By giving the ninja you're sacrificing the wrong information.
How would he even get incorrect information on clans and abilities and such? He's consort to the kage and grew up in Rock his whole life. This would be like Hazou being tricked into thinking the Hyuuga didn't have Byakugan or something. Or more accurately, like an important Leaf native like Ino being tricked into being wrong about all the clans. That would require like... years of prep. Very implausible imo
 
How would he even get incorrect information on clans and abilities and such? He's consort to the kage and grew up in Rock his whole life. This would be like Hazou being tricked into thinking the Hyuuga didn't have Byakugan or something. Or more accurately, like an important Leaf native like Ino being tricked into being wrong about all the clans. That would require like... years of prep. Very implausible imo
Less implausible if he was an oblivious idiot who was given plausible-sounding but ultimately untrue information on the details of the enemy the same way we gave out information on our abilities during the Chunin Exams and for that matter how do we know he's the actual official consort instead of merely thinking he is
 
Less implausible if he was an oblivious idiot who was given plausible-sounding but ultimately untrue information on the details of the enemy the same way we gave out information on our abilities during the Chunin Exams and for that matter how do we know he's the actual official consort instead of merely thinking he is
It seems extraordinarily implausible to me that he could reach jonin if he were that oblivious. Plus we don't even know who half the Rock clans are, so they would still be giving us information. Also, how would he be tricked into thinking he's the consort of the kage? This is some Truman show-tier conspiracy for imo marginal gain compared to the scope of the conspiracy. How long in advance would they have needed to start preparing this?
 
[X] Action Plan: Dog Ideas

1) (can be off-screened) Tell Mari and Noburi about how Akane is feeling, get advice and discuss how you're planning to bring up (directly and indirectly) at dinner tonight about how she's loved, how war sucks and makes people do terrible things, but that the longterm goal of uplift is to lift up the global standards for everyone making war unnecessary - so people don't need to die anymore, whether Leaf ninja like Haru's teammate, or Rock civilians. That this war, while terrible, is now necessary to reach that goal because of Rock's interference, and anything that helps end it even a little faster is a good thing for that reason, since it will help uplift and therefore help everyone, including the Clan, Leaf, and all of Fire who are the victims of a war of aggression.

2) Have said dinner.

For what it's worth, I'll note that our friendly neighborhood Eagle liked this plan.

Which is not an an endorsement of its substance or a promise it won't end in tragedy, but what I'm taking to be an encouragement as to the form.

Also since when are we "patrolling borders" between Fang and Rock?

Have we considered that Asuma may be aware (especially since I'm sure they debriefed him directly and there's zero chance Akane was able to disguise her feelings in front of him) and that this is really a "relaxing" mission? One deemed low risk, but still necessary, so they don't feel like they're being benched but still gives them an opportunity to relax and recuperate and get their heads on straight before their next more dangerous mission.
 
Have we considered that Asuma may be aware (especially since I'm sure they debriefed him directly and there's zero chance Akane was able to disguise her feelings in front of him) and that this is really a "relaxing" mission? One deemed low risk, but still necessary, so they don't feel like they're being benched but still gives them an opportunity to relax and recuperate and get their heads on straight before their next more dangerous mission.
Akane's patrol mission was scheduled before she left to get Shirogane, I thought, Asuma wouldn't have known she'd get so traumatized in advance.

Unless...
 
Akane's patrol mission was scheduled before she left to get Shirogane, I thought, Asuma wouldn't have known she'd get so traumatized in advance.

Unless...
Maybe they intentionally cycle people between scorch squad missions and recuperation ones, so that ninja have time to piece their souls back together without endangering an important mission?

Less implausible if he was an oblivious idiot who was given plausible-sounding but ultimately untrue information on the details of the enemy the same way we gave out information on our abilities during the Chunin Exams and for that matter how do we know he's the actual official consort instead of merely thinking he is
Turns out Shirogane was an incel…
 
Sorry for the double post, but I had a concerning thought about this:

Over the past couple of weeks, Asuma has started ordering a lot of scorch squad missions. Shikamaru thinks that some of them have been of marginal military utility but Asuma has been firm about it without offering any explanation.

@eaglejarl and @Velorien what are the overall civilian population estimates in Rock and Leaf?

My concern is that Hazou explained to Asuma the beneficial long-term effects of a high civilian population in that there end up being more ninja in subsequent populations as a percentage of the whole.

From the perspective of a fraught dictator who was losing the war, a war that began by trying to take over arable Leaf land, why not take the opportunity to win next generation's war by preventing those potential Rock ninja from ever being born by killing their potential civilian progenitors and reduce their agricultural needs by forcing on them a smaller population? Not with a scalpel, but with brute force and large scale murder to play the probability.
 
Leaf has lost 12 jōnin
Anyone we know among the twelve?
Over the past couple of weeks, Asuma has started ordering a lot of scorch squad missions. Shikamaru thinks that some of them have been of marginal military utility but Asuma has been firm about it without offering any explanation.
Has Rock answered with their own scorch squads of similar amount? Did they burn any Fire towns in comparable size to the ones Asuma had burned on his command?
 
Also commentary to @eaglejarl @Velorien Didn't the previous plan get sanity-checked with Mari? How has she responded?
She gave similar advice – there's no silver bullet, everyone needs to be there for Akane but not press too hard.

So this is just a basic patrol mission, right?
After Akane and Yuno's earlier, pre-Shirogane mission obtained useful intelligence on Rock's southern defences, Akane and Yuno are heading to the Rock-Fang border as part of a larger team with Inuzuka and Aburame chūnin trackers and a Nara genin analyst in order to locate and wipe out a series of less-defended border outposts and seize any intelligence they possess.
I'd prefer if we wouldn't suggest Hazō since that would keep us off the scroll hunt. But that's strictly down to personal preference
The scroll hunt team left some time ago and aren't due back for another two weeks. No one that you know by name was on it.
 
After Akane and Yuno's earlier, pre-Shirogane mission obtained useful intelligence on Rock's southern defences, Akane and Yuno are heading to the Rock-Fang border as part of a larger team with Inuzuka and Aburame chūnin trackers and a Nara genin analyst in order to locate and wipe out a series of less-defended border outposts and seize any intelligence they possess.
[X] Armageddon Initiative
 
If we would have just been more proactive we could have been grabbing a scroll for Akane instead of potentially risking our lives because of her depression
So far as I can see, we're stuck with the status quo. I'm not actually sure if this is to the players' advantage or not -- choosing your missions allows you to control the types of threats you will typically run into and forces the QMs to allocate most of our energy to figuring out what is happening with the mission, thereby leaving us less energy to figure out what unexpected event will come down the pipe based on geopolitics. Again, that's not me saying that we will deliberately kaiju you unless you do missions, it's me being frank about the fact that you can exploit the QMs' limited spoons.
 
If we would have just been more proactive we could have been grabbing a scroll for Akane instead of potentially risking our lives because of her depression
Oneiros, you have stated many times in the past that you do not care to help maintain the sanity of our clan at all and are a hedonist, that means little coming from you.
 
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Oneiros, you have stated many times in the past that you do not care to help maintain the sanity of our clan at all and are a hedonist, that means little coming from you.
Literally what the fuck are you talking about? I don't like to play mental health quest because it puts my own mental health at risk. The entire point of the post is that if we proactively do things kajui are much less likely to appear. So if we would have been hunting the scroll with Akane we could have avoided having her begin to spiral
 
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Literally what the fuck are you talking about? I don't like to play mental health quest because it puts my own mental health at risk. The entire point of the post is that if we proactively do things kajui are much more likely to appear. So if we would have been hunting the scroll with Akane we could have avoided having her begin to spiral
We don't know whether or not that's actually true and 'if only we'd done what I suggested all would be well' is rarely helpful.

I agree that the characterization that you don't care about the mental health of the characters is, at best, not generous.

This discussion does not seem like a productive use of time on anyone's part. After action analysis of failures is useful but we have no evidence IMO that this constitutes a failure in any sense. It's possible that the mission leader would have ordered Akane to burn a neutral village as a distraction during the scroll hunt and we'd be in the same spot. Akane was almost certainly going to break at some point. It's inconvenient that it happened now but we need to play the hand we've been dealt.
 
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We don't know whether or not that's actually true and 'if only we'd done what I suggested all would be well' is rarely helpful.

I agree that the characterization that you don't care about the mental health of the characters is, at best, not generous.

This discussion does not seem like a productive use of time on anyone's part. After action analysis of failures is useful but we have no evidence IMO that this constitutes a failure in any sense. It's possible that the mission leader would have ordered Akane to burn a neutral village as a distraction during the scroll hunt and we'd be in the same spot. Akane was almost certainly going to break at some point. It's inconvenient that it happened now but we need to play the hand we've been dealt.
The point isn't if we did what I suggested all would be well. The point is we have been told by EJ that doing proactive things reduce the risk of a Kajiu coming up. We could have done anything proactive and decreased the odds of Akane having a mental break. We have to deal with this know and that's fine. I just want us to realize that in the future we can increase the odd of avoiding stuff like this by doing proactive things.
 
The point isn't if we did what I suggested all would be well. The point is we have been told by EJ that doing proactive things reduce the risk of a Kajiu coming up. We could have done anything proactive and decreased the odds of Akane having a mental break. We have to deal with this know and that's fine. I just want us to realize that in the future we can increase the odd of avoiding stuff like this by doing proactive things.
I disagree that we could have reduced the odds that Akane was going to have a mental break. I think that our path to godhood is long enough that the realities of the shinobi world are harsh enough that she inevitably would have been ordered to commit a war crime before we changed the world to the point where that doesn't happen.

I don't view what happened here as a kaiju. We might fundamentally disagree.

What, specifically, is the 'stuff like this' you think we can avoid?
 
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That's totally fair. All mental health things are inherently a kaiju for me cause personal issues
To perhaps clarify, what I mean is that I don't think that this mission was something that happened because the QMs had a surplus of bandwidth that we could have absorbed with other things. I'm using kaiju as a stand in for 'upsetting thing that happens seemingly out of the blue due to things happening offscreen that we may or may not have been aware of'.

I don't really think that's true of the war with Rock either, but I'm less confident in that.
 
...Alright, this might be a bit paranoid, but.

I think this is bait. A jounin wandering off in a civvie town for "vacation" during a war, with just a couple chuunin for company? They intend to bait us in to attack them, counterambush, and while that's going on, Cloud will hit us.
If we didn't see the fight from the Rock Jōnins point of view I'd agree with you, but unless the Tsuchikage successfully kept the information hidden from their lover I don't think it's accurate. Plus at that point wouldn't they not send the Chūnin, since they're planning on losing the fight anyways?
 
The point is we have been told by EJ that doing proactive things reduce the risk of a Kajiu coming up.
I must stress that when the QMs expressed the concept you are referring to, they coached it in the softest possible terms. This framing is extremely different to the point of being (unintentionally) misleading.

To anyone watching who doesn't remember what the QMs exactly said, they expressed that they do not intentionally change any part of their simulation in response to things like this, but they have only so much time to discuss things between each update and when we're embroiled in a plot arc they're more likely to be discussing that than whether one of the timers across the world has finally ticked to zero. In practice this manifests as crises sometimes not piling up on top of each other, but it is a subtle inconsistent thing and not meant to be a hard rule to begin with.

Also noteworthy is that this doesn't stop any kaiju from showing up, it just delays them ever so slightly. No QM has at any point told us that they clear obstacles out of our way if we're busy or put more in our way if we're not. Every kaiju will hit us sooner or later, there is just some slight subtle variance in when based on how much QM-discussion-time we're consuming with current events.

With respect to this specific topic, I believe Akane's situation was essentially unavoidable. Her and Yuno make a good enough team that it's very likely that they would've gotten at least one scorch squad mission like this before the end of the war (note how scorch-happy Asuma seems to be right now), which makes it a question of 'when', not 'if' she has this crisis of conscience. And now's not the worst time for it, since we're not really busy tackling any other major problems at the same time.
 
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