shiny things on the table and appearing pretty damn weak by not trying to argue against it.

On a meta level I'm also annoyed by decision points where we make no decisions. What are we here for if to not feed Hazou stuff to say and do?

faflec · Sep 16, 2016

Twofold said:
On a meta level I'm also annoyed by decision points where we make no decisions. What are we here for if to not feed Hazou stuff to say and do?

To feed Hazou stuff to think and melt the Yamanaka's brain with?

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