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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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[x] [Conclave] One Day We Shall Have Our Honor Duel
[x] Training Hazou: Exam Revision
[x] Training Hazou: Exam Revision
[X] Training Hazou: Men Plan, Jashin Laughs
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Save 66 XP
Buy 2 FP (-20 XP)
Save 66 XP
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There's actually a decent argument that we should just stop leveling resolve. The difference between 60 and 68 is just 1.2 XP per day. Since every resolve jumps takes more and more XP it might be worse considering pumping the breaks.
Why goad them into a duel instead of just goading them into releasing the prisoner into Hazou's custody? Do you think that's just not going to work?
That additional 1.2 XP/day should pay for itself in a little more than an in game year (~414 days) I think it's worth it. Now Resolve 79 might be a different story.
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I have made 2 changes: "admire" changed to "respect"; and "for mutual advantage" added to the the end of that bullet.
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I would rather go to 68 and eventually bring it into the 70s. At the very least to be immune to Itachi's and Orochimaru's bullshit.
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True true I hadn't gotten around to implementing it. I'll add trying that first, with the duel for their life as a fallback. I would like to have the chance for Hazou to fight too but if we can win the others over easier by just changing custody we should do it.
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[X] Training Hazou: Men Plan, Jashin Laughs
"Your prosper" to "you prosper" typo remains
"Your prosper" to "you prosper" typo remains
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@Shrooms FMPOV your plan has:
IMO we need to immediately poke at the poor quality of the Bonds and depending on what Hazou feels appropriate either call the Pangolins out for trying to cover up their own incompetence or accuse the Pangolins of deliberately engineering the whole mess to spit at Hazou's face (or some other plausible reason they would allow a Condor to get loose). From there we try to force them to stand down, force an honor duel, or something.
Pangolins do have honor duels, right?
- Commenting on the Condors being more civilized than the Pangolins. IMO nobody is going to take this seriously, it will be laughed off.
- Arguing Hazou had no reason to think he was being attacked. But if this were the case, then why did Hazou leap away from the attack? Everyone saw that.
- Arguing the Bonds were tied improperly. This is a good jab, but it misses potentially valuable follow-ups like "they were done improperly deliberately" or "this execution is a deliberate attempt to cover up for lax Pangolin discipline" which I think should be emphasized.
- Declare that whoever tied up the Condor weakens their civilization. I ... do not really understand this, beyond some attempt at a taunt that is confusing.
IMO we need to immediately poke at the poor quality of the Bonds and depending on what Hazou feels appropriate either call the Pangolins out for trying to cover up their own incompetence or accuse the Pangolins of deliberately engineering the whole mess to spit at Hazou's face (or some other plausible reason they would allow a Condor to get loose). From there we try to force them to stand down, force an honor duel, or something.
Pangolins do have honor duels, right?
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Hmm, I could just leave it at noting the Pangolins don't wear them? Ideally I'd like to make some commentary about the hypocrisy of it supposedly representing being civilized.
I'm in the middle of doing it but I'm deleting that part in favor of having Hazou argue that as the wronged party he is owed recompense in the form of the Condor's life.
Sure, I can do that.
I don't think it was worded the best, it's intended to indicate who the insult is directed at, not necessarily that that is why they weaken their people. I'll probably just change it to a less specified insult, Hazou can think of something more appropriate with the context he'll have in the moment.
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I feel the big issue is that the plan needs to slide forward and not be a hodgepodge of ideas Hazou is spewing out; that will make him look desperate if he has to go through multiple differing ideas. Which isn't...bad, in the sense that it signals that he cares, but is bad in the sense that Hazou will now look like an idiot.
I don't think this is going to land. The Pangolins don't wear them because they are inherently superior to the Condor savages. Only lesser beings need the Bonds of Civilization to be civilized.
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...which part are you replying to? Is this in response to the corrections I said I would make?
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Mm fine if multiple people feel this way I can just cut it. Not overly attached to it anyways, no pun intended
We aren't trying to beat the Pangolins in a debate though for the record, what we care about is how everyone else will see it. We should probably accept the Pangolins are never going to actually agree with any of our arguments
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Kind of. It's a suggestion that you should delete many of the ideas presented and zero in on the one that works the best (which IMO is the "bonds were loose") and go from there.
It kinda depends on who the target audience is. If you were trying to convince a mixed crowd like the rest of the delegates it would actually be a pretty good rejoinder. But for a target audience of Pangolins (I think) they're just gonna shrug it off with good old fashioned racism
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Wait what? I thought we were in front of like every single Clan rn, otherwise why would Hazou be like "none of them will trust me now that they saw this"
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We are, I think the issue is that speaking to the Pangolins and speaking to the Clans aren't necessarily the same thing.
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I don't think we should try and convince any Pangolins. That seems pretty much impossible right now imo. Avoid pissing them off, sure
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That depends on what we are trying to convince the Pangolins to do. Getting them to back off, or duel for the Condor's life, may be in line with convincing the other Clans (signaling that we care about the Condors).