Shika wanted us to enlist Asuma's aid. He didn't tell us to spill everything to him.
"At the very least, you must tell the Hokage the preconditions for the weapon's use. Whether it be a seal, a ninjutsu, a piece of forbidden lore, or a summoner ability or anything else, he needs to be able to monitor those in possession of it and implement countermeasures to prevent its spread.
Now admittedly telling Asuma that EM was the jutsu seems like the entire secret right there. I dunno how we could tell him that without Asuma learning how to replicate it. But Hazou at least thought he could, and originally planned to do so.
I'm happy to provide you with all the details you need in order to ensure that no force outside Leaf—or, for that matter, in Leaf—can obtain it, but I emphatically advise that you don't ask for more than that. The risks, both to Leaf and to the world, are too vast."
 
"I would be willing to share the Flame Aura and Firefly techniques," Akane said. "Firefly is from outside of Leaf and therefore should have value." She hesitated, biting her lip. "I...I think I would like to keep Elemental Mastery for myself." She looked away, clearly embarrassed. "It's the only thing I have that is unique."
But like imagine if she didn't, though.

Imagine that Akane gives up Elemental Mastery as part of Asuma's contest, and some time later Hazou reports to Asuma that Elemental Mastery, the technique that is spread to everyone in Leaf who bothered to pick it up, is a Armageddon-scale weapon the likes of which has yet to be seen outside of biju attacks.

Imagine Asuma realizing that some Leaf-nin probably got captured and tortured during the war, and one of them coughed up Elemental Mastery, the room-heating ninjutsu, to avoid pain and suffering.

Imagine Asuma realizing that even if he pressed the Armageddon Initiative button he wouldn't be able to stamp out everyone who knows about Elemental Mastery.

Imagine Asuma realizing that everything he knows and loves is balanced upon the razor's edge that is "does someone study Elemental Mastery to Armageddon-scale levels?".

Imagine Asuma looking at Hazou, the smug little shit who decided to poke at Elemental Mastery.
 
But like imagine if she didn't, though.

Imagine that Akane gives up Elemental Mastery as part of Asuma's contest, and some time later Hazou reports to Asuma that Elemental Mastery, the technique that is spread to everyone in Leaf who bothered to pick it up, is a Armageddon-scale weapon the likes of which has yet to be seen outside of biju attacks.

Imagine Asuma realizing that some Leaf-nin probably got captured and tortured during the war, and one of them coughed up Elemental Mastery, the room-heating ninjutsu, to avoid pain and suffering.

Imagine Asuma realizing that even if he pressed the Armageddon Initiative button he wouldn't be able to stamp out everyone who knows about Elemental Mastery.

Imagine Asuma realizing that everything he knows and loves is balanced upon the razor's edge that is "does someone study Elemental Mastery to Armageddon-scale levels?".

Imagine Asuma looking at Hazou, the smug little shit who decided to poke at Elemental Mastery.
I wonder if this is within room for a Declaration...?
 
Akane won't want to see our face right now, let alone receive comfort from us.
I have to make a suggestion to remove or edit this. As is, it is an assumption and a potentially harmful one, both to Akane and to her relationship with Hazo.

It MAY be entirely correct. But if it isn't, then it can be spun into some combination of abandonment and cowardice, and just make everything worse. Hazo should at the very minimum confirm this assumption through a third party rather than taking it for granted and acting accordingly.
 
I have to make a suggestion to remove or edit this. As is, it is an assumption and a potentially harmful one, both to Akane and to her relationship with Hazo.

It MAY be entirely correct. But if it isn't, then it can be spun into some combination of abandonment and cowardice, and just make everything worse. Hazo should at the very minimum confirm this assumption through a third party rather than taking it for granted and acting accordingly.
Agreed, ROTP is really overthinking this.

I strongly believe that Akane's not gonna be mad at us. She's gonna be mad at herself.
 
[] (Pilot: Failure) Hazou believes that this was a ninjutsu failure. He can honestly say that this wasn't the intended result, but will be disinclined to try it again.

[] (Pilot: Nuke) Hazou believes that this was a repeatable consequence of high-level Elemental Mastery. He will be willing to test EM again in the future, but cannot honestly say that this was just a testing failure.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Out of curiosity, how would Shikamaru and Asuma have acted if he believed it was a ninjutsu failure? Would there have been any meaningful changes in their responses?
 
Shikamaru beckoned Hazō onwards, to what ultimately became a stairway that led deep beneath the surface. Hazō was ever more relieved that he'd chosen to come as a shadow clone.

After more stairs than even a fit, well-conditioned chūnin should be forced to descend, they finally found themselves in a well-appointed room with walls of stone. Numerous braziers kept the worst of the unseasonable chill away (and raised all kinds of questions about ventilation) while bookshelves set well away from them were replete with tomes whose spines had numbers instead of titles.
One day this basement will be measured with ES. And added one bum step.
Seated behind the desk, Shikamaru opened the folder and browsed it for a few seconds. The cover read " ōketsu Hazō Invents a Superweapon that Threatens Leaf".

"How can I help you, Hazō?" Shikamaru asked.

"So you know how there is an enormous destructive anomaly off to the west?" Hazō asked.
Ah, prelude #16, how droll.
"The exact details, by which I mean the disaster out there now, are an accident, however. I never expected an event of this scale to happen. I had no idea it would reach so far or be so destructive."

Shikamaru nodded. He looked briefly down at the folder.
Check, yes check.
"There was a liquid that came out from the storm and froze all it touched, even the air, which became unbreathable. And when I say all it touched, I mean in a ten-to-twelve-mile radius. Maybe thirteen."

Shikamaru searched through the folder briskly. Hazō noticed a brief tremble in his hands, quickly quashed.
Uh oh. Limited preparation. Scenario folder survives this eventuality deemed unlikely.
"Shikamaru, I need your help. This needs to be kept absolutely secret, as much any secret that has ever been kept. Maybe more secret than that. I humbly ask you to do whatever you can to help me accomplish that."

Shikamaru looked down at the folder and then up again.
Nice. Skips many steps and it would have been much harder to proceed in case uncooperative.
Shikamaru put the folder down, considering.

"No," he said eventually. "I suspect my father could have. However, I doubt the Hokage will consent to be rendered powerless on my word while a storm capable of erasing Leaf from the map many times over rages outside his window."
Curious if this folder was started under his father... well, how many sheets of it.
I am not asking you to give me the weapon or teach me how to use it, but I need to know the answer to this question before we can proceed.
This reassurance did not last past Asuma.
"Could someone outside the Gōketsu use or recreate this weapon independently, without stealing or otherwise obtaining the prerequisites from you?"

Yes. Akane had pointed it out. Every Fire user in Isan knew Elemental Mastery. As soon as Isan started to trade ninjutsu with outsiders, it would be everywhere, because it was an incredibly convenient utility ninjutsu that was easy to learn and worked with minimal investment. Hazō, who had two utility ninjutsu he wished to push to their limits in order to see what happened, couldn't rule out that somebody out there (perhaps even an Isan ninja influenced by new ideas from the outside world) would attempt the same process. Admittedly, they'd probably die, but all it would take was "Hey, didn't Tarō say he was headed out to experiment with Elemental Mastery?" and word would spread like wildfire.
Without SC, overwhelming probability that the user destroys all in miles. There will not be one clean casualty to point to. It would catch more practice fields or research facilities. Would be interesting to cross check Nara history records for possible previous cases of events like this.
Madara's pulchritudinous orbs, it was worse.
Truly, his orbs were out of this world.
"Are you listening to yourself? You are telling me that you are incapable of preventing proliferation. If I have misunderstood, if you believe that the Gōketsu and the Nara can ensure that no one else uses or recreates this weapon, in perpetuity, without the resources and reach of the Hokage, then this is your chance to correct me."

Hazō did not correct him.
Disappoint.
I imagine that I will be involved in this endeavour somehow, but until the Hokage so commands, I would prefer not to be a potential vector, so I must ask you to tell me nothing further. For the same reason, I cannot accompany you to the meeting at which you will reveal the truth.
Shikamaru putting himself in the corner to get run around. This attitude leaves Asuma to do anything he wants to stop spread.
Shikamaru rose from his seat. "I suggest you head to the Tower without delay. That you chose to consult with me first, which I assume you did, was sensible but will not earn you any trust. The Hokage always preferred Chōji's frank admission of his mistakes to Ino's careful crafting of justifications."
Shorter delay if he did not wait for the SC to climb back up all those steps.
"Do you realise that my subordinates and I have been searching through the records to establish whether there were any teams on missions in that area when the phenomenon started? Scheduled patrols? Genin out training with their leaders? Leaf supply caches, secret facilities, other entities you might never be cleared to know about?"

Hazō had… not considered that possibility at all.
Sad.
"And if, for once, you'd acted like the Hokage and the Tower existed, I could have directed you to our censuses and our maps, and you would have been able to actually minimise the damage, instead of taking your best guess.

"Hazō, if you had come to me and sought permission before experimenting with blowing up chunks of my territory, I could have helped you choose a location that was both safe for our village's people and assets and reasonably hidden from prying eyes in a way that 'random spot in the wilderness' just isn't in an age when inter-clan and inter-village espionage is on the rise. I could have given you permission to proceed, in full knowledge of the risks, and then you and I would share culpability for whatever happened. Or I could have not. That is a Hokage's prerogative, as you apparently still haven't learned.

"Instead, you bear sole responsibility for everything that comes of this. The deaths of the civilians. The loss of associated income. Any secondary damage that thing out there causes. It's eating a thunderstorm, and drastic changes to the weather could impact harvests across the entire country, though Sage knows this cold snap is sending shivers down my spine even without you."
This is Asuma in sealing failure mode. He uses the leverage he thinks he has to tie us closer to institutions. Relief, as far as motives go. Bearing sole responsibility is a stretch. He could have done more to make us feel like true allies. Kept us at less of a distance. And none of the precautions they would have suggested would exceed ours.
Hazō swallowed. "Akane is the only one in Leaf who knows the technique as far as I know. I mean, there were Isan ninja in Leaf, briefly, so I can't rule out others, but it seems improbable. In Isan, it's ubiquitous, but no one knows it can be used this way—or if they do, no one's told me. In Leaf, only Akane and I know.

"There shouldn't have been any witnesses. There was no reason for anyone to follow us to the test site, and it's very unlikely that anyone could tell what we did and how just from observation. Nobody else knows."
This is the moment Asuma could have killed us to keep the secret to himself.
I am choosing to have faith in you.
The bullshit starts. Coming to him with this is us placing huge faith in him.
"In fact," Asuma went on, "I think I can see the logical next step. Tell me, Hazō, has Shimura contacted you yet?"

"No, sir." Hazō shook his head. "Which Shimura is supposed to contact me, and why?"
And the run around. Eat whatever small losses come from delegating the distractions sure to shortly come our way. Nothing more important to focus on than Asuma's choices with EM.
"That ninja is now dead, but their descendant has a lawful claim, and since it seems you do not in fact legally own the Shimura compound in which you've been living, you have none. You and the rest of the Gōketsu are going to have to move out in short order."
Is the descendant a shinobi? Mari needs to dig up all the dirt on this person to see how deep in Asuma's pocket they are. Many normal heirs would be happy to rent the land to us.
"Informally," Asuma said. "Formally, it will be a sale for some eye-watering amount of money, which, oddly, no one will be able to pin down. It wouldn't do to show favouritism in front of the other clans."
Weird how misplaced documents have a way of showing up again at the most unexpected time.
I will also need Akane to teach me the technique.
Asuma telling us to teach him EM is sign of respect. Easily could have gone behind our backs. A breeze to claim he was responsible for the first storm after he learns it. He can reason out how small a risk of proliferation we decided warranted going to him. Maybe he will think we were off balance from the level of devastation, the speed of events or not having Mari, but it could only help us to double down on projecting going to him being the right decision. He sees us as his loyal, little hound. Less troublesome than Naruto or Tsunade. Smart enough to come up with S-class tricks but too weak to protect them. Whether he has justification to full on take them or keep them in hands reach if the need arises.

Good writing. Will think about this chapter for a long time.
 
A polite request to not do this.
As a general rule, I think people should have the right to annoyingly and not-entirely-politely go "I told you so", especially if they in fact told others so, so as to make people painfully update towards listening to them the next time. Being unpleasant is a useful way to make a statement, and isn't inherently something that ought to be avoided in all possible social interactions.

Naturally, this norm I'm advocating is something that can be exploited by bad actors, who'd go out of their way to hurt people because they enjoy that in itself, and in these cases they should still be shut down. But I don't believe that's what @Veedrac is doing.
 
Manhattan Project: the most brilliant minds around and essentially unlimited funding, trying to see if theoretical physics can be made real in order to push the envelope of human limits.

Hazou: I wonder what happens if I crank the AC up way too high?
 
It's the beginning of the Intrigue or Kill Asuma saga.

[] Mr. Hokage, Please Blow Us Away
  • Mari Sanity Check.
  • Follow Asuma's orders.
  • Delegate distractions from the compound move. Accept there will be losses.
  • Asuma
    • As kage, he has no obligation to justify anything to us. How close does he stick to the dictator line? Does he drag his feet?
    • Will he spend a work day working through the implications of EM with us one on one?
      • What are his first thoughts?
      • How do they evolve?
    • OPSEC. Run his test. What would have turned out differently if we went through official channels?
      • How much damage would have been mitigated?
      • Try to keep positive political spin out of it.
      • Try to keep knowing the results ahead of time out of it.
    • Integrate with institutions. Find specific roles to fill. Remove last traces of being a Mist pariah.
    • Suggest you would be flattered to be invited to live some weeks in his compound during the housing transition.
      • Spend time with him man to man.
      • Flex sealing skills without showing off.
      • Reciprocate by hosting him in the new compound when it is ready.
      • OPSEC trade offs by spending so much time with our clan so soon after the storm, but can be mitigated if he is willing to put in the effort. And stem damage from any rumors about our clan causing the storm.
  • Mari
    • Cannot be a Polemarch repeat.
    • Behind the scenes, work on building a better understanding of the man under the hat.
    • Ply him with more secrets as necessary.
      • What secrets matter less in the face of an Asuma with EM?
  • Akane
    • Share progress. Stay resolved.
 
i think we should refuse akane being mindread, especially if she doesn't want to. could ask mari (without leaking nuke details to mari)
we've earned some points by telling asuma so much already.
mindreading a ninja is a big deal in ninja culture.
neither asuma or hazou want to publicly debate whether akane should be mindread. opsec. so if we refuse asuma would need to like kidnap akane to mindread her.
i don't trust the discreetness of asuma's yamanaka. she's a ninja. but if research into yamanaka discreetness shows they are trustworthy could change mind.
-subpoint. if yamanaka not trustworthy we leak foom. that hazou encouraged oro to aspire higher than jonin commander. that hazou purposefully contacted akatsuki (no doubt asuma already knew this, but i say this on the tiny chance that asuma still had a tiny doubt about it).
asuma is a weak hokage.
there's not much actually civilization ending critical info he can get from akane's head. his supposed reason is to make sure akane isn't secretly planning to nuke leaf, which i don't buy as an actual concern he has.
yamanaka mindreader becomes another opsec neak for nuke.
 
i think we should refuse akane being mindread, especially if she doesn't want to. could ask mari (without leaking nuke details to mari)
we've earned some points by telling asuma so much already.
mindreading a ninja is a big deal in ninja culture.
neither asuma or hazou want to publicly debate whether akane should be mindread. opsec. so if we refuse asuma would need to like kidnap akane to mindread her.
i don't trust the discreetness of asuma's yamanaka. she's a ninja. but if research into yamanaka discreetness shows they are trustworthy could change mind.
-subpoint. if yamanaka not trustworthy we leak foom. that hazou encouraged oro to aspire higher than jonin commander. that hazou purposefully contacted akatsuki (no doubt asuma already knew this, but i say this on the tiny chance that asuma still had a tiny doubt about it).
asuma is a weak hokage.
there's not much actually civilization ending critical info he can get from akane's head. his supposed reason is to make sure akane isn't secretly planning to nuke leaf, which i don't buy as an actual concern he has.
yamanaka mindreader becomes another opsec neak for nuke.
"She will need to be mind-scanned to confirm that she hasn't taught anyone Elemental Mastery," Asuma said as if it was obvious. "As you yourself said, the stakes are too high to take half-measures."

"Sir, I must protest. It would threaten clan secrets."

"My Yamanaka expert will be as discreet as physically possible," Asuma said. "But this isn't optional. You may have absolute faith in your girlfriend's word and memory, but I need to know that Leaf won't be wiped from the face of the earth because I trusted when I could have verified. I will also need Akane to teach me the technique."
 
I forgot about checking she hasn't taught anyone EM. that's a plausible concern for asuma to have.

We could also request ino do it. But I don't know if I trust ino more with Nuke secret than asuma's opsec specialist yamanaka
 
As a general rule, I think people should have the right to annoyingly and not-entirely-politely go "I told you so", especially if they in fact told others so, so as to make people painfully update towards listening to them the next time.
While I make no pretense that I haven't done this (see: preceding post), my intent of that post was not actually as an I-told-you-so. After all, I only think it would be fair to do that about explicit claims I made at the time they were actionable, not crossed out humor made after the fact.

This was more, 'oh lord it's the Pangolin genocide comment again', and if it's aimed at anyone other than myself, it's at the QMs to stop using my fear posts as writing prompts.

(Full disclosure: that last half of the last sentence is in jest. (Though I'd still appreciate it if they did.))



Also @Unaligned Player, I still have you blocked here. If there's something you need me to see, maybe PM me on Discord.
 
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The biggest surprise for me was Hazou pilot ignoring the plan and just caving to Asuma. If you had convinced me he would do this mighta helped. But as shika said we still needed Asuma to prevent Isan proliferation. And I dunno what you could have said to convince me Hazou pilot would do this.
Appreciated.

Yeah, this might have been hard for me because I didn't have a clear idea of how Shikamaru would act, and so couldn't have argued this scenario explicitly. But I'll think on this. Hopefully there's some meta-heuristic of mine I can correct somewhere.
 
Incidentally, if anyone is interested in the statistical data about the Zero-G event, they can PM me (here or on Discord), and get information about themselves (words posted vs. gs posted) + some summary information about the thread's average performance.
 
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