Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
[X] Go to the beta timeline temporarily
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It would be great if y'all could settle on something else. "A-day" has a specific meaning in QM chat and it would get confusing if you meant something else.
"New way of counting votes"?
Hypothetically? I wouldn't rule it out, certainly. I don't know that I would want to go all the way back to "Hazō as powerless genin" so letting him keep some of his level-ups would be fun. Alternatively, changing to a new POV is always an option.
Fixed, thanks.
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There's also the old dependable.
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Broke: Peggy Sue second quest.
Woke: Peggy Sue, but it's all character drama and features a ton of time skips as things are retread.
Bespoke: Peggy Sue in which Hazo permanently sacrifices his ability to infuse seals... but keeps his other skills.
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When we have interludes we count votes from before the Interlude rather than re-voting for everything
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A new quest where Hazō is a strategic-level Technique Hacker instead of Sealmaster would be much more aligned with the activities the Quest Masters enjoy writing!
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Masterstroke: Peggy Sue Deltora Quest (epic crossover), also they have lightsabers. It's still a Naruto story though, somehow.
The worst part is I think that the people here could make it work past the obviously terrible premise idea through sheer skill and force of will/character. Unlike that fic where Harry Potter made himself a TARDIS which I hateread to the end a long time ago sorry I'm rambling feel free to ignore me (good rule of thumb btw)
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Even better: we'd start with FOOM !
A punching route might be viable if we have years before Akatsuki, our current combat stats, and complete FOOM the whole time.
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How about keeping unstagnations, so he soon climbs back to the approximate previous level in familiar domains?
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Alpha/Beta Timeline may be one where seals and runes are in general, much more restricted. It would definitely cut down on ResearchQuest where it seems like we're mostly hunting down exploits in code. And as a side effect make Punching happen much more often.
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Six months later:
"The good news is that the amount of punching has gone up by 6000% since we began changing timelines on death and nerfed sealing. The bad news is that we're running out of Greek letters and the players still haven't reached Leaf."
Hmm. We should really execute that contingency about getting another Kurosawa to download a summoning scroll if we die and seeing if that lets us connect to them. (/s, I don't think that would actually work, but it would be mildly amusing if it did.)
… Maybe we can get Orochimaru to give himself the Iron Nerve and get him to download a Scroll. Then we could take control of an immortal S-ranker who just unlocked SSA.
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Important announcement herein, please read.
Greetings all, I fear we come to you with bad news and apologies. But, also XP and hope for the future.
We sat down to model the upcoming battle and realized we had painted ourselves into something of a corner. There were a lot of things to explain and predict, but the most important was this: given that chūnin-level Hazō with one young 'Wakahisa' is almost able to summon a Clan Boss, why were there not half a dozen Clan Bosses on the field at the Battle of the Gods, given that the entire Wakahisa clan was available to fill up Jiraiya, Tsunade, Orochimaru, Asuma, Gai, and Kakashi? Why were there no other summons shown aside from Ma and Pa?
We kicked around various ideas but couldn't find a satisfactory one that covered all the issues, so here's where we finally landed; we're willing to do something different if anyone comes up with a better answer that fits all the facts:
As mentioned above, this information was (should have been) in the Nagi Island briefing that was widely distributed and should have been known to Hazō before now, but we never had reason to think about it before. As such, we are going to do the following:
If anyone can come up with a better explanation for why there were no Boss Summons (or summons at all) except Ma and Pa at the Battle of the Gods, without contradicting something else in the quest, then we're happy to go with your version. (In this case you might or might not lose the unwinding-XP option but would keep the 50 XP apology.) Suggestions welcome.
If you want to undo the XP spending, vote:
[] Undo XP spending on CR.
[] Do not undo XP spending on CR.
Greetings all, I fear we come to you with bad news and apologies. But, also XP and hope for the future.
We sat down to model the upcoming battle and realized we had painted ourselves into something of a corner. There were a lot of things to explain and predict, but the most important was this: given that chūnin-level Hazō with one young 'Wakahisa' is almost able to summon a Clan Boss, why were there not half a dozen Clan Bosses on the field at the Battle of the Gods, given that the entire Wakahisa clan was available to fill up Jiraiya, Tsunade, Orochimaru, Asuma, Gai, and Kakashi? Why were there no other summons shown aside from Ma and Pa?
We kicked around various ideas but couldn't find a satisfactory one that covered all the issues, so here's where we finally landed; we're willing to do something different if anyone comes up with a better answer that fits all the facts:
- (Minor point) Bosses cannot be summoned away from their territory without some prep time. The amount of time can vary widely depending on numerous factors but is generally very roughly on the order of half a day.
- (Major point) Akatsuki knew that they were likely to face off against summons and prepared countermeasures. The Nagi Island report states: "Although the Leaf contingent had a large number of summons with them, when they reached the battlefield all of the summons popped at a specific point, as though they had run into a brick wall. Jiraiya was able to quickly re-summon Ma and Pa but no other summoner was able to duplicate the feat." Hazō doesn't know for certain how this was done, but since he is one of the few people who know that summons' chakra envelopes are made of nature chakra he can infer that Akatsuki invented a seal array that pushes nature chakra from a large area and generates a bubble that prevents it from flowing back in. If Jiraiya had nature chakra in his body then perhaps he was able to use it to re-summon Ma and Pa. Hazō does not know why Jiraiya did not summon Gamabunta in addition to / instead of Ma and Pa. (Note: we normally prefer not to have Hazō do all the deduction work for you; we are offering it in this case as a gesture of good faith and part of our apology.)
As mentioned above, this information was (should have been) in the Nagi Island briefing that was widely distributed and should have been known to Hazō before now, but we never had reason to think about it before. As such, we are going to do the following:
- Award you 50 XP as an apology for the screwup
- Offer you the chance to unwind any XP spend that you have recently made that would have been affected by this missing information (e.g. buying CR to summon Cannai) Rewinding the CR purchases would give you an additional 552 XP to spend on whatever you want, no delay required.
If anyone can come up with a better explanation for why there were no Boss Summons (or summons at all) except Ma and Pa at the Battle of the Gods, without contradicting something else in the quest, then we're happy to go with your version. (In this case you might or might not lose the unwinding-XP option but would keep the 50 XP apology.) Suggestions welcome.
If you want to undo the XP spending, vote:
[] Undo XP spending on CR.
[] Do not undo XP spending on CR.
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I don't know if this was kicked around by the QMs already, but in the Kakuzu's death/Orochimaru Immortal Interlude it was mentioned that a power of Pain specifically was to make an injunction against Summoning, so it would make sense that he set that up in their heavily fortified island, but they wouldn't have access to it this time around since Pain is dead.
If you want to excuse Ma and Pa getting around it, they fuse with Jiraiya's body when they work as a trio to use Sage Mode, so maybe it confused the injunction.
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HDK.
Hazō asks this offscreen. Cannai tells you that Kakashi summoned him once, briefly, as a test outside of battle, but seemed drained by the experience, and never summoned him in a fight. Kakashi attempted to summon Cannai at the Battle of the Gods, but it didn't work/Cannai didn't fight because of [reasons that will be finalized after the latest QM post about retconning is dealt with].
The final ACE refresh date (prior to time runes) is July 31. We would normally be open to setting it earlier, roughly due to an argument like "Hazō would definitely have picked it right away if it was there, but the QMs didn't release it until well after the contest closed," but... there's explicit dialogue in character confirming that Noburi hadn't started training it in late-July. We're not going to do a retcon, so we're sticking with July 31.
Runic Force Domes cannot be toggled on and off, but can be turned off at any point (at which point the rune burns out). The rune lasts for 2 weeks.
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We know that Pain could make an edict against summoning (the Orochimaru almost dying chapter). Hmm. Maybe Ma and Pa were summoned ahead of time (they'd be smaller than most boss summons, so can bring them with and prep them subtly in a way that you can't do with bigger summons), then the edict went up? So nobody further could be summoned, but since they were already present it didn't automatically kick them out, just kept them from coming back if they were popped?
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Well the obvious answer is that Lead had no idea how Vampric Dew worked and Mist had no idea how summoning worked. Since no one knew that combining the two would be possible, the short notice before the attack on Nagi island began and ninja historically being super opposed to sharing information all leads to a circumstance where it wasn't put together
Edit: heck Leaf didn't even put together the summon rush strategy till we told them it was possible and that was having known about it for close to a year
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Jiraiya knew though cuz Hazou suggested it to him & he knew Kei and Noburi would use this strategy
So unless Jiraiya is even dumber than we already joke about... 🗿
Given that Hazou is one of Leaf's premier sealmasters, Leaf had a good chance of looting this from the battlefield, and we the thread would have been aggressive in trying to get Asuma/Naruto etc to give us any remnants of the seal. Can we say that Hazou has seen either the array and downloaded into the IN or that he has had the opportunity to study the destroyed remnants of the seal?