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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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cog-nito said:
With Akane's resolve stat being what it is, I'm not actually all that worried about the mindscan.

Remember that there weren't any Yamanaka Jonin left during the war.

So all in all I doubt that a Yamanaka who's mindreading stat is undoubtably lower then Akane's resolve capstone stat of 68 will be able to extract anything in the event they choose to act in bad faith.

At the very least I'd expect that if the Yamanaka tries to pull something, Akane will KNOW.
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Asuma said we'd all be scanned. Noburi's resolve isn't as high as everyone else who knows about FOOM, though he's also a step removed, not performing it himself. Worth mentioning to Mari, at least.

EDIT: For that matter maybe he could hide it mentally with a bigger bombshell, like the Jiraiya ritual/necromancy or something.
 
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Hey -- you guys wanna piss off Itachi and make friends with Sasuke? Offer to make a statue of his dad, with Sasuke's guidance on what it looks like.
 
YAMANAKA: Wow that sure was a lot of secrets

MARI, EYES GLOWING: Actually, no it wasn't

YAMANAKA: You're right, I don't remember seeing anything interesting whatsoever!
 
Shrooms said:
Asuma said we'd all be scanned. Noburi's resolve isn't as high as everyone else who knows about FOOM, though he's also a step removed, not performing it himself. Worth mentioning to Mari, at least.

EDIT: For that matter maybe he could hide it mentally with a bigger bombshell, like the Jiraiya ritual/necromancy or something.
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No he didn't, he only talked about mindscanning akane
 
Shrooms said:
Asuma said we'd all be scanned. Noburi's resolve isn't as high as everyone else who knows about FOOM, though he's also a step removed, not performing it himself. Worth mentioning to Mari, at least.

EDIT: For that matter maybe he could hide it mentally with a bigger bombshell, like the Jiraiya ritual/necromancy or something.
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Velorien said:
Now, the investigation team should be back soon, and I will need to start dealing with the aftermath of that"—Asuma waved towards the window—"to say nothing of all the other implications of your discovery. Send Akane to see me as soon as you get back to the Shimura compound."

"Sir?"

"She will need to be mind-scanned to confirm that she hasn't taught anyone Elemental Mastery," Asuma said as if it was obvious. "As you yourself said, the stakes are too high to take half-measures."

"Sir, I must protest. It would threaten clan secrets."

"My Yamanaka expert will be as discreet as physically possible," Asuma said. "But this isn't optional. You may have absolute faith in your girlfriend's word and memory, but I need to know that Leaf won't be wiped from the face of the earth because I trusted when I could have verified. I will also need Akane to teach me the technique."
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Well, this gone precisely as bad and as good as it could ever be.
Hopefully we can get acess to important stuff from it. If we are going to a cage we can make sure it's solid gold instead of gilded.
 
more possible disadvantages if ino is the one who mindscans akane:
if seeing all that treason makes her dislike hazou.
if familiarity with akana mind reduces her romantic feelings. people say familiarity does that i think.
if ino's romance is mostly fickle teenage hormones compared to stable long-term affection, which i think it is. would also make the above two more possible.
 
roobee said:
more possible disadvantages if ino is the one who mindscans akane:
if seeing all that treason makes her dislike hazou.
if familiarity with akana mind reduces her romantic feelings. people say familiarity does that i think.
if ino's romance is mostly fickle teenage hormones compared to stable long-term affection, which i think it is. would also make the above two more possible.
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No way in hell Asuma orders Ino to mindread Akane. Ino would have to literally be the only Yamanaka left.
 
because he doesn't trust ino as a potential opsec leak?
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if we marry ino first would reduce my concerns of ino's feelings changing
 
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the only reasonable justification asuma has for mindscanning akane. is to check whether she taught EM to anyone else. the mindscanner doesn't need uncompromised judgement for that.

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he may want to extract secrets from akane at the same time. but if we give him the former, and refuse the latter. i think we could keep the latter away from him.

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ok i guess it also depends on the specifics of how mindscanning works. if ino has an emotional aversion to reading akane's mind. it might cause her to be less thorough and miss an instance of akane teaching EM to someone.

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but edit2 is someone we could check at least to see if it's true.
 
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roobee said:
the only reasonable justification asuma has for mindscanning akane. is to check whether she taught EM to anyone else. the mindscanner doesn't need uncompromised judgement for that.

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he may want to extract secrets from akane at the same time. but if we give him the former, and refuse the latter. i think we could keep the latter away from him.
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He needs a Yamanaka who he can absolutely trust to get this information, not just in the context of OPSEC leakage but also in the context of him needing said Yamanaka to make absolutely 100% sure Akane didn't teach anyone EM. Ino is compromised due to being in a relationship with Akane and Hazou, and may not have the willpower to dig her metaphorical fingers into Akane's brain in order to make absolutely 100% sure Akane didn't teach anyone EM.
 
we could also ask for akane to be taught how to look into her own mind. but that's a longshot i don't expect to work
if the user needs to level the jutsu high enough in order for it to be thorough wouldn't work.
jutsu could be a clan secret. but that's less of an excuse if the yama would be learning our clan secrets anyway.
 
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roobee said:
we could also ask for akane to be taught how to look into her own mind. but that's a longshot i don't expect to work
if the user needs to level the jutsu high enough in order for it to be thorough wouldn't work.
jutsu could be a clan secret. but that's less of an excuse if the yama would be learning our clan secrets anyway.
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Ask for Akane to enter her own mind and self-report to Asuma. I'm sure nothing could go wrong from this request.

To be clear, such a technique would certainly be a Yamanaka Clan Secret, and half the reason Asuma is doing this is because he can't trust Akane to self-report (and also because he wants to know all the other shit we're up to).
 
Velorien said:
"In fact, this would be a good time to secure our other assets among the Gōketsu. Losing either Akane or Noburi would be a significant blow to Leaf's military capability. We need to make sure they're strong enough for whatever trials lie ahead. Do you think it would be worth me speaking to Tsunade to arrange some apprenticeships?"

"B-But doesn't she have plans to leave Leaf soon?"

"I'm sure she can be persuaded to reconsider when the village's security is at stake," Asuma said. "We all have to adapt to changing circumstances. On the same reasoning, I intend to have someone go through the Tower's restricted archives. There may be some superior seals or ninjutsu we can offer you to help ensure your safety in the future."

"S-Sir, I don't know what to say," Hazō said, the part of his brain that wasn't filled with pain instead filled with confusion, but not a bad kind of confusion.

"This isn't a bribe, Hazō," Asuma said. "This is an investment in your creative ability, and I will be expecting you to use that investment to the fullest for Leaf's benefit.
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"Did the Hazou Wackiness Table somehow glitch to give a 20% chance of rolling 100's?? We need to keep this child alive until we decide we need to kill him ourself."

"…again."
 
faflec said:
he can't trust Akane to self-report
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he doesn't trust her memory, which her using the jutsu might solve.
i don't think he is concerned about akane outright lying about it.

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word and memory
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hmm. word as well means lying i guess. i don't know if him not trusting akane's word is a reasonable justification if we can resolve the memory part.

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like if he doesn't trust akane. he knows that akane could just nuke leaf if she wanted. so leaf's continued existence means in some sense akane is trustworthy

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and akane knows that if she lies about teaching EM. that could cause leaf and civilization to be nuked.

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if akane marries ino could get dual clan membership and be taught clan secrets.
 
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roobee said:
he doesn't trust her memory, which her using the jutsu might solve.
i don't think he is concerned about akane outright lying about it.
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If Asuma doesn't realize Akane is mentally compromised just by looking at her we're all fucked beyond belief and I will be voting to EM Nuke Leaf until Asuma is dead or we are.

Assuming Akane did teach EM to some other member of the clan (or literally anyone else) Asuma would use them as the backup for EM nukes, and Akane would have to contend with the fact that not only is she a walking nuclear weapon that has and will kill hundreds of people on orders, but she also has allowed someone else, who she presumably trusts and cares about, to be the same.

Of course she is compromised on this. She may not outright lie but she's not going to try as hard as she can to remember, or to use this hypothetical jutsu the Yamanaka Clan would definitely not want to give her for Clan Secret reasons when they can just use a mindread on her which is way less OPSEC-breaching for them.
 
faflec said:
Akane would have to contend with the fact that not only is she a walking nuclear weapon that's killed hundreds of people on orders, but she also has allowed someone else, who she presumably trusts and cares about, to be the same.

Of course she is compromised on this. She may not outright lie but she's not going to try as hard as she can to remember
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Note: that remember means thoroughness with which she uses the jutsu.
I don't think it likely that Akane would be less thorough for the emotional reasons you described. Especially because I don't think it would actually help her loved ones for her to do that.
But even if i don't think that example compromise path is likely, you did give me doubt at least. And doubt would be enough for Asuma at these stakes.
 
MadScientist said:
"Did the Hazou Wackiness Table somehow glitch to give a 20% chance of rolling 100's?? We need to keep this child alive until we decide we need to kill him ourself."

"…again."
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Asuma: "You just killed several hundred civilians, costing Leaf a chunk of tax money... also morality reasons. Why do I allow you live?"

Hazou: "Skywalkers, Skygliders, Skyslicers, Food Bank, Noburi Roads, Clanless Chunnin Exams, GED, Till'n'Fills, EM Nuke, and more."

Asuma: "Oh right. Golden Goose. Bit of a treason habit, but we'll tie your family closer to Leaf (move you into Leaf-proper, hook your siblings up with apprenticeships to a loyal S-ranker) to try and curb that bad habit."
 
well when we tell akane to get mindread. I think it could be helpful to tell her the alternatives we thought of and the reasons we didn't go with them. Both to show her the necessity of it, that actually no there is no other way we tried. And on the off chance that she can think of an alternative that actually works.
 
Voting is closed.

I'm covering this week instead of @eaglejarl. I'm going to write a short update in the next few hours covering a few more of Hazou's forced actions in the aftermath of the EM-nuke. After that, I'll open up voting till Monday morning, when I'll be writing the full chapter for this weekend, likely still related to the fallout of the nuke event.
 
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