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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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MrCogmor said:
What was the QM consensus on whether tripwire seals can be reused by civilians?

Does moving both seals at the same time stop the seals from working?
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Another question is whether that matters. I mean, it might not be ideal, but we could set them up for every civilian that intends to use them. Not sure how much the MC would like that, but let Jiraiya and Mari spin it some, and maybe?
 
Cariyaga said:
Another question is whether that matters. I mean, it might not be ideal, but we could set them up for every civilian that intends to use them. Not sure how much the MC would like that, but let Jiraiya and Mari spin it some, and maybe?
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It isn't feasible for storage seals but I suppose civilian usable air domes and force wall seals would still be valuable even if they were single use.
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail

So, my thoughts on the LBF conundrum:

5SB keeps things stationary by nature of what it does.

Air Dome/Earth Dome remain stationary because they create/reinforce materials, made of chakra or otherwise -- you can't move them from their position because of that.

Force Barriers may move because they create a linear force barrier between the seals, the seals simply need remain stationary relative to each other while they do so.

It seems to me that Lesser Barrier Formation, in its effects, has more in common with Force Barriers than with 5SB or Air Dome.
 
eaglejarl said:
"The law is that no ninja skills or equipment may be used for purposes of commerce except with a license from the Merchant Council," Jiraiya said. "That means no one can pay you to create walls for them with MEW, Keiko can't have pangolins roll around a field to plow it, Kagome can't sell seals—"
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I understand this right that we need liccenses from the MC to sell seals?

@eaglejarl , @Velorien , @OliWhail , Does Jirajya have one to sell seals?
 
[X] Action Plan: Talking For Fun And Profit
  • [Licenses] Get licenses for the team.
  • [Make A List Foundation] Make several lists.
    • [Birthday Planning] Plan Mari's birthday together.
  • [Odds and Ends] Misc stuff we want to do.
  • [Data and Dates] Go out with Akane.
  • [Roll Out] Get a profitable mission.
Nonbinding Suggestions:
[Licenses]
  • Get Kagome his sealmaster license. If nothing else, it'll let him do independent research.
  • Get Noburi his mednin license, if he wants to.
    • Working in the hospital may force him to take this anyway.
  • File a joint application for ice production.
    • Make it clear we're keeping it on a steady drip.
  • Get permission to sell explosive tags and storage seals.
[Make A List Foundation]
  • Make a list of all our outside the average behavior in the past three days.
  • Consider whether we want to become a cracked jonin, especially considering our goals.
  • Reaffirm our goals - the Will Of Fire in it's purest form is our goal, but the Leaf village isn't all pure Will Of Fire.
  • Yamanaka Neira may help us get our behavior back to productive ends if we notice unproductive behavior like fits of anger, denial, and uncontrollable reflexes. Seriously consider talking with her.
[Birthday Planning]
  • Get the team together over a couple of days to coordinate present and party plans.
    • Keep the party a "secret", but don't try too hard to actually hide it.
[Odds and Ends]
  • Go look for the girl that we accidentally nearly attacked, and her family.
    • If we have the extra cash, go grab a simple bouquet of apology (may consult Ino for help with this)
    • If we can't find her, ask people where they are - we'd like to apologize to them.
      • If we pick up a bouquet, make sure it's well in hand when we go looking for them.
[Data and Dates]
(note: I am assuming we have had our talk with Kenta)
  • Find someplace sort of quiet, but still a nice spot to date.
    • Let Akane take you there if necessary.
  • Ask her about the common sense stuff that Jiraiya mentioned, the stuff Leaf nin know as matter of breathing but we wouldn't.
[Roll Out]
  • Get a simple mission, balancing between danger, how short the mission is, and pay.
  • Ask Jiraiya how much money we need to be safely out of the hole, and what his recommended missions for fixing that are.
 
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@huhYeahGoodPoint Since there's no way we're going to surprise her successfully with a birthday party, we should get her to arrange one for the rest of the team. We can help her play pranks :D
 
Cariyaga said:
@huhYeahGoodPoint Since there's no way we're going to surprise her successfully with a birthday party, we should get her to arrange one for the rest of the team. We can help her play pranks :D
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Course not, but it's not about the presents, but the effort. The thought put into it will matter to Mari more than whether it'll actually "surprise" her.

Actually, for that matter, we kinda want to telegraph there's a "surprise" party coming along, since if a jonin is actually surprised the knives come out.
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
Course not, but it's not about the presents, but the effort. The thought put into it will matter to Mari more than whether it'll actually "surprise" her.

Actually, for that matter, we kinda want to telegraph there's a "surprise" party coming along, since if a jonin is actually surprised the knives come out.
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No, no, we'll still be getting her presents either way, but I think she might enjoy planning her own birthday party to surprise the rest of the team with.

It can have all the things that birthday parties need! Like spikes, pit traps, and flamethrowers!
 
faflec said:
That's fascinating because I'm also looking on Wikipedia and it says that earliest signs of inoculation came from the 10th century; this is backed by a brief Google search.
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Let's go to the source: Science and civilisation in China Vol. VI:6 by Joseph Needham.
Joseph Needham said:
The earliest reference (apart from the Taoist tradition which we discuss separately below, p. 154) seems to be in the book of Wan Chhüan on smallpox and measles, Tou chen hsin fa, first published in +1549 and reprinted half a dozen times in the Chhing dynasty. Speaking of treatments, he casually mentions that smallpox inoculation is liable to bring on menstruation unexpectedly in women.79 His book gives no information on the technique. His remark suggests that inoculation was common in his time, even though no one else was writing about it.
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Joseph Needham said:
[Wang Tan's (+957 to +1017)] connection with smallpox inoculation came about because his firstborn sons had died of this disease. When his youngest son, Wang Su , was a child, the father sought everywhere for some means of preventing a similar calamity. He consulted all kinds of physicians and shamanic technicians (wu fang ), till finally the gods were compassionate and sent him a divine man (shên jen ), who carried out inoculation. From then on the technique was handed down from one practitioner to another with stringent confidential precautions.

Such is the account as Chu I-liang gave it in his Chung tou hsin fa (1808). Other books on inoculation include the same account, with numerous variations. The oldest statement may go back to about +1713, as it occurs in Chu Shun-ku's Tou chen ting lun
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Joseph Needham said:
In +1596 Sun I-khuei complained in introducing his discussion of smallpox that 'the specialised practitioners today take [their treatments for] smallpox as secret techniques and forbidden prescriptions'. Each taught only the views of his own tradition, so that diverse views were never reconciled, and no single best method could emerge. Hsü Ta-chhun wrote (+) that there had always been arts of this kind. Some of these restricted techniques could only be handed down by eccentric hermits, Taoist adepts, Buddhist high monks, or even gods. They had to be protected from the vulgar who, unaware of how arduous it was to obtain and master them, would take them lightly and ignore the special precautions, even the reverent frame of mind, that were mandatory if they were to be effective. It begins to look as if the inoculation for smallpox was exactly the kind of thing which would have been transmitted in this way from Sung or before to Ming times.
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(Further reading: The origins of inoculation.)

Sure, there's signs that inoculation was first practiced around +1000. They're just extremely sketchy. But even if we accept that the accounts written 700 years later are accurate, from an in-character perspective, we have no reason to favor inoculation over any of the other hundreds of alternatives that are completely useless.
Velorien said:
You probably also need ridiculously fine control to move your sight through the layers of a person's body, something we never see indicated in canon (and indeed not necessary for the Byakugan's normal applications of scouting and chakra sense).
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Velorien said:
"It's a boy," he told her with absolute confidence. "The Sharingan knows all and sees all.
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In between dojutsu users being able to see enough to defeat humorism and "disease is natural elimination of waste" (by being able to observe, for instance, organs and the contents of the large intestine, respectively) and caring about their children not dying, this knowledge certainly exists.

I would also suspect that, since this knowledge has no application to ninja fights, but certainly does have application in discovering cures to the diseases that kill dojutsu user's children, this information would be immediately publicized as much as possible. On the other hand, 12th-century reasoning is predominantly not even wrong, so who knows?
 
bayesclef said:
Let's go to the source: Science and civilisation in China Vol. VI:6 by Joseph Needham.






(Further reading: The origins of inoculation.)

Sure, there's signs that inoculation was first practiced around +1000. They're just extremely sketchy. But even if we accept that the accounts written 700 years later are accurate, from an in-character perspective, we have no reason to favor inoculation over any of the other hundreds of alternatives that are completely useless.
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@bayesclef The point of my post wasn't to prove "China has vaccines, and knew that they worked!" but to suggest that there are techniques that were being used during/before 12th century Asia that acted like vaccines. Assuming MfD has any medical research system worth a damn, it would mean that a lot of the "useless alternatives" aren't going to be proliferated as anything besides superstition. But the ones that work will.

And then we show up, take variolation and advance it, because we-the-hivemind know it will work.
 
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@huhYeahGoodPoint I feel concerned that putting 'halfhearted effort' and 'it's the effort that counts' in the birthday plan may inadvertently give the impression that the plan wants Hazou to be halfhearted for the planning and not just the secrecy of it.

And I agree that we should probably put the reveal of Kagome's relevant knowledge in this plan too. From what I've seen of previous plans, Jiraiya probably knows most of what Kagome knows about Akatsuki itself, but there may be a spot Jiraiya doesn't know and the Jinchuuriki locations stand a good chance of being useful.
 
You know we are going to need more time to coordinate with QMs about this merchant council bs that got sprung on us so

[x] lore update
 
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