I think one of the biggest things holding our clan together right now is Gaku and our ability to hand off tasks to him/leave him in charge of delegation. It would probably be a good idea to find more secretaries like Gaku and assign them to specific tasks/clan members. There is currently a serious shortage of literate, smart, guaranteed-loyal, and administratively talented civilians that can perform at a level anywhere near where Gaku is. We should start looking now. Could you add a line to that effect?
Finding a civilian staff for Gaku sounds like a job that we should delegate to Gaku. He knows best how much and what kind of help he needs.
 
    • Our ongoing projects/responsibilities are:
      • Skysliders
      • Aqueducts/sewage
      • Harumitsu
      • Eyeglasses
      • CHAOS suit, reactive armour
      • Salterns
      • Mini-chuunin exams
      • The Great Seal
      • Canvass' ancestors
      • Bear/Squirrel/Otter/Kangaroo scrolls
      • The clan's finances
      • The famine
      • Haru
      • Asuma's economic council
    • Who has bandwidth? What can you help with?
    • What are you already doing that we don't know about?

The problem with all these issues is that the QM having to keep track of plot threads. This would be more properly the hivemind's responsibility. We should be keeping this track of this stuff.

The hivemind is like 10-20 people. The QMs are 3 people. They aren't going to delegate tasks to the NPCs for us.
 
Just to be sure...you remember that Hazō still has two Severe consequences and is on crutches, right? He'll need to be carried if you want to travel any significant distance.

Ahh I was under the implication that we where functional.

You're beaten to hell and you're not going to be field-ready for a few months, but you'll be functional."
But since it turns out I'm mistaken I'll just delete the plan

I must note that this appears very dismissive and downright insulting towards the hivemind. Was this intentional?

I've been playing in this quest for 4 years or so. This topic has came up so many times. There are always talks of reforms but they never appear.

But I am very bad at managing my emotions and tend to act like a bitch. So will offer apologize and try not to slander my friends
 
I don't think the hivemind entirely clear about what delegation is meant to solve or how it's exactly going to work without breaking the QMs in the process.

Meanwhile, none of the plans I seen address the DRAGONWAR sealing stuff, which is stuff I am interested in.
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien I was gonna vote this in as a plan but really just making a plan to answer this question would be lame...

Does Hazou think a Topographic Map (which would presumably use Calligraphy) could convey all of the necessary information of the Great Seal? And does he know of any Stoneworkers, civilian or otherwise, who are skilled enough to make a detailed version of such a map?

The only reason I don't see a map being able to show all of the information is if the Great Seal has "caves", or indents in the walls that can't be reflected from a Top-Down point of view.
 
Quick question how much faster would our severe physical consequence heal up if we actually stayed in the hospital and got it treated with MedNin?
 
Quick question how much faster would our severe physical consequence heal up if we actually stayed in the hospital and got it treated with MedNin?
Rules Doc said:
  • Assist the body's natural healing processes, allowing the patient to recover from maluses more quickly or to recover from maluses which would not normally recover. The TN is typically 0 but is set by the type of injury. For each day of care, roll both MedNin and MedKnow.
    • On a failure of more shifts than the Medic's MN Aspect bonus, the medic prevents recovery that day.
    • On success, heal (3 x (min(MK roll, MN roll) - TN))) shifts for that day.
Impossible to say without knowing the TN of the injury, but if it's zero and we're being treated by a chunin level doctor rolling approx 40, for MK and MN, we're looking at about 120 additional shifts, on top of the 400 we get from natural healing, counted against the 44800 we need to heal the Severe Consequences.
 
And with the Calligraphy route nixed, the only options are MEW, the stonecarving jutsu, or purchasing a TH project to modify one of the above. Personally, my preference is just going for the stonecarving jutsu so we can get started on a reasonably good 3D replica right away.

[X] Hazou: Stonecarving Strategy
Stonecarving Jutsu 29 (407.5 XP)
Physique 28 (Pangolin XP)
Resolve 26 (Yamanaka XP)
Save 40.5 XP

Note: while we could purchase Stonecarving Jutsu 30 with our remaining XP, the wound penalty we experience would actually push the effective level lower since wounds scale with AB. We'll be able to level this further when we have enough XP to reach level 34 (160 XP) or when our Severes heal.
 
So given that hazou would only have incentive for the stone carving jutsu after the great seal...and only be able to train in it after he healed a bit...does it make sense for him to be able to invest a whopping 400 xp in it?
 
So given that hazou would only have incentive for the stone carving jutsu after the great seal...and only be able to train in it after he healed a bit...does it make sense for him to be able to invest a whopping 400 xp in it?
fate of the world etc
the better the model the faster sealmaster gang figures out how to fix it
 
fate of the world etc
the better the model the faster sealmaster gang figures out how to fix it
And the more likely they find some critical insight that they wouldn't otherwise, or find it in time, or get some other useful byproduct of having a better replica of the Great Seal to work with. We don't strictly know that there will be a payout to this, but there might be one and it might make the difference between life and death for 7Path and EN alike, so it's worth whatever we can afford. FOOM, for all the value it represents, means nothing if we fail to save the world here.
 
Hazou has incentive for this. I'm not talking about that. I'm asking whether hazou has had enough training time to invest 400 xp since the great seal injured him
 
[X] Hazou: Stonecarving Strategy
I think one of the biggest things holding our clan together right now is Gaku and our ability to hand off tasks to him/leave him in charge of delegation. It would probably be a good idea to find more secretaries like Gaku and assign them to specific tasks/clan members. There is currently a serious shortage of literate, smart, guaranteed-loyal, and administratively talented civilians that can perform at a level anywhere near where Gaku is. We should start looking now. Could you add a line to that effect?
Finding a civilian staff for Gaku sounds like a job that we should delegate to Gaku. He knows best how much and what kind of help he needs.
I have added content which addresses both of these points and a little more. Specifically, I've explicitly included Gaku in our meeting and I'm asking everyone (Gaku especially) if they could do with hiring more staff, and what they need to hire more staff.
The problem with all these issues is that the QM having to keep track of plot threads. This would be more properly the hivemind's responsibility. We should be keeping this track of this stuff.

The hivemind is like 10-20 people. The QMs are 3 people. They aren't going to delegate tasks to the NPCs for us.
I don't think the hivemind entirely clear about what delegation is meant to solve or how it's exactly going to work without breaking the QMs in the process.

Meanwhile, none of the plans I seen address the DRAGONWAR sealing stuff, which is stuff I am interested in.
Our models of the effectiveness of delegation both as a meta topic and in-universe differ sufficiently that I don't think that we are going to have productive conversations on the topic.

You've made it fairly clear that you aren't interested in my plan and think it is a poor idea; this is totally fair, but it does mean that I'm not interested in your feedback on the topic. You're more than welcome to provide it, but I want to be clear that doing so is unlikely to be a productive use of your time if your intention is changing my plan.

We want very different things, and the way that fundamental differences like this ultimately get resolved is that both parties post plans and people vote on them.

I will say that if Velorien indicates that my plan would be not-fun to write or produce consequences which are unusually taxing for the QMs or something else to that effect, then I'm happy to scrap/change it.
 
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[X] Hazou: Stonecarving Strategy


I have added content which addresses both of these points and a little more. Specifically, I've explicitly included Gaku in our meeting and I'm asking everyone (Gaku especially) if they could do with hiring more staff, and what they need to hire more staff.


Our models of the effectiveness of delegation both as a meta topic and in-universe differ sufficiently that I don't think that we are going to have productive conversations on the topic.

You've made it fairly clear that you aren't interested in my plan and think it is a poor idea; this is totally fair, but it does mean that I'm not interested in your feedback on the topic. You're more than welcome to provide it, but I want to be clear that doing so is unlikely to be a productive use of your time if your intention is changing my plan.

We want very different things, and the way that fundamental differences like this ultimately get resolved is that both parties post plans and people vote on them.

I will say that if Velorien indicates that my plan would be not-fun to write or produce consequences which are unusually taxing for the QMs or something else to that effect, then I'm happy to scrap/change it.

It's not that I don't think we shouldn't delegate tasks to NPCs, it's that delegation requires a computation cost on the part of real human beings. If we want to delegate effectively, we need to consider what human brains are we running it on.
 
It's not that I don't think we shouldn't delegate tasks to NPCs, it's that delegation requires a computation cost on the part of real human beings. If we want to delegate effectively, we need to consider what human brains are we running it on.
  1. Asking the members of our clan what tasks they think they're up for taking on as opposed to assigning them tasks gives the QMs more agency, not less. Anecdotally, I'm a lifelong DM and if my players tried something like this, I would not be upset or feel like work had been downloaded onto me. I'm already having to do the bookkeeping; getting a little more flexibility in it is a bonus, not a penalty.
  2. Asking the members of our clan what tasks they think they can take on explicitly respects their agency, which is something that we've been doing a bad job on. A really stupid failure mode for delegation is to fail to delegate delegation, especially when a) it's been made clear to us that our clan members have actually been picking up slack we didn't even realize existed for quite a while and b) our clan members have skills, abilities, and wells of inner strength we might not be aware of.
 
Finding a civilian staff for Gaku sounds like a job that we should delegate to Gaku. He knows best how much and what kind of help he needs.
Make sure to phrase it as "Gaku you've done great work and without you I would not be able to run this clan. Akane and others want me to delegate further for the sake of my mental health; what funds, assurances and permissions would you need to find a further administrative staff that reaches your standards for loyalty, integrity and competence?"
 
Make sure to phrase it as "Gaku you've done great work and without you I would not be able to run this clan. Akane and others want me to delegate further for the sake of my mental health; what funds, assurances and permissions would you need to find a further administrative staff that reaches your standards for loyalty, integrity and competence?"
I've added words to this effect. The current plan is below.
I'm planning on having a link for every item on our to-do list which isn't trivially obvious (i.e. DRAGONWAR). If anyone knows a chapter off the top of their head, that would be great.

[X] Action Plan: Housekeeping

Word count: sub-300
  • Offscreen:
    • Sanity-check Sasuke, Shikamaru, Asuma sections with the clan.
    • Sasuke:
      • We appreciate your help with the rift. We'd like closer Goketsu-Uchiha relations one day.
      • What clan-running advice do you have?
    • Shikamaru:
      • May we please read any available Nara clan-management advice?
    • Karasu/Ami's sealing notes:
      • Block out time to decipher, focusing on sealing and DRAGONWAR-relevant lore.
  • Asuma:
    • We acknowledge our role in the famine and apologize.
    • We have a lot of food incoming for Leaf.
    • Were 5SB/ninja wire nets to protect critical infrastructure in Jiriya's notes?
  • Kei
    • Explicit: this might be monumentally stupid.
    • We want to give Naruto Ghost Scales.
    • Pro: it's great for Naruto and therefore Leaf, and might help mend fences.
    • Con: needs Pangolin approval, we have concerns about secrecy.
    • CRITICALLY IMPORTANT: it is your jutsu and you can veto this for any reason.
  • Whole clan, including Gaku:
    • We want to delegate more. We trust you, but we haven't acted like it. We're sorry.
    • Our ongoing projects, responsibilities, and goals are:
      • Skysliders
      • Aqueducts/sewage
      • Harumitsu
      • Eyeglasses
      • Necromancy
      • CHAOS suit, reactive armour
      • Salterns
      • Mini-chuunin exams
      • The Great Seal/DRAGONWAR
      • Canvass' ancestors
      • Managing Dog relations
      • Bear/Squirrel/Otter/Kangaroo scrolls
      • The clan's finances
      • The famine
      • Haru
      • Asuma's economic council
    • Can anyone help with any of that?
    • Conversely: what's everyone working on?
      • We've gotten wrapped up in our own problems and haven't been asking. Again: we're sorry.
      • Can we help? Directly? Allocating clan resources?
    • Gaku has been hugely helpful. Frankly, he's done more for the clan than us.
      • Civilian administration is a clan resource. Who needs it?
      • Gaku: do you need or want anything? To meet increased need, make your job easier?
      • Additional staff? Ninja magic? WMDs?
    • We want to be a leader worthy of Goketsu. Thank you all for your support, especially when we fall short. It means the world.
 
I've added words to this effect. The current plan is below.
I like it, short of having a medid nin check the meat to make sure it doesn't have any horrendous thing that kills humans (it shouldn't, as anything but the Summoner should get left behind, but storage seals may invalidate that) i have no complains or improvements
[X] Action Plan: Housekeeping
 
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Offscreen:
  • Sanity-check Sasuke, Shikamaru, Asuma sections with the clan.
  • Sasuke:
    • We appreciate your help with the rift. We'd like closer Goketsu-Uchiha relations one day.
    • What clan-running advice do you have?
  • Shikamaru:
    • May we please read any available Nara clan-management advice?
  • Karasu/Ami's sealing notes:
    • Block out time to decipher, focusing on sealing and DRAGONWAR-relevant lore.
I'd like to start teaching a few Arachnids to operate seals so we can start disseminating that knowledge in that part of the 7th Path.

Ideally we could also pick up some spidersilk and see if it can be woven in to cloth, either by Arachnid weaverkin or human weavers. Spidersilk is so strong that we might be able to get an Armor rating out of the resulting cloth. Weaverkin might think it was an interesting project, and probably an honor to do it for Kumokugo's consort.
 
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