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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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[X] Action Plan: Lord of War
Word Count: 299
Intended Duration: Until Rift-openers complete (until then/1.4 solar)
  • Optimize with Uplift to avoid offending the Bosses
  • Kumokugo
    • Explain our dilemma about contacting Leaf:
      • If we wait too long, we can't help.
      • If we return too soon, our weapons might prove too weak.
    • Ideally, we'd establish a one-use communication channel with Orochimaru. However, oaths obstruct this.
      • Release her from her oath, have her swear a more specialized one?
      • Leave a dead-drop for Orochimaru where he'll surely see it?
    • If approved, enact the drop. Include Force Dome research notes as payment.
      • Also Hazou's observations on the GS. The Trade Network must stop.
    • Cannai
      • Hazou feels he isn't doing enough for the war.
        • We'll start spending our DoB rest days as a messenger.
        • Hazou was willing to start mass-producing skytowers for the Dogs to use in Leopard. However, we recently made a concerning discovery about the Great Seal. We can't offer skytowers anymore.
        • Hazou offers Force Blades (or other seals) instead. It still isn't something we do lightly, after the horrors of Pangolin conquest.
          • Still, if given as gifts, with no indefinite commitment to supply, we trust you'll use them well.
      • The Leopard war, and your personal battle with Hyōhakken, must demand most of your attention. We do not want to distract you.
        • However, it'd be incredibly useful if we had an S-Ranked combatant willing to fight for us.
        • Hazou can't summon Cannai with his natural reserves. With Noburi's overcharge, there's a chance.
          • If Cannai agrees, try it on the last DoB rest day this update.
          • Noburi on standby for treatment.
    • Research
 
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Sir Stompy said:
How does Hazou think the magnitude of the Seventh Path Trade Network compares to a skyslicer or two for personal use? What about 50 skytowers per month used in Dog? Can we skate by with a useful amount of seals for them if we shut down the Trade Network?
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Hazō does not understand the Great Seal sufficiently to estimate the relative impact of different types of spatial manipulation effect on it. He could probably experiment by activating different effects while observing the Great Seal and seeing what happens. (However, there's no telling how much damage this would do if proximity to the Great Seal turns out to amplify the impact.)
 
Velorien said:
Hazō does not understand the Great Seal sufficiently to estimate the relative impact of different types of spatial manipulation effect on it. He could probably experiment by activating different effects while observing the Great Seal and seeing what happens. (However, there's no telling how much damage this would do if proximity to the Great Seal turns out to amplify the impact.)
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We activated lots of skyslicers close to the Great Seal, right? Probably is not egregiously bad.
 
Paperclipped said:
Prep Microrift Rune. Difficulty Result: Easy. Hazō notes that this rune could be potentially extremely dangerous, as he has no control over whether the rune connects to a Path, the Out, or something else entirely. He would rather not accidentally connect a particularly dangerous/malevolent part of the Out to the Path where he lives…
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Strawpoll time!

[X] [poll] I am willing to accept this level of risk to research Rift Runes
[X] [poll] I am NOT willing to accept this risk and I would prefer to wait for the Iron Rift
[X] [poll] I am ready abandon the idea of researching Rift Runes
[X] [poll] I am NOT willing to accept this risk and I have a better idea for how we can research Rift Runes.
 
[X] [poll] I am ready abandon the idea of researching Rift Runes

[X] [poll] I am NOT willing to accept this risk and I would prefer to wait for the Iron Rift

[X] [poll] I am NOT willing to accept this risk and I have a better idea for how we can research Rift Runes.
 
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[X] [poll] I am NOT willing to accept this risk and I would prefer to wait for the Iron Rift

[X] [poll] I am NOT willing to accept this risk and I have a better idea for how we can research Rift Runes.

The recursive rift idea sounded more promising (rift that connects to itself). Or even two runes that rift to each other. Iron rifts are acceptable, could try the reverse summon rift, etc.
 
[X] [poll] I am NOT willing to accept this risk and I would prefer to wait for the Iron Rift
[X] [poll] I am NOT willing to accept this risk and I have a better idea for how we can research Rift Runes.
Recursive Rift +1
 
eaglejarl said:
Hazō looked at his teacher, his eyes tired. "The Great Seal is a spacetime effect, locking the Dragons away." He paused as a new idea struck. "And, it occurs to me, possibly other things than the Dragons? Sage only knows what else is in there. Anyway, those six Drag0ns slipped out but nothing else. It's possible that the Seal is empty now, that there's no more threat."
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Wait, didn't the Archaeopteryx Clan kill like a bunch of Dragons besides the 6 we saw?
 
Shrooms said:
The recursive rift idea sounded more promising (rift that connects to itself). Or even two runes that rift to each other. Iron rifts are acceptable, could try the reverse summon rift, etc
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DanZapman said:
Recursive Rift +1
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Paperclipped said:
A rift is by definition a hole between two dimensions, meaning that Hazō has no idea how to create a rift from one Path to the same Path.
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I don't think the recursive rift has legs at all. Unless you can explain how it's a hole between two dimensions
 
[X] [poll] I am NOT willing to accept this risk and I would prefer to wait for the Iron Rift
[X] [poll] I am ready abandon the idea of researching Rift Runes
 
Hmm, actually,
Sir Stompy said:
I have a better idea for how we can research Rift Runes
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We don't need a rift to work with, specifically, we need a rift scar, no? Can't we make a Microrift Rune variant that opens a really unstable rift that closes back within milliseconds, such that there's basically no time for anything dangerous to slip out?

The Microrift Rune spec specifies "a rift as close to a rift scar as possible" – why not create a rift and just let it naturally decay to an actual (presumably near-perfectly safe) scar?

(Unless there was a WoG I missed that this won't work for some reason.)
 
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Noumero said:
Hmm, actually,

We don't need a rift to work with, specifically, we need a rift scar, no? Can't we make a Microrift Rune variant that opens a really unstable rift that closes back within milliseconds, such that there's basically no time for anything dangerous to slip out?

The Microrift Rune spec specifies "a rift as close to a rift scar as possible" – why not create a rift and just let it naturally decay to an actual (presumably near-perfectly safe) scar?

(Unless there was a WoG I missed that this won't work for some reason.)
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That's my understanding of what the Microrift Rune does...

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped

Is that what Hazou prepped?
 
[X] Action Plan: Lord of War
[X] [poll] I am NOT willing to accept this risk and I would prefer to wait for the Iron Rift
 
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Noumero said:
We don't need a rift to work with, specifically, we need a rift scar, no? Can't we make a Microrift Rune variant that opens a really unstable rift that closes back within milliseconds, such that there's basically no time for anything dangerous to slip out?

The Microrift Rune spec specifies "a rift as close to a rift scar as possible" – why not create a rift and just let it naturally decay to an actual (presumably near-perfectly safe) scar?

(Unless there was a WoG I missed that this won't work for some reason.)
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Knowing our luck, we would open a rift into the dimension of instant gamma ray sterilization.
 
faflec said:
Wait, didn't the Archaeopteryx Clan kill like a bunch of Dragons besides the 6 we saw?
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Yes, seven of them:

Paperclipped said:
"The first attack was devastating. On the lesser island, a great beast slithered from the ocean and laid waste to everything it saw, eating alive any Archaeopteryx foolish enough to fight back. It alone outmatched the Archaeopteryx Clan's strongest fighters. I believe the same would hold true of the Condor Clan – that no warrior short of Conjura could have defeated it. Through their combined efforts and many losses, the Archaeopteryx Clan's warrior-princes finally slew it."

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"It was a tragedy, but one that united the Archaeopteryx, which is why I suspect Shisoberin did not intervene. The Archaeopteryx had gone long without an enemy, evidenced by their infighting. Regardless, it was a week after that when the next Dragon came."

"This one was larger, stronger, and fiercer than its brother, and this time, Shisoberin left his roost to fight it. He swiftly slew it before too much life could be lost. He tried to calm the people, but I suspect everyone knew what would happen next.

"Another Dragon came, and while Shisoberin slew it, its abilities were far greater and many Archaeopteryx died by its claws. Then another came, and he knew he could not defeat it alone quickly enough to spare his people. He called the warrior-princes and the Archaeopteryx Summoner, and together, they slew it too. Each one was stronger, faster, larger, and more powerful than the last. Their forms were vastly different – I only call them Dragons at Shisoberin's cue.

"The fifth and sixth Dragons could fly. They arrived together and fought together, and even if they were ponderous and ungainly in the air, that nullified the Archaeopteryx's primary advantage. All the fighters of the island were called then, including my comrades. The two Dragons were slain at immense loss of life, and Shisoberin himself was wounded. He called a meeting of the warrior-princes, and they agreed that this must have been a curse from the Conductor, that they needed to flee the island and find a new home. They were to take wing as soon as their King healed.

"All was lost when four Dragons came upon the island at once. I needn't describe the carnage – you can see it on the island. The Archaeopteryx fought valiantly, but death was a matter of when, not if. I was soaring on high, watching it unfold from above the Dragon's reach, or at least from higher than they wished to go while so much prey swarmed below. I watched as Shisoberin slew one final beast. Then, another Dragon tore him apart in its jaws, and the sky turned black.
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Sir Stompy said:
That's my understanding of what the Microrift Rune does...

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped

Is that what Hazou prepped?
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If it is, I am even more ready to do it. There's no way opening a tiny portal to a random patch of Out for a few milliseconds is going to kill us. If such patches of instant death were dense across Out, the majority of sealing failures would've been similarly lethal, and our survival of the bladehorrors rift becomes incredibly unlikely in retrospect.

Like, it's probably dramatically safer than returning to Iron: the density of Akatsuki members across Iron may well be higher than the density of instant death across Out.
 
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Can someone check my reading comprehension of the chapter?

From my understanding, the Great Seal is a crappy storage seal, that somehow(?) gets holes poked in it whenever a storage seal(or other spatial seals) are used? So after a while, the Great Seal is gonna break due to people using to many spatial seals?

If this is roughly true, would you guess this happen equally on the 7th path, the ninja world, and the Afterlife(?) realm? (the place we're opening a rift to) and all other realms we could potentially open rifts to?

Wasn't the Great Seal supposed to put away a limited number of people the Sage didn't like? Wasn't that basically only the dragons? I could be wrong(?) but weren't we told pretty much the names or the myths of all the people that got sealed in the Great Seal at one point? Wasn't it like the brothers that betrayed the Sage or something? Or am I tripping?

Basically, I want to know. If the Great Seal breaks, do we expect a bunch of straggler dragons that didn't make it out the first time, or a giant flood of new and novice threats that are even greater and scarier than the dragon?


If it's just a few more dragons I'd say we shouldn't be too worried about breaking the seal? We beat them before pretty handedly? And it's been at least a millennium of ninja seal use, and just now by chance did the dragons break out. Seems pretty safe probability wise that we won't need to worry about this for at least another 5 years?
 
[X] [poll] I am willing to accept this level of risk to research Rift Runes

If you had unlimited basketballs and tried to hit a human on a plane ride from LA to New York, you'd struggle pretty hard. There's just a bunch of dead space everywhere. A tiny hole that opens for a few milliseconds during testing is pretty safe. Most random spots in space are just dead air and aren't near anything important.
 
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