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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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boo600 said:
Did you ask him which answer means which before rolling? It seems like he's consecrated the marriage to me.
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The 1d2 roll I made was explicitly a yes/no. Listed in that order, a 2 is no. I make no comment on the d100 or what exactly a 1 would mean there.

After having read the chapter: I think we tell Noburi we'll do it if the idea passes a sniff test from at least Yuno, possibly the others if Noburi wants their opinion.
 
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[X] Action Plan: More Voring!
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  • Noburi
    • Remind him that we promised to teach him SC as soon as he studies his bloodline intactions with SC, that hasn't changed. If he needs to learn the jutsu for that. We'll gladly teach him.
    • Unless he's already finished?... If so, congratulate him on his diligence.
    • We'd still like his help for a few days on the chakra water runes, but after that he should be free to study said interactions
    • In general, Hazou hasn't been expecting him to pull full-time duty as a researcher, that's going to change during this mission.
    • Point out that even without SC he's still keeping up with Hazou and Kei. He's stronger than either head-to-head and a jounin-level medic to boot.
    • Hazou has no plans to focus on mednin/medknow, there are some runes that touch on medical things, and he might want to pick up biosealing some day (cue terrified screaming). Noburi's place as primary medic is safe.
  • The Cave
    • Continue clearing it with Noburi, Kei, Hazou, and Tenten.
    • Optimize tactics with full Team Uplift.
    • Be alert for chakravores and magmaspines.
      • Chakra permitting, Hazou should cast Living Roots to detect magmaspines before any suspicious uncleared spaces.
    • Keep using the misterator drain to kill other beasties
    • Tenten shouldn't be afraid to retreat from any remaining chakravores if her chakra gets low.
      • If RW outranges their voring she could snipe them from outside their range
    • If Kei thinks the cave can take it, a full power explosive tag should help mass-kill the 'vores, since their stats are so low.
    • The team should make an effort to leave a clear line of retreat by sealing off branching tunnels until they're ready to clear them. Use MEW
    • If we encounter more 'vores or other interesting beasts seal up some dead ones for later study
 
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Plan name too OP pls nerf
[X] Action Plan: More Voring!
 
[X] Action Plan: More Voring!

Based on the fact that Noburi referenced the Hazou shadow clones, and it's the next day, I guess we get clone XP and research notes XP? Woot.

It is a shame that didn't unstagnate us. I guess the folks who got injured aren't the trio, but it's still rough. The fact that Noburi can trivialize so many encounters, and an enemy designed to contest him in his domain didn't match up, means that he's probably not unstagnating to anything that isn't, like, a massive chakra boss monster or an enemy jonin or something.
 
RandomOTP said:
A lovely update, and I'm more than fine with the results. ^.^

Pretty sure we've checked with Noburi about this before (learning medicals, his insecurities), but the previous answer was mostly the same, iirc ("little insecure, but I'm a grown man and better than my fears").

I would want some reassurance from Noburi that he won't blow up his chakra system via Shadow Clone. He just spent, what, 3+ months studying his own bloodline with Tsunade? Between that and his Stupid High Medicals, he should be able to give us an educated guess, at least.
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I don't think Noburi would be asking if he thought it would blow up his chakra system. If the resident medical specialist wants to learn the thing, he has probably evaluated whether the thing will kill him.
 
Halberdier said:
It is a shame that didn't unstagnate us. I guess the folks who got injured aren't the trio, but it's still rough. The fact that Noburi can trivialize so many encounters, and an enemy designed to contest him in his domain didn't match up, means that he's probably not unstagnating to anything that isn't, like, a massive chakra boss monster or an enemy jonin or something.
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Haven't killed everything in the cave yet/mission isn't complete yet
 
Do we want to bring Tenten? She's more vulnerable to the chakravores than most of the remaining party.
 
eaglejarl said:
Hazō shook his head, paused, and then wobbled a hand back and forth. "Maybe? I at least want to learn enough about chakra systems to figure out exactly what the pool is doing, and how I can reproduce it with a rune."
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This idea that Hazo suddenly thinks that he's going to reproduce the Chakra Pool with a Rune is so weird to me. It is a weird detour from weapons and it steps into the domain of human Biosealing that the hivemind has balked from several times in the past. If we wanted to be able to do this kind of augmentation we should have leveled Biosealing or Minatosealing.

Mark me down as a Doubter and a H8r for this subplot. It shows that the main obstacle to doing Rune Weapons research came with us when we ran away from Leaf politics.
 
sophistsDismay said:
I don't think Noburi would be asking if he thought it would blow up his chakra system. If the resident medical specialist wants to learn the thing, he has probably evaluated whether the thing will kill him.
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Seconding this. Given that we recently discussed this with Noburi and he said he'd examine his bloodline first (see below), the fact that he's now asking suggests that he did that at some point in the last few days.
Paperclipped said:
You know I want to," Noburi said immediately. "But I don't know if it's safe yet with my bloodline, I never got a straight answer out of Kabuto, and I never bothered asking Tsunade. Now I guess I never will."

"If you want to learn it, you need to make the choice," Hazō said. "No more relying on anyone. It's up to you."

Noburi thought about it.

"Not yet," he said finally. "Working with Tsunade taught me a lot about how bloodline research works, and I think I could try to figure out for myself if it's safe or not. I probably won't be able to tell for sure, but I'll at least be able to take a pretty good guess. And like you said, the Shadow Clone Technique is worth it. If gaining the technique means I can skip risking my death at some other point in the future, then it's worth a little risk now, right?"

"Computing which side of the tradeoff is favorable requires more detailed information on probabilities and frequencies of risks," Kei said. "In general principle, I would recommend against attempting the technique unless you are absolutely certain you can cast it safely."

"No such thing as absolute certainty, sis," Noburi said. "Not when working with bodies and bloodlines. But I'll see how close I can get."
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Therefore, @Sir Stompy, I would suggest changing this section of the plan:
Sir Stompy said:
Noburi
  • Remind him that we promised to teach him SC as soon as he studies his bloodline, that hasn't changed. Whatever answer he comes up and whatever level of risk he's willing to accept, we're fine with.
  • We'd still like his help for a few days on the chakra water runes, but after that he's good to start studying his bloodline and SC.
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To something like:
Noburi
  • If this means he's done studying his bloodline, then yes, of course.
    • Just to check, how risky does he think this is?
  • We'd still like his help for a few days on the chakra water runes, but we can teach him the jutsu right now, if he wants (though we'd recommend against trying to use it in combat without having practised it more).
    • Remember to go over the practical aspects of the jutsu - resisting clone shock, the fact that this is harder if you're new to the technique, etc,
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If you think that's sensible? (Worried we'll end up insulting Noburi by implying he hasn't thought about the thing he said he was going to think about before asking this, with the current text.)
 
1- We've obviously not going to be as good a medic as Noburi. We'd only ever be backup at best. It's still 'his thing'.
1.1- Tsunade is 'the medic', Oro is the mad scientist. Noburi is 'the medic', Hazo is the mad scientist. Oro knows mednin stuff but nobody would ever think of him over Tsunade in that field.
1.12- Continuing the sannin comparisons, that leaves Kei to fill Jiraya's role as the super pervert. It's a work in progress, but the multiple partners thing is a nice start.
2- Fuck yeah we'll teach you shadow clone. You're smart enough to know the risks and mature enough that we can accept your decisions regarding them.
 
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Sir Stompy said:
He has not had time to do this. We've been constantly fighting and exploring the cave since then.
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In actuality, no, we haven't. The timeline since we met up with Noburi and he said that has been:
  • 1 day resting, during which Noburi could have been doing bloodline work if he started immediately.
  • 3 days running to the location of the cave.
  • 2 days searching for the cave, during which Noburi may or may not have been out all the time.
  • 2 days clearing the surrounding area (during which Noburi may or may not have been busy) and clearing the cave (where he was).
  • 2 days exploring + combat in the cave, during which Noburi would have been busy.
  • 1 day resting to clear Tenten's Mild (and allow for treatment/monitoring of Yuno), during which Noburi could have been working on his bloodline.
Between the two rest days and the gaps in the other days, Noburi probably could have done about two days' worth of work on this problem. I certainly wouldn't expect him to be done, but I don't think it's impossible, and given that he's asking us this it seems very likely that he is.

As an aside, we've now spent eleven days working on this cave without doing any research. Given that we could have been inside a TR125 and instead haven't been, that's approaching two full-prep DoB cycles (each of which is eight six days at our current PS) that we've missed out on, accounting for travel time. Granted, we may not have had the chakra to fuel that level of research, and this cave might solve that issue, but it's a significant cost that I don't think was properly accounted for in planning - we are still on an unknown time limit.

(Edit: @Sir Stompy pointed out that I'd miscounted how many prep days we could do, so actually it's more than two full-prep DoB cycles we've now missed.)

(Edit edit: To clarify, Sir Stompy pointed out the prep day miscount, and is not endorsing my view of research time lost. Also, updated estimates for cycles lost to include travel time.)
 
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Zampano said:
This idea that Hazo suddenly thinks that he's going to reproduce the Chakra Pool with a Rune is so weird to me. It is a weird detour from weapons and it steps into the domain of human Biosealing that the hivemind has balked from several times in the past. If we wanted to be able to do this kind of augmentation we should have leveled Biosealing or Minatosealing.

Mark me down as a Doubter and a H8r for this subplot. It shows that the main obstacle to doing Rune Weapons research came with us when we ran away from Leaf politics.
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The idea isn't to reproduce it in the form of its effects directly on someone's chakra system, but rather to reproduce it in the form of the water itself (to my understanding).
 
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