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You are refusing to engage with my point. Please go back, reread what I wrote, and answer the question I asked.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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I think we're just talking completely cross-purposes.
I've (explicitly!) never advocated for Hazō concluding Option 1, especially not given those observations. I think him assuming it's a chakra construct as of right now in the story makes a ton of sense.
Hazō is able to make more observations than you gave, including new observations by doing experiments on the material produced, and (eg.) seeing that it never fades from reality, and including old observations like noticing that the jutsu has always functioned by direct action on air, and that the nuke version was pulling a lot of air into it. He might also notice that the speed of snowfall in weaker versions correlates with wind speed, or test it directly in an enclosed space.
I'm trying to engage earnestly but I'd rather pull my plan if this is going to become a thing.
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Bumping for @FaintlySorcerous.
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Some direct comments on the thing I think you think I am arguing for, but that I'm not.
The hypothesis I actually want is more like
- Air was flowing into the jutsu
- Liquid was coming out
- Those two things (the air and the liquid) caused most of the damage
- The liquid that comes out seems to turn back into the air (per experiments)
- ...so the two things are probably correlated
- ...and if there's less air going in, there might be less liquid coming out
- So if they do it somewhere that there's not much air, probably there's less wind and less liquid
- ...which is probably safer
- Per historic use of the jutsu, there doesn't seem to be a direct interaction with other things
- ...so if the plan fails to reduce the storm, it's still probably at least not going to make things worse
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well more like direct knowledge of the rules. ninja don't even have chakra quantification, because chakra is a troll. Without the rules we wouldn't know how quickly FOOM could get up to how much of a multiplier. It's quite plausible that if the rules were a bit different the skill columns would have made it prohibitely expensive and slow. but i get your point about opsec.
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i don't want mari to guess from bribe clues that the nuke is repeatable/important
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This is on my to do list for today: expect it in a few hours at most.
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Except we kind of have to, just to make arrangements to leave the Shimura estate and tell Noburi/Akane(?) about the apprenticeship with Tsunade and yadda yadda yadda.
Actually @eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Does Hazou think he is fine to share with Mari details on the shinies he got from Asuma?
FYI voting ends tomorrow @ 5AM EST, which is a little less than 12 hours from now.
in case the QMs don't respond in time.
we don't have to tell her now. the estate and apprenticeships can be brought up later (the estate isn't ready yet) when it is less suspiciously right after the storm. and with fake (or omitted since we don't want to lie to mari. and she'd catch it anyway) justifications.
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actually. i guess mari might be even more suspicious if she somehow learns that we delayed telling her about the shinies. if we tell her now she might think asuma want closer eye on hazou after seal failure and shinies are appeasement, but if seal failure hazou wouldn't have reason to delay telling her.
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but if we tell her shinies and we moving. mari will probably ask us why and not rely solely on her guesses. and if we say we aren't allowed to say why that's suspicious. even if we wait and asuma makes public announcement instead that goketsu moving decent chance mari will ask hazou for details.
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It won't be Leaf's food supply, if we're still going to Gaikotsu Bay.
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See, *that* is way more sensible and plausible than what you originally stated, which was:
...which basically amounts to Hazō instantly guessing the key physics.
If you want to do research on the nuke, feel free to put it in a plan. I'm not convinced that there are going to be large puddle of LN2 lying around, but I haven't done/heard any modeling either. Maybe there are.
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I really don't see the substantive difference between these two comments, or why the latter would mean guessing the key physics.
- when the atmosphere was getting pulled into the jutsu and the liquid was coming out,
- these are direct observations
- probably it was doing something like turning the atmosphere into the liquid somehow
- roughly equivalent statement to "the two things are probably correlated and if there's less air going in, there might be less liquid coming out"
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Except for the core concept which I'm sure you understand might be contested, nothing really.
Quickly reviewing your plan, it also seems like a reasonable attempt at science. If science happened, I would probably enjoy writing it, though no comment on how willing Asuma will be to do so.
Hazō expects that he's fine to say "Asuma warned me that a Shimura has shown up with a claim to our land. Asuma said that he would arrange for us to buy a new compound inside the walls and move everyone there. The exact price he's demanding ties into some classified topics that I can't discuss."
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If you don't see a difference between "instant and casual casual assertion that X is the cause" and "multi-step logical pathing that at least promotes X to be a possibility for consideration", then I don't know what to tell you.
That said, "it was a chakra construct" is still the most obvious answer for someone in Hazō's position. I haven't talked to the other QMs about this so maybe they disagree, but my expectation of where we're going to land is: If you want to write a plan that Does Science in hopes of building up enough foundation to get to the actual answer, cool. It's not going to be remotely as easy as you are blithely implying it will be. Putting this sort of thing together is the stuff of an arc, not an update.
But, like I said: I haven't spoken to the others. Maybe they'll say I'm being silly and that this really is as easy to put together as your posts are making me think you believe.
was asking for the player base's predictions/models actually. but confirmation that hazou doesn't have any additional context is good too.
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So...does Hazou think he's fine to say "Asuma is giving us restricted seals/ninjutsu, and offered to have Akane/Noburi apprenticed under Tsunade"?
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Probably not yet.
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TBH I suspect that the will won't exist until Asuma has a Tower scribe create it and that the Tower probably owes Shimura a favour, or he's in their pocket already and will just so happen to use the former Goketsu estate for Tower purposes.
Plan updates. The spirit is IMO intact but I needed to rework the wording and flow in many places to make wordcount.
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Suggestion: "...don't have that chance" instead of "never have that chance".
I also don't think we should "parallel Hidan's dice games"; Asuma might not appreciate the reminder of Hazou's past interactions with the Akatsuki given how tense things are.
I think this would look better if we separated obeying Asuma's orders into its own line, like:
- Go home. Brief the clan if possible. Offer Akane comfort and space.
- Obey Asuma's orders (incl. EM testing).
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I think 'never' hits harder, and the reality is that Joe Schmoe in a Mist fishing village is never, ever getting that chance.
Eeeh Asuma was pretty thrilled with how that interaction specifically went with Hidan, but it does get me some words back, so, fine.
I mean, his overall orders about shutting up/acting normal, but that, too. That said, I agree with your flow comments; I'll work on it.