It's a massive earth moving project done with far fewer laborers than we have access in our history, even with magic construction jutsu.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
It's a massive earth moving project done with far fewer laborers than we have access in our history, even with magic construction jutsu.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Honestly? Maybe, with sealtech to power it.
On the note of sealtech...
@Velorien @OliWhail @eaglejarl Aside from specific seals that you desire to share with us, I'd suggest doing something like creating a probabilistic thingum of seals Jiraiya might have created, so that you can just roll and say yes or no when we ask "Hey do we have access to X type of seal?"
[x] Action Plan: Reminisce on Summoning Forbidden Lore
Review and reminisce on all the interesting/important Summoning Forbidden Lore you learned. Especially:
What happens if someone signs a second summoning scroll
What happens if Hazou (or a non-Kurosawa person) looked at the beginning of the summoning scroll
Why it is dangerous for non-summoners to be taught the information that summoners know
What happens if someone signs a summoning scroll without being trained?
Review and reminisce on all the interesting/important Summoning Forbidden Lore you learned. Especially:
What happens if someone signs a second summoning scroll
What happens if Hazou (or a non-Kurosawa person) looked at the beginning of the summoning scroll
Why it is dangerous for non-summoners to be taught the information that summoners know
What happens if someone signs a summoning scroll without being trained?
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- Location
- London
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- He/Him/They/Them
So, thinking along the same lines as a railway, what we actually might be able to do is dig a canal. This would be made easier for use by the liberal use of explosives. The advantage of a canal over a railway is the significantly lower precision we would need (I write, knowing fully well that I have NO evidence to suggest that is true or false).
According to the completely unverified first result of my google search, a narrowboat typically has a draft of only 2-3 feet, and I am envisioning a fairly simple system where we have two dogs on either side of a narrow (~8ft wide) canal, towing a narrowboat equivalent up the horrific scar in the world dug by an absolute shitload of explosives. I will point to the wonderfully Kagome-esque Project Plowshare as an inspiration.
@Kiba, does this idea feel any more practical to you? Or do you have the same objection: that it is an infrastructure project well beyond the scope of reality?
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
[X] Action Plan: The First and Last of Non-Linear Time
- Flashback to Hazō's birthday party which happened during the timeskip.
- Noburi's birthday present:
- Order Noburi the most badass sharkskin(Megalodon if possible!) leather trenchcoat that the world has ever SEEN!
- Arrange and fund the missions required to procure the raw materials (if need be) and get some tanners/ leather workers on it.
- Keep some extra materials stored for his barrel /future clothing repairs /whatever.
- Maybe outfit the hunting team with sufficient explosives to kill a megalodon-- Kagome didn't have a problem killing that one before...
- Arrange and fund the missions required to procure the raw materials (if need be) and get some tanners/ leather workers on it.
- Order Noburi the most badass sharkskin(Megalodon if possible!) leather trenchcoat that the world has ever SEEN!
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Don't forget! Noburi likes medicine too; it might be easier to convince Tsunade to teach him medical techniques.
[X] Action Plan: The First and Last of Non-Linear Time
We might as well build train tracks with explosive since it still requires lot of explosive.
Note: this would require us to be familiar or think of railroad tracks.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Can you add giving glassworkers a telescope project to the action plan?
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- London
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- He/Him/They/Them
My thinking was that exploding things to be sufficiently flat for railroads would be hard, and then manufacturing lots of rails with sufficient precision would also be hard, whereas making a big long hole, and one boat, would be easier. Agree or disagree with my feeling on that?
Also, to everyone:
What is our weight and size limit for transfers to 7P?
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
FYI I've been keeping my sketch of the Seventh Path updated as we gather new information. Also tweaked some of the borders recently to make things less stretched out and awkward
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
I don't want to start spending resources starting more projects that we're just going to neglect and forget about in practice once we leave the timeskip and subsequently spend a few chapters fucking around with making dog sleds or sealtech spaceships for dogs to drive or teleporter arrays or whatever we end up doing for a dozen episodes.
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- Yes.
This should be a megalodon leather trenchcoat
Well, I am very persistent about telescopes.
- Location
- NY
No, you're right that this does need far less precision.
Hmm, we could also build roads, now that I think about it. A Force Wall plane pulled by dogs could scrape and smooth out enough of a road to mitigate the cross-country issues enough to make carts or wagons viable.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
This should be a megalodon leather trenchcoat
Do you think Asuma would approve that? I honestly wanted the megalodon in there but he didn't seem to want to do the chakra pony thing, so...
- Location
- Yes.
We're not capturing it, which makes it easier.
Also, Kagome solo'd his megalodon with explosives. Just give the relevant teams some.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
- Location
- Book Fort
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- They/Them
[X] Action Plan: The First and Last of Non-Linear Time
You know, just a shout out to the QMs. A lot of fantasy might have the whole "space between worlds" element... but I don't think I've ever read one being as hostile/antithetical to human life as the Out. It's interesting and I genuinely love reading Hazou's point of view when he interacts with it. It's always dangerously chaotic and very much not meant for humanity... I love it!
You know, just a shout out to the QMs. A lot of fantasy might have the whole "space between worlds" element... but I don't think I've ever read one being as hostile/antithetical to human life as the Out. It's interesting and I genuinely love reading Hazou's point of view when he interacts with it. It's always dangerously chaotic and very much not meant for humanity... I love it!
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
- Location
- Seattle, WA
It it worth it to try to build a seal powered engine? Air cleaner or Usamatsu's Glorious Life-Saving Preserver could be used for direct trust tubes, or arranged carefully around a wheel to make a waterless drive wheel.
If we do a canal or rail, a tireless drive is better than dog power.
Note that a brute force solution to friction issues is to build more vehicles and stash them along the way.
If we do a canal or rail, a tireless drive is better than dog power.
Note that a brute force solution to friction issues is to build more vehicles and stash them along the way.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Wait a second. Hovercraft are actually perfect for this, the only thing that can't be done with medieval tech is the engine and we have seals or jutsu for that. Other than that you're just building a barge with a kilt. Not to mention, given the inland sea, amphibious vehicles are awesome.
[x] Pupper Preservation Plan : It's not a skirt damnit, it's a kilt!
Basically, we build an air pump seal that's a derivative of the other seal work we've already done, and use that to pressurize the area underneath the craft. Because seals are bullshit we don't have to worry about back-pressure and being able to generate a ton of pressure.
Air Pump Seal: Moves air from one side of the seal to another when chakra is applied. The basic design calls for a long rectangular seal, with an intake on one end, and an exhaust on the other.
It is intended to be threaded between the planks on the base of the hovercraft.
One of the nice things about using seals for pumping air is that we don't need to deal with back-pressure as there's no opening to blow air into. We should design the seals to work for long periods, even if they need a steady input of chakra in order to function.
Hovercraft: Fundamentally, this is a barge (ideally one that can actually float) surrounded by a long leather skirt, and with a series of harnesses for dogs that will be towing the craft.
The crew will be made of two teams. The Power team will spend their time channeling chakra into the air pump seals, so that a high pressure zone will build up underneath the craft. The Tow team will use harnesses to pull and guide the hovercraft.
Design Details:
Logistics and Support:
The size of the hovercraft matters quite a bit here, as the crafts get larger they will:
Said craft would mostly only be able to handle straight lines and relatively clear terrain, so again, trade-offs.
Edit: Wait, all we have to do is replace "high-pressure zone" with "overcrowded air-spirits" and we have a model for airflow that we can import into the EN easily.
[x] Pupper Preservation Plan : It's not a skirt damnit, it's a kilt!
Basically, we build an air pump seal that's a derivative of the other seal work we've already done, and use that to pressurize the area underneath the craft. Because seals are bullshit we don't have to worry about back-pressure and being able to generate a ton of pressure.
Air Pump Seal: Moves air from one side of the seal to another when chakra is applied. The basic design calls for a long rectangular seal, with an intake on one end, and an exhaust on the other.
It is intended to be threaded between the planks on the base of the hovercraft.
One of the nice things about using seals for pumping air is that we don't need to deal with back-pressure as there's no opening to blow air into. We should design the seals to work for long periods, even if they need a steady input of chakra in order to function.
Hovercraft: Fundamentally, this is a barge (ideally one that can actually float) surrounded by a long leather skirt, and with a series of harnesses for dogs that will be towing the craft.
The crew will be made of two teams. The Power team will spend their time channeling chakra into the air pump seals, so that a high pressure zone will build up underneath the craft. The Tow team will use harnesses to pull and guide the hovercraft.
Design Details:
- The raised blister and double layered construction of the barge creates a small pressure vessel that the seals can fill up even when the hovercraft is resting on the ground, allowing for easier liftoff. It also helps keep the seals from getting wet in case of a water landing.
- The inner skirt should be flexible and semi-airtight. This allows the hovercraft to slowly descend if power is cut. (Mind, that doesn't help with any horizontal momentum that might need to be bled off.)
- These don't have to be perfectly airtight, they just have to be able to handle enough pressure to lift the craft without major leaks. Some minor leakage will actually protect the inner skirt by allowing it bend more easily.
- The outer skirt should be structured like scale mail, with pieces that can take damage and be replaced individually. The outer skirt doesn't need to be airtight, and its main purpose is to protect the inner skirt from rocks or other terrain that might damage it.
- Multiple layers of outer skirt could be added for extra redundancy.
Logistics and Support:
The size of the hovercraft matters quite a bit here, as the crafts get larger they will:
- Require fewer air pumps per unit payload
- Require fewer crew per unit payload
- Require less skirt per unit payload
- Accelerate and turn slower
- Be less able to handle rough terrain
- Be more stable wrt. to movement on the platform of the craft
Said craft would mostly only be able to handle straight lines and relatively clear terrain, so again, trade-offs.
Edit: Wait, all we have to do is replace "high-pressure zone" with "overcrowded air-spirits" and we have a model for airflow that we can import into the EN easily.
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