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- The state of Paranoia
The dogs are SO much more polite than pangolins and toads. That is extremely refreshing.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
- Location
- Seattle, WA
Do we have a range estimate for J's substitution seals? If we do a vehicle based solution, having caches and prepped rocks at major terrain points like rivers and such may be part of a larger package.
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- The state of Paranoia
So the easiest solution is probably to make sleds that adult dogs can easily strap themselves to. Possibly something that has a harness with a rigid structure, so it can be held by one adult while another wriggles into the harness?
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- He/Him
On discord, Kiba suggested harnesses that they can wear constantly while on duty, that have hooks they can attach to the harness, so they can easily attach or detach themselves from the sled.
It has also been suggested that we make harnesses with nets, bags, or baskets on either side for adult dogs to wear, that puppies could crawl into easily.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
What if we do an end run around the problem? Carts would be great if there were halfway decent roads.
So, let's find some nice tarpits we can ship over, and enough explosives to cut though terrain.
Alternately, just us force walls to cut wheels and axles out of trees and use them to rapidly build carts. (I have this idea for a low effort force wall lathe that should help.)
Alternately, just stick some upside down air domes on the bottom of a barge and use them as "wheels". The domes are frictionless after all, so they have no need to rotate.
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail:
So, let's find some nice tarpits we can ship over, and enough explosives to cut though terrain.
Alternately, just us force walls to cut wheels and axles out of trees and use them to rapidly build carts. (I have this idea for a low effort force wall lathe that should help.)
Alternately, just stick some upside down air domes on the bottom of a barge and use them as "wheels". The domes are frictionless after all, so they have no need to rotate.
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail:
- What sort of terrain do dog lands have? Over which the puppers would have to travel?
- What are the distances expected on each leg of a journey? How many legs to a journey?
- Can we choose to optimize for throughput instead of speed? (e.g. allow 10 adults to move a 100 pups at 1/2 adult speed vs allowing 10 adults to move 50 pups at adult speed.)
- What sort of gross manufacturing and assembly skills are available on the dog side? (So that Hazou can focus on getting them things they can't provide or do on their own.)
- How comfortable do the pups need to be during travel?
- Do the expected routes follow rivers or other geographic features?
- Location
- Book Fort
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- They/Them
If we're going with the cart invention, there's an issue: wheels. I remember reading once that wheel-like structures don't appear very often in nature because the prolonged, smooth and flat surfaces that wheels are suited for are very rare. What if we made something akin to the wheels of a tank, but with wood slats instead?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Over "hundreds of miles of prairie", pup comfort is useful, I suspect, but not wholly necessary.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
I am extremely proud of Hazou for this.
I believe that a few players have expressed that Hazou tends to get flustered when conversations do not go according to his expectations, and here he is learning from that and instead turning it to his advantage by being forthright and honest with people whom he has had expressed to him on multiple occasions that appreciate that -- and his prefered, if we're honest -- style of communication.
- Location
- NY
Any design would need to be durable enough to not fall apart over hundreds of miles of fast-ish movement over rough terrain and enough of a force multiplier over saddlebags to be worth using, and simple enough to be mass produced at a medieval + seals tech level.
Do we have any seals akin to 5SB that let you still move the thing it's on?
Do we have any seals akin to 5SB that let you still move the thing it's on?
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- Yes.
Force Walls.
- Location
- USA
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Air domes are fixed in place with respect to the earth. Also, I'm pretty sure they aren't frictionless. Smooth, yes, but not frictionless.
@Velorien is (should be?) asleep right now, but I feel pretty safe answering these. We'll let you know if I missed anything and we need to retract:
Respectively:
Dog lands extend through various biomes but it's mostly prairie with some forest here and there. There's a large inland sea, meaning that you've also got some beach/marsh/salt marsh but it's not essential that they be able to take kids there.
You need to plan for scores or hundreds of miles per day for multiple days in a row.
No, speed is the essential. The main purpose here is to be able to evacuate a family group when an attack comes. That means moving fast for a long time without slowing down.
TBD.
Comfort would be strongly preferred but the main concern is emergency evacuation so they'll settle for "the kids don't end up maimed".
Hazō didn't come up with that question on the spot (translation: I don't know the answer) but he thinks it's fairly likely that the answer is no.
Does it matter if the speed is 15 mph as opposed to 20 mph or a minor reduction of speed?
As it stand, it seems that the overall endurance speed is more important than short high speed bursts.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Is the time between the seventh path and human path sufficiently synced that Hazou can tell Canoe when he will plan to be summoning her?
Unlikely to succeed. J man would love a movable air dome, and we would too.
- Location
- NY
Force wall sled skis. Angle them up slightly at the tips, whether by curving the wall or by adding a second piece at the front that's tipped upwards.
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- She/They
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PLAYERS - Known Seals
Too much friction, think seals at either end don't work properly for sleds?
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- how about no
I'd prefer a seal-free solution for multiple reasons. The Dogs would not like an invention for saving their children that requires parts that only humans can create since one delay in shipments could result in lost puppy lives. Simplicity is also another factor as well as accessibility for the users, people with paws instead of hands.
This is also what I essentially had in mind. As a slight change though, I would have a number of yokes (depending on how many dogs are needed to haul the puppies) instead of overall harnesses as it allows the dogs to simply place their heads into the yoke when they need to pull and then easily disengage by backing out of it. If that is too loose of a fit we could also have an adjustable strap that can tighten down when another dog pulls of the end of the strap to almost fully close the loop (we don't want to completely close it since that would lead to strangling dogs).
I like this idea too and I think it would be especially useful to fulfill another role for puppy rescue: picking up stragglers. In the event that a puppy should be separated from the pack designated retrievers (pun very much intended) could track them down and quickly secure them either for relocation to a sled or in dire circumstances, to make the escape themselves.
The best thing we can do though is to propose both ideas to the Alpha and involve him in the decision making progress. He will know which solution would work best for his people and whether or not we should expend additional effort in either, neither, or both pursuits.
I can already see some hilarious slice of life scenes unfolding from this:
Cannai: "...You want us to strap our young to ourselves."
Hazou: "Yes."
C: "For prolonged periods of time..."
H: "...Yes."
C: "...In life or death circumstances."
H: "...Yes?"
C: "..."
H: *visibly sweating*
C: "You do it first."
H: "I'm sorry, what?"
C: "Go a full day with one of our young strapped to you and tell me how feasible you find the experience."
H: "Uh.... Okay? I mean, I checked all of the straps for comfort, the weight distribution should be fine..."
Puppy: "Hello summoner, it is a pleasure to meet you and I love you and this. Is. THE. BEST. DAY. EVER!"
H: "...I can probably handle this."
P: haha-tail-wagging-go-brrrr.jpg
And then once he is back on the human path Mari can claim she's too young to be a grandmother (and whisper that the puppy in the park trick is cheating), Keiko will go all tsundere insisting that cats are better, Kagome will have a fit trying to keep the pup from antagonizing/chasing Fifi, Noburi will sulk that tadpoles are not nearly as cute, and Akane will cause a cuteness singularity when she hugs the doggo from which there is no escaping the d'awwwwwwww.
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- Land of Snow
Harnesses are okay, but a lot of ancient peoples (Egypt, for example) used light chariots for battles without an incident even where there were no roads. Chariots or carts are not as easy to make as harnesses, and we do need to think about shock absorption but they may be easier to use without hands and would probably tire the adults less. There would still be a problem if a cart breaks, as dogs can't repair it, but at least it gives them a head start, and we still can combine it with harnesses.
I've never heard about sleds being used in large numbers anywhere without snow or ice. Any rocket-based solution is both unsafe and difficult for an untrained user, and we don't want to be responsible for any dead puppies that could be alive without our intervention.
Luckily, we at least have Canoe to help us test the designs.
First proposition, the set for two adults that contains:
Two harnesses for the adults.
Four puppy baskets, that supports their bellies and lets the paws hang free. A harness should be able to support two baskets.
A light chariot/cart that can be attached to the harness.
I've never heard about sleds being used in large numbers anywhere without snow or ice. Any rocket-based solution is both unsafe and difficult for an untrained user, and we don't want to be responsible for any dead puppies that could be alive without our intervention.
Luckily, we at least have Canoe to help us test the designs.
First proposition, the set for two adults that contains:
Two harnesses for the adults.
Four puppy baskets, that supports their bellies and lets the paws hang free. A harness should be able to support two baskets.
A light chariot/cart that can be attached to the harness.
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- They/Them
For those not on the discord I am currently proposing we diplomacy the Hornets (clear communication no jutsu might help with insect intelligences) to create cardboard boats (hornets build nests by layering paper with organic glue) that can be pulled across the inland sea by waterwalking dogs.
The Dogs can't trade with the Hornets because they're too alien. If CCNJ works we might have something that would outright impress the Dogs.
The Dogs can't trade with the Hornets because they're too alien. If CCNJ works we might have something that would outright impress the Dogs.
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- Location
- Italy
So, i was rereading some chapters and it seems Danzo existence wasn't as secret as i thought, because at least Ryuugamine knows about him.
Hi Danzo,(Interesting how he's considered a shadow king, meaning Hiruzen could have killed himl ess because of the Uchiha Massacre, and more because of Danzo trying a soft coup)
Hi Danzo,(Interesting how he's considered a shadow king, meaning Hiruzen could have killed himl ess because of the Uchiha Massacre, and more because of Danzo trying a soft coup)
Aodyssey
The glass will not protecc you
- Location
- Chaldea
Would it be possible to setup a limited Summoning ritual?Jutsu? similar to the one used to summon Summon Guides for the pups? Set it so Hazo can't summon the pups without authentication but the dog parents can reverse summon them to him. You can't go further or faster than teleportation, after all.
Relatedly, summoning decoupled from summoners*.
*check if it'd be a world rending, paradigm shifting advantage to dogs/render Hazou obsolete
Relatedly, summoning decoupled from summoners*.
*check if it'd be a world rending, paradigm shifting advantage to dogs/render Hazou obsolete
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Yes, as seen by promising to be back by sundown