Partial action plan

[X] Action Plan: Training A Doggo and the Chocolate Conspiracy


Timeline:
  • One day of taking care of business. Two days for research.

Candoru
  • Make it clear that seriously hurting someone Hazo works with, accident or otherwise, will make Candoru regrets that he wasn't under Canni's discipline.
  • Go hunting with Candoru for food in the Forest of Death to see what he's capable of.
    • Should be piece of cake.
  • Find daily sparing partners for Candoru
    • Work with summoners who may be willing to do summon only battles.
    • Failing that, open offer for any jounin who want to safely use their full power against a combat summon.
    • Failing that, use SC to train Candoru.
Discuss the Chocolate Conspiracy
  • Urgent. Need to resolve this ASAP.
  • What is risk of failing to keep our chocolate monopoly?
  • Figures theft from their warehouse is the best option. Or setting it on fire.
    • Another mudslide might be regarded as suspicious.
  • Once the estate holder is bankrupt, we could buy them out and improves the lives of struggling farmers.
  • Who can do the work?
    • that Hazo works with willWe could do it ourselves, keep it all secret.
    • OTOH, can we hire a Leaf ninja to do this? Is anyone going to care?
  • Schedule the mission at appropriate time.
Misc:
  • Tour the various engineering projects. Take into consideration their needs.
    • Free night at Naked Jaybird for dispirited teams, listening to them explain their challenges, hire ninja to speed up clearing, etc.
  • Naked Jaybird
    • Eat at the restaurant whenever possible.
  • Continue Seal research.
 
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[x] (Candoru) Yes. Respectfully tell Candoru that you look forward to working with him


We can have a SC fight with him, he doesn't need to hold back and we can see how strong he is.


Besides killing some chakra beasts in a mine, we could go after those spider and get some silk, for Mari's birthday present perhaps:

"Not suicidal," Ami said lightly, "just good at planning and very bored. As long as you throw some big, juicy prey for them to focus on, then completely erase your presence, it's not that difficult. The harder part is making sure you bring the right solvents, because there's always more web that you didn't know was there, and they come in a bunch of exciting varieties."

If we get Keiko to join we can have three shadow clones and a bunch of different summons help. We have enough disposable bodies even if those spiders are somewhat dangerous and Noburi can probably just Mist drain them anyway.

And if those Summons care, they could have some of the silk for themselve or maybe we could make something for them.

Also Toads and Pangolin might want to eat some of those spiders.
 
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[x] (Candoru) Yes. Respectfully tell Candoru that you look forward to working with him


We can have a SC fight with him, he doesn't need to hold back and we can see how strong he is.


Besides killing some chakra beasts in a mine, we could go after those spider and get some silk, for Mari's birthday present perhaps:



If we get Keiko to join we can have three shadow clones and a bunch of different summons help. We have enough disposable bodies even if those spiders are somewhat dangerous and Noburi can probably just Mist drain them anyway.

And if those Summons care, they could have some of the silk for themselve or maybe we could make something for them.

Also Toads and Pangolin might want to eat some of those spiders.

I am not exactly keen on gathering spider silks if the people of Leaf thinks it's dangerous, even for Ami.
 
We can have a SC fight with him, he doesn't need to hold back and we can see how strong he is.

I wonder how Summons view the SC technique? On one hand, I could see them viewing it as a ninja "summoning" themselves for a battle. On the other, Summons also seem to have a far greater understanding of planar/inter-universal mathematics than humans. So I could easily see Summons having a unique insight into the fundamental nature of the SC technique.
 
Make it clear that hurting someone(in spar or otherwise) that Hazo works with will make Candoru regrets that he wasn't under Canni's discipline.

Can you change it to "intentionally hurt?" Because training and spars always run the risk of wounds/death. I mean... We're throwing ninja magic around.

Failing that, open offer for any jounin who want to safely use their full power against a combat summon.

I feel like this would count as "humiliation." It's not training, or battle. It's using him as a punching bag for jonin. It's like a fully grown black belt going all out against a ten year old who's about to graduate from a white belt. There's no chance for education or learning, it's just a beat down.
 
Can you change it to "intentionally hurt?" Because training and spars always run the risk of wounds/death. I mean... We're throwing ninja magic around.
Except Candoru's issue is with being overaggressive and not listening to his squad leaders; he could totally hurt one of us by showing his teeth and attacking more than what a spar called for.

Just tell him that nobody is to be seriously hurt, and any "accidents" will be treated as deliberate, or something along those lines.
 
Partial action plan

[X] Action Plan: Training A Doggo and the Chocolate Conspiracy


Timeline:
  • One day of taking care of business. Two days for research.

Candoru
  • Make it clear that seriously hurting someone Hazo works with, accident or otherwise, will make Candoru regrets that he wasn't under Canni's discipline.
  • Go hunting with Candoru for food in the Forest of Death to see what he's capable of.
    • Should be piece of cake.
  • Find daily sparing partners for Candoru
    • Work with summoners who may be willing to do summon only battles.
    • Failing that, open offer for any jounin who want to safely use their full power against a combat summon.
Discuss the Chocolate Conspiracy
  • Urgent. Need to resolve this ASAP.
  • What is risk of failing to keep our chocolate monopoly?
  • Figures theft from their warehouse is the best option. Or setting it on fire.
    • Another mudslide might be regarded as suspicious.
  • Once the estate holder is bankrupt, we could buy them out and improves the lives of struggling farmers.
  • Who can do the work?
    • We could do it ourselves, keep it all secret.
    • OTOH, can we hire a Leaf ninja to do this? Is anyone going to care?
  • Schedule the mission at appropriate time.

Rephrase the discipline threat.
 
[X] Action Plan: Training A Doggo and the Chocolate Conspiracy

A thought occurs: why don't we see more ninja fighting with swords, daggers, Spears, etc? It seems like most ninja we see are specialized in taijutsu. Is it just that most weapons aren't made of chakra metal, and are thus too fragile for ninja-specific combat? Is it because taijutsu is cheaper and more convenient to train? Is it because taijutsu means you have your hands free to sling fireballs?
 
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the correct answer to the Candoru question:


[x] (Candoru) Yes, with the understanding that I have significantly more spare chakra than time. If you are willing to assign someone to train Candoru when I am busy, then they can train on the human path without having to hold back or limit themselves to the rules of a spare.
 
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[X] Action Plan: Training A Doggo and the Chocolate Conspiracy

A thought occurs: why don't we see more ninja fighting with swords, daggers, Spears, etc? It seems like most ninja we see are specialized in taijutsu. Is it just that most weapons aren't made of chakra metal, and are thus too fragile for ninja-specific combat? Is it because taijutsu is cheaper and more convenient to train? Is it because taijutsu means you have your hands free to sling fireballs?

Jutsu often requires two hands.
 
It would be nice to have the Condors in the network from a purely objective standpoint, but we'd have to consider summoning clan relations at that point given the Pangolins. Currently we have Neji (Turtles), Noburi (Toads), Asuma (Monkeys), Keiko (Pangolins), and Hazo (Dogs). Tsunade also has the Slugs and Orochimaru has the Snakes, plus the Condors and Porcupines. I'm not sure how I feel about including the Sannin - we might bother them and I'm still a little nervous about Orochimaru.

Also we should probably go ahead and work out the logistics of the whole thing before including them because a) we'll have a majority and can shape the discussion, b) we won't have to deal just following the S-rankers whims, and c) it's more likely to be accepted as a fait accompli.

If we invited the 2 jonin and Neji, that gives us half the initial votes, and Kadokura Ruri is likely going to hold favorable opinions of us due to KEI, Keiko, and having a summoning scroll through the aforementioned two things. This should be enough variety to have constructive opinions, although we should meet with them similar to Neji in order to get them thinking about it ahead of time. We create a proposal, send it to Asuma, and give the Sannin an opportunity to join with equal benefits assuming they accept right away.

This might be seen as rude by them, but I can't imagine either of them would want to sit in on something like this when they're S-rank, rich, and have other priorities. And again, I would like us to be relatively in control of the whole thing.

The ideal way of creating this would be to have an embassy in neutral territory where every Summons involved sends a member. Then the goods can travel
originator->summoner->embassy->summoner->buyer. Several issues arise with this, however. Clans might not have the best relationships, there isn't a great neutral spot (Great Library plot hook??), the travel time would be astronomical, and individual summons probably wouldn't like to be stuck in one spot all the time without their clans.

Since I doubt individual embassies in each territory would work to start out, for the same reasons (also that's a heck of a security loophole given reverse summoning, and a huge source of a intelligence), our best bet is just to go through the summoners in Leaf.

Potential failures modes: We're going to be creating an economy that depends on individual people. If one of us dies, that's bad as that clan is likely unavailable for at least 3 months. Pros to this - summons are going to be highly incentivized to accept the next Leaf summoner to keep trade going. Potential solutions - again, embassies in each clan would mean that a different summoner could travel to keep trade going, but we'd have to wait until the summons have grown to rely on the trade network. This might just be an unavoidable issue.

Related to this, trade would have to stop when someone goes on a mission. This would only bring one clan out of the network for a brief period of time, and goods can be stored in Konoha while waiting for them.

Final issue - does each clan produce trade goods that other clans would want, and is the production scale-able up to export level? For that matter, is there even a common currency? The Dogs seemed to be fairly self-sufficient and not have an industry per say, so our best bet might be setting prices for goods and in essence establishing currency control. I'm not into economics so I don't even want to attempt this, but dealing with taking a percentage cut from a barter economy would be an exercise in frustration.

Steps we need to take:

Talk to the two jonin summoners (ensure they're finished with their training, but now that we've started the ball rolling with Neji, we can only take so long).
Decide whether to invite the Sannin to the meeting, and figure if Asuma needs to come.
Have the meeting to establish a rough draft proposal.
Likely have each summoner talk with their clan, present the proposal, and come up with a list of trade goods and their relative prices.
Have a second meeting to finalize proposal, pricing, and ensure everyone is onboard - potentially optional depending on how we structure the first meeting and if we can move the above point to prep work before the initial meeting.
Official-ize it with Asuma, if the Sannin weren't included, ask them (or have Asuma ask them), inform everyone of the changes and give them a copy.
Done.

Thoughts?
 
I'm not sure how I feel about including the Sannin - we might bother them and I'm still a little nervous about Orochimaru.

Tsunade doesn't really go on missions but is swamped at the hospital. I don't think she'd be interested in it, since she seems to be the sole active Senju ninja and has a handwavium amount of money. Maybe we could negotiate it to where her proceeds go to the hospital equipment or something, but I feel like that's just reaching.

Orochimaru is way too strong for us to consider interacting with right now. Once we can tank his jonin aura, I'd be more open to the suggestion... But not right now. The QMs have admitted that, should Orochimaru decide he wants our corpse on a dissection table, it'll happen. And since Orochimaru is who he is, I doubt Asuma would want him involved anyway. And I doubt that Orochimaru would care about this little project, other than maybe as a customer.

Edit: and their summons aren't likely to care all that much, either. All the Summoning Clans are quietly terrified of the Slugs for an unknown reason and the Snakes seem politely disinterested with the outside world. So it's not like either one of them has a cause to care about the trade network... Other than, again, perhaps as an occasional customer.
 
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imo we can trust Orochimaru to be civil in such a meeting if we have Asuma or Tsunade around. Either of them means Orochimaru can't breach the laws of Leaf without severe consequences, and I don't think he'd make his decision of whether to stay in Leaf or abandon it based on the kid summoner's cute little idea.

As such, if we get Asuma's approval and he'll be with us for the final meeting to decide the details, then I'm also okay inviting Orochimaru and Tsunade. Odds are neither of them will care, but if they don't show up then we've shown proper respect without consequence and if they do then we're still safe.
 
This is likely not a good plan, but I think the general <what we are doing> is the correct move, even if the details are not. Let me know your thoughts.

[X] Action Plan: Illuminating the Path
Word Count: 202

  • Candoru: Give him combat.
    • Sparring: Make Shadow Clones for him to fight without holding back. For added difficulty, use multiple (or Akane's) SCs or seals.
    • Hunting: Let him fight chakra monsters in the FoD, luring monsters over or making distractions as needed.
  • Chocolate: Tap our agent/factor. Is the monopoly-breaking field's owner abusive [NB: an acceptable target to bankrupt?].
    • ACCEPTABLE: Steal/destroy the harvest before merchants buy it, prioritizing stealing.
      • Who should go?? <HELP>
    • UNACCEPTABLE: Determine who's purchasing the harvest, take from them instead.
      • Who should go?? <HELP>
  • Mari: Discuss telling Keiko FOOM.
    • OPSEC: Speak with security at home, obfuscating terminology.
    • Our thoughts:
      • We want to tell Keiko a (subtext: THE) clan secret, but don't want to strain her loyalties to others (Ami, Nara).
      • Keiko worships Ami, and might fold if pressed (however guilty she'd feel afterwards). Would Ami hurt her sister over this, though?
      • Likewise, the Nara have claim on her loyalties. Could they order her to tell them? Would they?
    • Are we being paranoid in our concerns? Moreover, would Keiko want to hold the secret? Would Snowflake?
  • Misc.:
    • Continue previous projects.
    • Research: Finish chakdar.
      • Try doing research without prep. If a sealing failure occurs, revert to 3-day prep + 1-day research.
 
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Why are we talking about our most dangerous secret in the open
The idea is to make it sound like a generic clan secret, but considering how exhausted I am it probably isn't as obfuscated or unimportant as I'd intended. Ugh.

Could you please assume that it's written as intended (i.e., the FOOMiness is hidden enough that the action is safe to do) and judge that part on its merits? I'll try to make changes when I am less tired.
 
  • Chocolate: Tap our agent/factor. Is the monopoly-breaking field's owner abusive [NB: an acceptable target to bankrupt?].
    • ACCEPTABLE: Steal/destroy the harvest, prioritizing stealing.
      • Who should go?? <HELP>
    • UNACCEPTABLE: Determine who's purchasing the harvest, take from them instead.
      • Who should go?? <HELP>

A merchant isn't necessary an 'acceptable' target. If neither the merchant or landowner are assholes, who do we bankrupt then?

For lowest risk, we should steal from whoever is the easiest. In all likelihood, the the lowest risk and greatest chance of success is before the chocolate gets distributed.
 
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Why are we talking about our most dangerous secret in the open
Last time we went full OPSEC with Mari she threatened very unpleasant things if we did it again. That's a bit petty, of course, but I also think that sufficient obfuscation in the conversation (which Mari is certainly capable of) will keep any hypothetical observers from hearing any useful information.

Of course, we don't have to talk about this in the open. We can do the obfuscation talk in medium-security conditions that just don't involve us going underground two hours outside of Leaf.

edit: @faflec, if there's room, would you consider adding 'if Mari thinks it's safe, go ahead and tell Keiko under maximum security conditions'? 'Talk to Mari about X and then do it if approved' is generally better on the QMs than 'Talk to Mari about X' with the 'and then do it if approved' saved for next cycle.
 
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Here's my thinking:

1) Stealing chocolate from landlord isn't going to necessarily bankrupt them in one turn. Land is wealth, and they likely have accumulated enough wealth to pay taxes to their ninja overlord by themselves. They're petty nobility.
2) A merchant caravan or when the landlord meets the distributor are going to be the most likely scenario for armed guards to be present, whether ninja or not.
3) Nighttime theft is the most likely way to succeed . Or we could simply burn it, which may be worse than doing hydroengineering or another mudslide.
4) The moment that the chocolate are now cargo being transported and guarded by ninja is the most likely and dangerous scenario in which we lose the monopoly. The chocolate merchant could simply sell it to other merchants which are then dispersed across the elemental nations. One caravan can be dealt with. But five or ten caravans? Less likelihood of success.
5) It is very important that we have this monopoly on chocolate or we go bankrupt.

Thus, This is why I am advocating for the earliest interception(BEFORE it leaves the ground of the farm in question).
 
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edit: This is all that remains of an argument between me and Oneiros, which is quoted beneath a couple times. Pay it no heed.
 
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I am not asking you to not feel hurt by the argument yesterday, I understand that feelings can be hurt even when I mean no harm. I am asking you, rather, to aim for objectivity and politeness instead of lashing out.

Also, saying "I wasn't trying to hurt your feelings" isn't an apology for hurting someone's feelings. I would recommend making amends by owning up to your actions, unintentional or not. Telling the other person how to act on top of that is...not cool tbh
 
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