I don't give a hoot about money unless it's a mechanically-relevant sum. I want to use this as a chance to grow a relationship with the Aburame, who are objectively cool and have demonstrated that they're Goketsu-aligned more than once (voted for us a few times, Shino takes our calls
Oh yeah, I don't care either. I assume that they do care though. That's what actual businesses do in cases of intellectual property yoinking like this. Pay for it.
What I'd really like to do is to make our own, better telescope, take it to him, explain that we have ways of making lenses which we don't want to share but that we have no interest in upsetting their monopoly and could never have accomplished this without their knowledge, how would they like to work with us to make Asuma a really fucking nice telescope with the promise of more for missions?
This seems like a good plan. I'm on board with this.
 
I thought she was explicitly the one who told us to cool it until the ANBU aren't hawking around our estate all the time. That'll probably be an indeterminate amount of time more than likely related to her scheming + Akane's behavior

This is what she told us directly. No mention of Hazō or the rest of the team.
The moment she was out of sight, she leaned back in. "Incidentally, were I to continue that line of hypothetical storytelling, I might suggest that it would be a good idea for Akane to avoid using any especially secret clan techniques for a few months. Oh, in life or death battle, fine. Probably best to avoid training any of them, though. Or training with them. Otherwise they might go whooshing right out the door and into the public awareness."
This was the 15th of October and when we paused Akane's FOOMing. The rest of us continued to FOOM till the 22nd when we got this as a follow up
Kei and Mari think that it would be best to take a couple of weeks off from WHOOSH in order to better gauge the situation. You can use one clone at a time at most for doing sensible things like reading notes (emphasis Kei's).
It's been 9 days since then. So at most we should pause for another few days.I'd be comfortable pulling the trigger now or doing the it on the 7th path
 
This is what she told us directly. No mention of Hazō or the rest of the team.

This was the 15th of October and when we paused Akane's FOOMing. The rest of us continued to FOOM till the 22nd when we got this as a follow up

It's been 9 days since then. So at most we should pause for another few days.I'd be comfortable pulling the trigger now or doing the it on the 7th path

How is that an "at most"? At least a few days, and then re-evaluation, seems more accurate.

You very much like to upsell our power level. This is the golden ticket to us actually getting enough power to do the things you want to do. It is absolutely worth a bit of delay if it ensures we don't lose it before we're strong enough to just keep it by fiat. 7th path, sure, but that does have the non -trivial cost of requiring a common summon location in the plane, and meaning that Hazou and/or Kei are just not around for most of the day whenever they want to train. Which is not advisable in the middle of moving the entire clan, when we have the "change the earth to make housing and infrastructure" jutsu. And, y'know, clan head.
 
How is that an "at most"? At least a few days, and then re-evaluation, seems more accurate.
Def my bad, I meant to say/imply that absent of new evidence I would stop in a few days. Since we already FOOMed early and will be over a month since all of this kicked of

You very much like to upsell our power level. This is the golden ticket to us actually getting enough power to do the things you want to do. It is absolutely worth a bit of delay if it ensures we don't lose it before we're strong enough to just keep it by fiat.
Sigh your mostly right
It's just we're so close to being able to do cool shit so I'm getting antsy. It's been literal years since we started FOOM and can see the horizon. Waiting another couple years just sounds like so much agony
 
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So...we brought the chip back with us, right? And are gonna ask people about it?
make sure to check if a flaked off chip is free from our oath to not touch the great seal
"You still not to touch the Great Seal. Not unless there is no other way and world ending is. So it is sworn." She lowered her claw.
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we could also ask spider queen if using gloves or tweezers would make it okay
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mist social spec want lasting relationships. asuma said mari good at seduction but not at building lasting relationships. i think leaf clan heads have socials for lasting relationships. maybe mari/ami can learn from them. their socials should also allow them to spot any of mari's manipulation, which should help.
 
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This update covered 5 days.
We're still using one SC for notes since Mari thought it was fine, so:

Hazou notes XP
3 * 2 * 5 = 30 Sealing XP
  • Orochimaru's Sealing notes #4: S:0 B: 63 R:87
Noburi notes XP
3 * 5 = 15 MedNin XP, 15 MedKnow XP
  • Orochimaru's MedKnow notes #3: S: 65, B: 10, R: 0
  • Orochimaru's MedKnow notes #4: S: 0, B: 15, R: 60
  • Orochimaru's MedNin notes #3: S: 0, B: 27, R: 48
  • note: MedKnow 3 totals have been wrong for the last few postings. It totaled to 100 when it should've totaled to 75. However, MedKnow 3 and 4 notes are the same rate, so I've subtracted 25 from 3's total and added it to 4's. Hopefully this is more accurate now.
Akane notes XP
3 * 2 * 5 = 30 MedNin XP, 30 MedKnow XP
  • Orochimaru's MedKnow notes #3: S: 0, B: 75, R: 0
  • Orochimaru's MedKnow notes #4: S: 0, B: 3, R: 72
  • Orochimaru's MedNin notes #3: S: 0, B: 53, R: 22
 
For the next plan cycle I think we should see if we can get Noburi to convince Ma & Pa to train Naruto in their martial art. Works on repairing the rift between him and might make getting Sage Mode easier when we make a move on it
 
This plan needs more stuff (it's one, maybe two, maaaybe three if the custard is anything other than, like...custard?) so let me know what else you want to do.

I'd like to knock the telescope thing on the head and potentially kick off a relationship with the Aburame. They're all about mutually beneficial relationships and I think we can sell them on the idea. I'd also like some sensory-type friends in town and potential necronaut recruits.

I've included some quotes below which justify various plan sections: I figure this is easier for the QMs than hyperlinks in the plan as it actually references the text.

[X] Action Plan: I Spy(glass)...Custard?
Word count: <300
  • In private, examine the telescope.
    • Notice that it's two aligned lenses. Earthshape and assemble a copy - quartz lenses, stone tube.
      • Prioritize the clarity, internal consistency, and surface smoothness of the lenses, and the concentricity of the tube/fittings.
      • Compare its performance (range/clarity/etc.) to the original.
    • Destroy the results if they suck.
  • If the above goes well, optimize the below with Kei/Mari.
    • Speak with Aburame lensmakers or Shino as appropriate.
    • Give them your telescope (replacing the granite tube with a mundane one) and any other lenses you made.
      • First and foremost: they hold the only lenses you've ever created. You'll neither make more nor take actions allowing others to make more except at their explicit direction. You have no desire to infringe upon their status as Leaf's sole lensmakers.
      • Explain that you can copy - not create - lenses without significant labour.
      • Don't tell them how you copied the lenses; claim clan secrets (and imply it's related to your bloodline).
    • You think Leaf would be well-served by telescope-equipped ninja. The Goketsu would like to work with the Aburame to make this reality.
      • Your primary goals are the betterment of Leaf and closer ties to the Aburame. You admire them and hope that a closer relationship would help Goketsu integrate more fully into Leaf. (Tone: young clan seeks assistance of respected elder.)
      • Goketsu and Aburame have worked together to mutual benefit before (voting for Jiraiya, instructing Harumitsu). You want to continue that.
    • Emphasize throughout that what you've done was only possible because of the skill and diligence of Aburame craftspeople, and the goodwill they extended you. You would never knowingly dishonour that.
  • If it seems safe/interesting, make Orochimaru's egg custard. Try it. Save some for Ami.
  • Continue working on the estate and begin chakrascope research.
Voting for Jiraiya:
"It may be presumptuous of me to say this, Lord Aburame, and please correct me if I misunderstand, but it's been my impression that one of the Aburame Clan's distinguishing traits is its clear-eyed pragmatism. It's obvious when I think back to whichever of your honoured ancestors first did what everyone else considered unthinkable, and invited insects to live in their body, a move which benefited both parties enormously. It's not that I am proposing your candidacy as Hokage, though maybe under other circumstances I would, but I think if it was you in Mist right now as the Fifth, you would want to be judged by your success or failure—if you succeeded, that would be proof enough that you had what it took, and if you failed, then you would accept the consequences without excuses."

[...]

The coin landed on its edge, spun wildly…

"Against."

Hyūga's façade of aristocratic disdain shattered. He stared at Aburame, aghast, and Mari could see the force of will it took for him not to interrupt the voting with an exclamation.

Mari gave Hyūga her sweetest smile. "Against."

"You've already waived your right to vote, Gōketsu," Hyūga snapped with barely-repressed fury.

"Not at all," Mari said. "I told you I was going to defer to the wisdom of Lord Aburame, and that is exactly what I'm doing. He voted against, so I voted against. I hope to continue receiving his guidance in the future." She gave Aburame a respectful nod.
Teaching Harumitsu:
"With respect, sir, I cleared it with the Hagoromo before leaving and gave them the option of sending Harumitsu with us. They declined. I also left him with substantial study materials and arranged for Aburame Manjirō to check in with him twice a week. Aburame is damn good. Seal students fight to get lessons with him and I had to promise a major trade to make it happen. He's got ten favor tokens that he can call in to have either me or Kagome-sensei guest lecture to his students."
Orochimaru's custard:
The contents of the storage scrolls that Orochimaru gave Hazō has a huge variety of contents. Once organized, they are as follows:
  • [...]
  • A mundane recipe for an egg custard.
  • [...]
 
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[X] Action Plan: I Spy(glass)...Custard?
optimize the below with Kei/Mari
Can we just have this at the top, instead of optimizing only the Aburame conversation with them? A paranoid part of me imagines a scenario wherein the Aburame become aware of us making a telescope copy using theirs as the blueprint, and coming to the conclusion that we intend to make more for sale/personal use without consulting them.
Another paranoid part of me imagines the custard containing a subtly poisonous combination of ingredients, and us suffering horribly after trying it.
 
Can we just have this at the top, instead of optimizing only the Aburame conversation with them? A paranoid part of me imagines a scenario wherein the Aburame become aware of us making a telescope copy using theirs as the blueprint, and coming to the conclusion that we intend to make more for sale/personal use without consulting them.
No, but I've added to do that in private. The timelines on this are short, we have good defenses if they catch wind ("this wasn't a clan secret and we're here being ultra-reasonable, also why were you spying on me?") and honestly I'd like to know we can make a telescope if need arises.
I would rather Hazō state that this is what he intends to do rather than explicitly promise to do this, but otherwise I like the plan.
Can you put this in other words, or suggest alternate phrasing for the plan?

Also @eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped are Aburame lenscrafters all civilians and/or is it immediately obvious to Hazo that his creating lenses with ninja techniques is going to be a Merchant Council issue?
 
I will never understand why the thread is so thirsty for telescopes. But hope y'all have fun figuring out what to do since you have one 😜
 
Can you put this in other words, or suggest alternate phrasing for the plan?
Sure. I'd replace this
This is their decision. They hold the only lenses you have ever made and you will never make more without their explicit permission nor teach others to make more.
with this
This is their decision. They hold the only lenses you have ever made and you intend not to make more or teach others to make more without their explicit permission. You do not want to infringe upon the Aburame business.
 
I think Hazō should at least reverse-engineer the telescope in secret, simply because it took us so goddamn long to get this in the first place, and if we break it, or loose it, or get it eaten by dragons, we're SOL. That's probably the only telescope in all of Leaf, and the Aburame don't seem very enthusiastic about producing more anytime soon.
What do the ❄️ reacts mean? I have no idea what is going on.
 
You do have a point, we might be able to offer to pay them a licensing fee to make our own telescopes and promise not to distribute them. Or maybe we can sell them lenses that they design. Predicated on ES'd quartz actually being a viable lens material.

As to running the numbers, that would be fantastic.

The GS is buried in rock. Looking at the butte is kinda useless. We've basically gotten as much out of that as we can. Gotta invent 3D Sealing to make more progress.

Aside from documenting the rate of cracking which is important!

Dragons fly, very fast. You can't aim the output of this structure.
We couldn't aim the 5sf wires either, and that got us dragon sashimi
 
@FaintlySorcerous would you be willing to cut the Custard part? Something tells me that Ami won't find it as humorous as we-the-hivemind do.

We might find the juxtaposition of "Deadly Orochimaru, cruel and callous in the extreme" and "custard recipe" amusing, but Hazou-the-character and Ami might feel differently.

I feel like this has the potential to be another Youthsuit incident.

"I saw her, and I felt sick, and at the same time I was this cold person who asked Orochimaru questions because they needed to be asked, and let him stand there and violate her because he was Orochimaru and I was just the child snatching scraps from his table, and every other minute I was scared because I thought he was going to hurt me, but I was never scared for her because I'd just accepted that she was dead. I accepted it, and there is still that part of me that knows it's hopeless and I can't fight him, and I should go about my daily business while he gets the next Noda prepped for surgery, and I should be in pain but I'm not!"

At some point, Ami had shifted over to sit next to him.

"I hate it!" he spat. "I hate that I am in this world where it's the right thing to do. I hate that all I can do is make plans and move pieces around a shogi board and whenever I'm faced with real evil I bow down just because it's strong and I'm weak! I hate that my strength is my intellect and I can't even come up with anything that trumps the Final Gift Programme that does this! I hate that we need Orochimaru, and we need his strength, when just knowing he exists is poison, and letting him exist is poison, and every minute I do it, it's like he's inside my veins. I'm just like Noda, lying there and not fighting back while he sinks his fangs in me, only I'm supposed to have a choice!"

"Yeah," Ami said softly. "I know."

"The other thing is… Orochimaru tried to kill Kei. I hate him more for that than a normal person is capable of hating anybody. I will smile and nod at him for as long as I have to, but one day I will kill him with the power you promised me, with your help if you'll give it, and on that day the Final Gift Programme will be ash."


We might find the juxtaposition of "Deadly Orochimaru, cruel and callous in the extreme" and "custard recipe" amusing, but Hazou-the-character and Ami might feel differently.

I feel like this has the potential to be another Youthsuit incident.

Would you be willing to edit out the custard part?
 
[X] Action Plan: I Spy(glass)...Custard?
[X] Support Kagome. Make sure he knows Jinno's failure was not his fault and Jinno would not blame him.
[X] SC Rethink
  • Test using all SC hours for
    • Clan upkeep.
    • Plan review.
    • More time with friends and family.
    • Maintaining political bonds.
    • Keep outward facing SC use to normal levels. Can mask small overuse as reason for the sealing headaches.
    • Compare results to switching SCs back to training.
  • Great Seal uses green and blue and swirly material. Refine search for stones that feel good to ES. OPSEC.
 
@FaintlySorcerous

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We might find the juxtaposition of "Deadly Orochimaru, cruel and callous in the extreme" and "custard recipe" amusing, but Hazou-the-character and Ami might feel differently.

I feel like this has the potential to be another Youthsuit incident.

Would you be willing to edit out the custard part?
What if we make it look like his face and make it look blood red inside?
 
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