Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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This would make me want to do this even less :/
Especially since you already know when something bad happens we're going to want to put out the fire ourselves
Something I've been meaning to point out for a while:
Guy meets girl. Guy fights to the edge of death for girl. Guy forces the most dangerous man on the entire planet to almost murder him and and his entire family trying to protect girl from somebody he figured out how to prove was a snake getting away with more treachery then he has ever even been accused of by exploring a combination of a binding formal pardon and threatening to burn to basement of the worst monster to ever exist. Guy pulls a miracle off and gets her not only readopted by her home country, but have her whole "treason" thing legally and officially nullified. Guy treats her family with polite respect before ensuring that they would never need to go hungry again. Guy then adopts girl into a life of privilege. Guy then needs to go burn half a continent of angry cats and marrie a twenty-ton alien spider from another dimension as part of an attempt to cripple himself combating monsters from beyond time and space to save the entire universe and trusts girl to have his back and fill in while he is away.
Girl promptly drops the ball and allows serial murder to happen on her watch, then decides to throw a tantrum and scream at guy for being slightly preoccupied with matters other than covering her ass from her own mistakes.
Yeah, I know a toxic relationship when I smell it.
Guy meets girl. Guy fights to the edge of death for girl. Guy forces the most dangerous man on the entire planet to almost murder him and and his entire family trying to protect girl from somebody he figured out how to prove was a snake getting away with more treachery then he has ever even been accused of by exploring a combination of a binding formal pardon and threatening to burn to basement of the worst monster to ever exist. Guy pulls a miracle off and gets her not only readopted by her home country, but have her whole "treason" thing legally and officially nullified. Guy treats her family with polite respect before ensuring that they would never need to go hungry again. Guy then adopts girl into a life of privilege. Guy then needs to go burn half a continent of angry cats and marrie a twenty-ton alien spider from another dimension as part of an attempt to cripple himself combating monsters from beyond time and space to save the entire universe and trusts girl to have his back and fill in while he is away.
Girl promptly drops the ball and allows serial murder to happen on her watch, then decides to throw a tantrum and scream at guy for being slightly preoccupied with matters other than covering her ass from her own mistakes.
Yeah, I know a toxic relationship when I smell it.
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Note that Haru started killing people before Akane took over. And I'm pretty sure she feels like shit for the ones that did happen on her watch happening on her watch.
Did I love her reaction? Nah, I voiced that I found it pretty frustrating the day it happened. But expecting a perfect response to a situation like that is just as unreasonable as expecting Hazou to perfectly understand Akane's POV. It's where we go from here that demonstrates the quality of the relationship, and thus far Akane has been pretty reasonable.
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If we're going to throw the word 'toxic' out, we need to start with the idea that Akane owes Hazo anything for him having done any of that. He didn't ask her if she wanted it and she didn't ask for it.
'I gave you this lovely gift, be appropriately grateful' is a bad look.
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IIRC...Hazou vs. Team Liberator was caused because they tracked Akane down, and we weren't getting a better opportunity to rescue the team without fighting with her (Noburi has no chakra, Keiko has no weapons); Hazou threatening Jiraiya was a brainfart moment and not a Shikaku.jpg moment (not sure how that sentence parses to me, sorry); Jiraiya put in pretty much all the work and effort in getting Akane un-missing nin'd; I have no idea where Hazou helped to ensure Kenta and Yukari wouldn't ever go hungry; adopting Akane is fair.
Okay, so they both screwed up about exactly the same thing.
Why is he the one being yelled at again?
Yeah, because she's definitely upset that she got a chance to see her home and family again.
Implicit coordination is a thing. A healthy relationship does not revolve around the parties explicitly demanding things of each other.
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Thank you for your feedback. I'll put some thought on how to best mitigate your and EagleJarl's concerns.
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Akane's mistake was not knowing it had happened. Hazou's mistake was knowing but not caring about it. With the mistakes being that different, is it any surprise that one vanished into background noise and the other was a big deal?
Given the context? No. Another part of a healthy relationship is giving the other parties the benefit of the doubt with regards to good faith. She knows perfectly well that he's kinda in the process of crippling himself exploring an alien plane to save the entire universe from carnivorous monstrosities while also kinda busy facing down and defeating literal death itself to pull people back from the literal afterworld, again, and yet she still decided to throw a tantrum and scream at him for being a bit preoccupied because god help if her personal ego isn't the most important thing in the room.
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That's not a good idea. Why would it be a good idea? Normal rolls aren't rolled in the forum and furthermore given the tendencies of the SV dice roller you might as well ask for turbo disasters.
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I am having a very difficult time understanding this as a response to 'criticizing someone for not being grateful enough when you get them an unexpected gift is not the act of a compassionate partner'. She was doubtless overjoyed - I didn't say that she was upset, so that seems like a weird reach - but she doesn't owe him. Everything he's done for her, regardless of outcome, was done without strings or conditions.
If you're saying 'Akane wordlessly requested a majority of what Hazo has done for her' then I both disagree and would point out that 'you're not respecting my agency and you keep doing things for me that I don't want without even checking' is a critical concern she raised which I don't think anyone can reasonably dismiss given that it happened so many times.
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I think it's more...Hazou has done so much for Akane that he should have mountains of goodwill and benefit of the doubt. And yet it seems to not be the case here with the Haru thing.
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'Should' is dangerous. If Akane feels that six unnecessary deaths and a blase reaction from Hazo shake her trust those badly, then that's the fact of the matter. In turn, if that's totally unacceptable to us, we have options, too.
Akane was hurt. Hazo is hurt. Engaging with both of these is extremely important. Doing so one at a time and then examining the interplay minimizes the odds of something going south IMO.
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I mean, yes she can feel the way she feels but...there's still generally a universal measure of things to an extent. In this case, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people would agree that given their past, she should give him the benefit of the doubt.
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I suggest it merely because it might encourage the hivemind to delegate decisions to npcs if it can at least maintain some tangential oversight of it. It doesn't have to be the SV roller, just somewhere where everyone can see the rolls.
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While their operations division tends to be a tad more competent than their Stazi bad-think division- no. I'm going off on a personal tangent.
What I'm saying is that she has a right to withhold affection on a whim in a relationship, and he has a right to say "fine, you selfish, incompetent, ungrateful bitch. I'll see you again when you feel like admitting fault."
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What I'm suggesting is, "Hey, perhaps that's an unhealthy relationship dynamic and maybe he should assert his own needs and desires while he's busy saving the entire universe because all evidence suggests that nobody is going to bother doing it for him and everybody has a breaking point."
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Unfortunately that would likely result in his demise and/or the dissolution of the clan sooner rather than later because this team is a nightmare and Hazou is the sane one.
Boy, good thing he got a choice about technically outranking every Kage whoever lived and more responsibility than all of them put together.
There is a point in every abusive relationship where the victim can and should say, "fuck you, I'm out."
Akane's conduct was simply, qualitatively unacceptable. She'd be lucky to be told to go fuck herself considering that she decided to direct it at somebody officially empowered to murder her and her entire family.
(By the way, she didn't think twice about protecting her civilian family before storming off in a tantrum, did she?)
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Unfortunately we can't do that because end of the world and Hazou without a clan is just begging to be hunted like a dog and murdered by Leaf, because fuck him.
Good. Sounds like fun. We already have stupid boxes and a crazy genius who has already combat-proven Hazou's independent reinvention of suborbital artillery. Somebody wants to start an unprovoked fight? Fine. Let's see how it works out for them.