In no particular order:

  1. Over the past couple of weeks, Asuma has started ordering a lot of scorch squad missions. Shikamaru thinks that some of them have been of marginal military utility but Asuma has been firm about it without offering any explanation.
  2. After the Orochimaru massacre, Cloud drew back for about ten days and then started plinking around the edges again. They recently stopped and have been holding position outside of Leaf's borders.
  3. Leaf has lost 12 jōnin (some of them special jōnin), three dozen chūnin, and well over a hundred genin.
  4. Losses on Rock's side have been similar, perhaps a bit less.
  5. Given that Leaf started the war with 21 jōnin and Rock started with (best guess) 150-200% of that, Leaf was originally on a sure track to defeat. Mist and Isan reinforcements have evened the odds if not better, but Rock has continued to hold the initiative. Fortunately…
  6. It turns out that Shirogane was the consort of Rock's Kage. The Yamanaka and T&I experts have been peeling his brain like a grape and getting a priceless trove of military data from it. Among the data obtained so far are the locations of multiple unit positions, including half a dozen jōnin (who also hold valuable information) and general outlines of their abilities. Asuma is deploying three separate strike forces, one of them being "Orochimaru, plus two chūnin to deal with standing guard at night and any chaff during the battle." There is an excellent chance to decisively turn the tide of the war.

It would be interesting to know how much of an impact the Zoo Rushes had on this result.

  1. Over the past couple of weeks, Asuma has started ordering a lot of scorch squad missions. Shikamaru thinks that some of them have been of marginal military utility but Asuma has been firm about it without offering any explanation.

Did...did something happen to Kurenai?
 
You mean in character, or out of character? In character a couple years is the length of the quest. Out of character, during that time we've gotten educational reform, built a mini-settlement for all who needed a home (and stopped a ton of people from dying), helped with concubine laws, started undermining the Hags from within with the power of support and friendship, started a healthy* poly relationship, etc. I am sorry if these are not things that are the flavor of win that you like, but they are wins I view as meaningful.

And some of our excursions have yielded no meaningful results as well. I'm just saying it isn't a "village bad, expedition good" dynamic. I'm all for going out when it's worthwhile, but I personally at least have been pretty solid on my stance of "any potential shiny needs to outweigh the seemingly double digit chance that all of this reality collapses if Hazou dies and doesn't fix the great seal.

If you don't the stuff we've been doing in the village boring, that's fine. I'm sorry that's the case. But some of us find it enjoyable, and we have been working towards important goals.

Because unless you have something that matters anything close to as much as the great seal, I can't really support leaving it. I honestly would bet that the QMs have a couple timers going "at this point the dragons get too tough to take out with any of these strategies" "at this point, it's damaged enough that these good outcomes are past" etc. If that isn't the case, we're very lucky. But not that we can actually research and Earthshaping to the best of our abilities, that's what we should be putting time into. Taking time to help Akane? Sure, I'm all for it. Getting out of the village just to get out? Sorry, but that's a no from me.

I mean all of this is fine but it doesn't at all address my point. I don't find any of them an intriguing reason to stay in the village. I was trying to see if you could offer anything that would convince me to support not offering to go on a mission. If all you can say is that we should spend xp and grind research I'm not interested. Plus we don't even treat the great seal project like it's important at all. We've have had over an half a year IRL on it and have done one thing that's relevant. Taking time to do things won't meaningfully reduce the amount of work on dealing with it because it's effectively at zero right now. But you can still convince me to support staying in village if you can suggest meaningful things to do
 
Over the past couple of weeks, Asuma has started ordering a lot of scorch squad missions. Shikamaru thinks that some of them have been of marginal military utility but Asuma has been firm about it without offering any explanation.

This is definitely a bit concerning I think (as others have mentioned). Might be a good idea to feel out people who are close to Asuma, try to figure out what is going on here, if its out of character at all or anything. I know we arent really on the up with Naruto, but maybe we could ask Kei to bring it up to him? He seems likely to be one of the closer people to Asuma that we have relatively easy access to? Shikamaru might be good too, but Im slightly concerned he might be too close to the situation, too tired, or too busy looking at things through a tactical lens to speak too much to how out of sorts Asuma is.
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien
Do we know if someone important was amongs the Jounin casualties?
You mean a named character, presumably?

Here's bomb's relevant and useful post...........

Konoha Jōnin Population

Likely knowledgeable and able to pass on techniques.
Might not know the clan's high-level techniques or belongs to a clan that is new and likely has no high-level techniques.
Belongs to a clan that does has already been devestated.

Jōnin
Specialization
Clan
Not Deployable?
Notes
Asuma Sarutobi​
Hokage​
Sarutobi
X
Active Hokages are not field deployable.
Orochimaru​
Yes​
~~~​
Tsunade Senju​
Yes​
Senju
Naruto Uzumaki​
Yes​
Uzumaki
Might not be Jōnin rank.
Mari Gōketsu​
Social, I&S​
Gōketsu
Ritsuo Hagoromo​
???​
Hagoromo
Motokazu Hyūga​
Examination​
Hyūga
Kurenai Yūhi​
Genjutsu​
~~~​
Chōza Akimichi​
Heavy Combat​
Akimichi
Ruri Kei​
Genearlist​
Kei
Condor Summoner
Aika Minami​
???​
Minami
Porcupine Summoner
Kabuto Yakushi​
Medical​
~~~​
Kanata Kei​
???​
Kei
Suguru Kei​
???​
Kei
??? Nara​
???​
Nara
Experience level unknown.
??? Yamanaka​
???​
Yamanaka
Experience level unknown.
???​
???​
???​
Agent Snake​
???​
???​
???​
Confirmed alive recently. May be the Yamanaka or Nara jōnin.

Special Jōnin:
Yuno Gōketsu, Anko Kei, Ebisu Kei.

16/21 jōnin accounted for
5 clans have at least one jōnin who likely knows and can pass on high-level techniques


@faflec, is there any other jōnin we have seen or heard about. Also, is there a list of all the important clans in Leaf somewhere?

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[X] Training Plan: Baby Sage Noburi
Physique 29 -> 30
Uses 25 pangolin xp and 5 regular xp, 372 remaining.
Chakra Capacity 26 -> 30
54 + 56 + 58 + 60 = 228 xp
144 xp remaining.

For those who don't know, Ma and Pa, the Toad sages, have hinted to Noburi that he needs 30 Chakra Capacity and Physique before they'll begin teaching him sage mode. Increased chakra capacity helps Noburi with zoo/SC rushes. 5 xp for physique seems like a more than worthwhile price to pay to try and take the next step towards Sage mode.
 
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I mean all of this is fine but it doesn't at all address my point. I don't find any of them an intriguing reason to stay in the village. I was trying to see if you could offer anything that would convince me to support not offering to go on a mission. If all you can say is that we should spend xp and grind research I'm not interested. Plus we don't even treat the great seal project like it's important at all. We've have had over an half a year IRL on it and have done one thing that's relevant. Taking time to do things won't meaningfully reduce the amount of work on dealing with it because it's effectively at zero right now. But you can still convince me to support staying in village if you can suggest meaningful things to do

Trying to become Asuma's voice of reason? But I'm not sure I will be about to convince you, because of different desired goals here. But that's fine, the quest is better off for different perspectives.

And I completely agree, we aren't doing enough to address the great seal. I've been struggling advocating to do more. I unfortunately just don't have the time, spoons, or schedule to plan-make for that cause, which is unfortunate. But we are at least making (Very) slow progress on it. But it it why I want to get effective sealing and earth shaping up to 50 ASAP. And I do agree that if Hazou goes into the field, he'll need investment for survival. And that investment comes from the same source as what we could put towards great sealing.
 
[X] Training Plan: Baby Sage Noburi
Physique 29 -> 30
Uses 25 pangolin xp and 5 regular xp, 372 remaining.
Chakra Capacity 26 -> 30
54 + 56 + 58 + 60 = 228 xp
144 xp remaining.

For those who don't know, Ma and Pa, the Toad sages, have hinted to Noburi that he needs 30 Chakra Capacity and Physique before they'll begin teaching him sage mode. Increased chakra capacity helps Noburi with zoo/SC rushes. 5 xp for physique seems like a more than worthwhile price to pay to try and take the next step towards Sage mode.

Can we first ask Ma and Pa if Noburi's chakra system would be a problem for Sage mode?
 
think this covers all the bases. not word count optimized and with room to expand if need be

[X] Action Plan: Damage Control
Word Count: 266
  • Mari
    • Akane is distraught after her last mission. Her self image has been shattered, and Hazou is concerned she may be feeling suicidal from guilt.
      • You've brought people back from the brink before. Akane needs that right now. Will you help her?
    • She's also considering leaving the clan, feeling that her sins make her unworthy of being with Uplift.
    • She may need to discover some of these things for herself, but Mari can help guide her. Hazou knows it.
    • Hazou will be filling Ino in right after this. He can ask about Mari collaborating with the Yamanaka therapists.
      • Additionally, Hazou will be asking Asuma to take her off her upcoming missions. If Hazou needs to take her place, Mari and Noburi may need to run the clan.
  • Ino
    • Your clanmate likely filled you in on the mission already, but Akane seems to be facing a crisis of faith, and/or a crisis of identity.
    • She believes herself unworthy of being in Goketsu and may be suicidal. She desperately needs support, and seems ashamed to be around Hazou.
    • Ino, Akane, and Hazou are a team now. Hazou knows Ino will do what she can to help.
    • Express appropriate concern and affection for Ino as well, not just for Akane. Her wellbeing is important too.
  • Asuma
    • Akane has battle shock and is potentially contemplating suicide. Hazou is concerned deploying her on a mission will result in her allowing herself to be killed.
    • Is there any way her mission can be postponed, or canceled?
      • If necessary, another Goketsu could take her place. Hazou, if it comes down to it.
    • Is there an estimated date for the Scroll Hunt to begin? If it's within the next couple weeks Akane should likely be removed from consideration for the mission.
I feel like the last section of the plan needs a line like "Optimize conversation with Mari beforehand, do not imply that the Goketsu will refuse orders" since I could easily see that being Asuma's takeaway.
 
[X] Training Plan: Baby Sage Noburi

The Pyramid does support it, and we should start spending stuff because that is a lot to sit on.

And it does free up a 10-19 skill to move up. Though we'll need more base skills higher. @Paperclipped Thoughts on this with Noburi's master plan?

Edit: we need to start spending Kei XP as well.
 
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For those who don't know, Ma and Pa, the Toad sages, have hinted to Noburi that he needs 30 Chakra Capacity and Physique before they'll begin teaching him sage mode. Increased chakra capacity helps Noburi with zoo/SC rushes. 5 xp for physique seems like a more than worthwhile price to pay to try and take the next step towards Sage mode.
Can you point out this hint? To the best of my knowledge I don't think specific numbers were ever hinted.
 
"Don't you tell me to shut my yap, you old biddy! Obviously he's not ready! Look at that!" He reached over and poked Noburi in the arm, then in the ribs. Noburi eeped and jerked away. "Barely any muscles on him! I made sure that Jiraiya-boy had chakra for days and was built like a brick before I taught him the first little thing, but I still had to whack him most days! If I tried to teach this one he'd be a statue before you could croak out half a snarky word

[X] Training Plan: Baby Sage Noburi

For the record, I don't think Ma and Pa said anything about Physique or CR 30 specifically.

Not specifically, but they did hint it, in my opinion.
 
[X] Training Plan: Baby Sage Noburi

The Pyramid does support it, and we should start spending stuff because that is a lot to sit on.

And it does free up a 10-19 skill to move up. Though we'll need more base skills higher. @Paperclipped Thoughts on this with Noburi's master plan?
I would suggest his medical skills (both in the 10s) replacing the two 20s.
As for what the new 10s should be, we can just level up random jutsu or something.
 
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People also believed we need 300+ CP to use Shadow clones because Jiraiya said "Kei's biggest pangolin but double".

We have no idea if the Toads are referencing CP, Physique, total XP, a combination or something else.

Also, @Shrooms asking Asuma to take off strong ninja from a mission when he is in such a murder mood is not a good idea, we have asked him already for support for too many things, including the latest summoning scroll.
 
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Also, @Shrooms asking Asuma to take off strong ninja from a mission when he is in such a murder mood is not a good idea, we have asked him already for support for to many things, including the last summoning scroll.
*PUTS ON NINJAS ARE TOOLS HAT*: It's actually an excellent idea if he doesn't want the mission to get fucked up by a defective meatsack, because we are informing him ahead of time of likely failure and offering to substitute with an inferior but fully functional cog

More seriously: Goketsu (and Yamanaka) just got him a fucking treasure trove of potentially war-winning information. I don't think "hey can Akane not go on this border patrol gig" is that big of a deal by comparison, especially when we are offering to fill in for her with another of our own ninja.

Plus Yuno is still going and she is the stronger of the two

If they both are to replace, which I support character-wise, we need to raise two skills to 10-19. Examination and ghost scales, would be my suggestions.
Yeah that seems fine. As Noburi's columns expand we're going to need a bunch of random 10s so might as well start now haha
 
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*PUTS ON NINJAS ARE TOOLS HAT*: It's actually an excellent idea if he doesn't want the mission to get fucked up by a defective meatsack, because we are informing him ahead of time of likely failure and offering to substitute with an inferior but fully functional cog

More seriously: Goketsu (and Yamanaka) just got him a fucking treasure trove of potentially war-winning information. I don't think "hey can Akane not go on this border patrol gig" is that big of a deal by comparison, especially when we are offering to fill in for her with another of our own ninja.

You mean a man who is asking for pure destrcution in another country will calm down now? After we tried to keep Mari back, asked him for help with Orochimaru and then still got the Arachnid scroll?

Also since when are we "patrolling borders" between Fang and Rock?

If 12 jonin died then we can't just switch people out right now.

In general @_The_Bomb 's list are missing:
Inuzuka Gaku, jōnin of the Inuzuka Clan
Kazusa Minori, jōnin

-> Kei Minori
and

"Kei Hayate." The swordsman looked hopelessly sleep-deprived, but stood firm. Hazō suspected he was deliberately radiating professionalism to cancel out the grinning Anko next to him.

"Kei Yūgao." Despite the distinctive purple hair, Hazō was drawing a blank on the woman.

"Kei Raidō." Hazō had a vague awareness of seeing the man more than a few times on his visits to the Tower. Right now, he looked on high alert, seemingly scanning the area for threats despite the fact that it currently held what might have been the highest concentration of Leaf ninja anywhere ever.

Those were special jonin or ANBU in canon.
 
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Current plan for Snowflake is to get to Resolve 60 to make room for Shadow Clone 50.
[X] Training Kei: Snowflake Progress
Resolve 53 -> 56 (144XP + 21 YSJ XP)
Save 131XP

(We could buy 2 more levels of Resolve but it doesn't advance FOOM any or get Snowflake closer to more free time any faster, so not much point)
CR 30 + Substitution 20 (for pyramid support) is required before Kei can get any benefit from more Resolve.
 
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You mean a man who is asking for pure destrcution in another country will calm down now?
Yes actually, if the performance of the person he is sending puts the mission at risk and if he doesn't want to alienate one of his strongest clans at the moment for very little gain on a border patrol mission. You are making him sound insanely irrational when at his angriest moment in the entire story multiple people pointed out how he was being dumb and he adjusted his reasoning essentially immediately. Even from a DESTROY ROCK perspective this move just doesn't make sense. Akane is literally a liability right now, to herself and to Yuno.

Also since when are we "patrolling borders" between Fang and Rock?
Since Akane and Yuno got a mission to "head up the border" for a week, or before that.

If 12 jonin died then we can't just switch people out right now.
Akane isn't a jounin and Yuno is still going.
 
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