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Please ignore this. It's a result of QM miscommunication, and has now been removed.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Interesting. So Noburi may be able to establish a vampiric dew bloodline in Leaf.
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- Yes.
Yeah, Yasuji's offer has now become 300% more suspect, this is clearly a trap designed to have us all executed for international crimes and screaming in Kagome
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[X] Action Plan: Best Alternatives
I will say now, as I have said last time right before we almost died: please stop underestimating other strong characters, and especially how much external protection we have in these types of issues.
And to make clear: your thoughts on ISC's likely actions are purely speculative, rather than based on anything we've seen in story, same with the KEI.
I missed the discord discussion, but doing a bit of math out: average sealmaster takes 10 minutes to infuse, yes? At a TN 20 difficulty seal, 50 successes*10 minutes*TN 20 = 10,000 minutes. So, almost exactly a week straight of doing a single seal before hitting the point of mastery. The seems, yeah, I guess reasonable?
I will say now, as I have said last time right before we almost died: please stop underestimating other strong characters, and especially how much external protection we have in these types of issues.
And to make clear: your thoughts on ISC's likely actions are purely speculative, rather than based on anything we've seen in story, same with the KEI.
I missed the discord discussion, but doing a bit of math out: average sealmaster takes 10 minutes to infuse, yes? At a TN 20 difficulty seal, 50 successes*10 minutes*TN 20 = 10,000 minutes. So, almost exactly a week straight of doing a single seal before hitting the point of mastery. The seems, yeah, I guess reasonable?
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It takes 5 minutes to scribe a seal, and 30 seconds to infuse it. The QM opinion on whether you can move up or down the time ladder for sealscribing has flip-flopped over time but I think current opinion is that you can't.
It's also worth noting that mastery accumulates separately for scribing a given seal and for infusing a given seal, and each check has a different TN and a different stat affecting it, so things may differ between scribing and infusing.
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Yes! You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. Sorry for being kind of lethologic lately. Between family stuff, new job stuff, and trying to set everything up for my upcoming move... life's a little crazy. Thanks for bearing with me, I can't imagine that it's entirely pleasant.
I still think that we should look at all the barrel seals we have in our possession before we make a decision. Between Hazou, Kagome, and the three clanless sealsmiths (and possibly all the other sealmasters that the Tower can draw upon, if Noburi's comfortable with that idea), I think that we might have a pretty good shot at fixing this ourselves. Now, QM-fiat might mean that we can't, if they want to the quest/story to go a certain way (have we returned to simulationism yet?) which I'd be... well, mostly okay with?
But I think that it's still worth a shot. Noburi's gotten to a point where he's comfortable sharing his bloodline secrets with us, but he might not be comfortable sharing such things to the wider Leaf as a whole --especially if he has long-term plans to establish the Vampiric Dew within the Goketsu. But I think we could convince him to let us bring in the clanless sealmasters that we've trained up. Depending on their specialties/passions, they might help out a lot!
Yup. I try to vote for caution where I can. I remember a little after the first killbox incident, there were people talking as though Hazou had some plot armor on. I vaguely remember panicking a little. Side note, the fact that we have multiple killbox scenes isn't a good thing. I mean, the fact that we were alone this time is arguably better, but... definitely not good. But I'm all for killing Yasuji once we can. Just... for the record. *cough*
Anyway, I have no idea about the sealmaster math. But if we get multiple sealmasters doing the base work (research, math, esoteric safety precautions that Kagome drilled into us that Jiraiya stupidly scoffed at, etc) then it should cut down on the time while making the end result better. Though, judging by that one side story, we should probably ensure that only one sealmaster draws/infuses the actual seal.
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Maybe my take was different, but the way I read that specific chapter (when Mari was still backsliding into the Heartbreaker) was that, narratively, that was a Bad Thing for Mari. From the perspective of a reader, it read like Mari --who was dealing with grief, guilt, self disgust, loneliness, and many other emotions I'm sure that we aren't privy to --was deciding to embrace the familiar role of the Heartbreaker because at least as the Heartbreaker, she had control. It read like she knew that seducing the merchant head was a Bad Thing and that this was the very sort of thing she'd originally wanted to escape from, but that she was going to do it anyway. Because the feeling of control and the familiar thrill of dominating another person to her will was worth wielding that the double-edged sword. It meant that, for a moment, she wouldn't be feeling like shit.
Currently, Mari is far more stable. She's no longer feeling that toxic, corrosive bottled bile of emotion. She's content in her role within the Goketsu clan. She still misses Jiraiya (judging by how she still reads his books, and is actively trying to learn more about her late husband by comparing his early books to his later ones), she's exasperated with Hazou, but she's happy. She doesn't have to live under the boot of Yugara, wondering when she'll be sent to her next mission, or just flat out killed for being too skilled at manipulation --or some other perceived treason. She doesn't have to live in Mist, and all the horrible memories that it has for her at every corner. She's working on something pure, for the first time in her life: Uplift.
Now. Again. We don't know if Mari's apparent attraction to Yasuji is genuine. Yasuji is a T-ball playing wanna-be seductor whose primary targets are either willing or pressured to be willing by social/political convention. So I could very easily see Mari affecting an attraction to Yasuji to lull him into a false sense of confidence, so that he might let something slip. We all agree that Yasuji is at an extremely disadvantageous position right now. And it seems like everyone in the room knows it, save for Yasuji, himself. And Mari could very well be doing her best to keep him from realizing his neck's exposed.
And I'm just going to repeat myself, at risk of sounding like a broken record. I'll never vote for a plan that has us pressuring Mari into a political marriage. I'll never vote for a plan that has us bringing up the topic to her. Unless Mari herself actively seeks out and pursues another relationship of her own accord, I won't try to force her into one just for the sake of political expediency.
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Cariyaga
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I still don't see anything about directly informing Asuma, so I'm not going to vote for this.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Thanks! I didn't notice that line.
[X] Action Plan: Best Alternatives
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Mari in general dumps a lot of her emotions on Hazou, probably because he went full visionary on everyone. Hazou is the only one she told about murdering her uncle (as far as we know).
She probably doesn't really mind. Jiraiya was as much of a playboy and she and Anko went out dancing to get some Hyuuga in trouble.
A political marriage between Mari and him isn't particular realistic.
Finding a clanless women, adopting her and marring her to him? Absolutely.
Sakura? Not pretty enough (according to Nobby)
Anko? Maybe, she might be even closer in age.
Kurenai? Asuma
Noda? Alcoholic
Aya? Not very mentally stable.
Time for Nobby and Mari to find new candidates!
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Bald poet guy has a 16 year old daughter. More Leaf Mist marriages!
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But it's the "probably" that I have a problem with. We don't know if her attraction is genuine, or a ploy. And I agree that she might not mind, but I feel wrong about asking her to seduce someone. I feel as though treating her consent as a given is wrong --that's why I said that the only way I'd be okay with it is if she brings it up herself, unprompted. If Mari decides that she wants to seduce someone? Sure, alright. My issue is ordering her to do it.
In the Mist, as the Heartbreaker, Mari was a social spec jonin that specialized in infiltration and seduction. She even makes a comment about not knowing how to pick locks, because her skills lie more in "getting them to open the door" for her. As the Heartbreaker, she didn't have control over whom she seduced. Her ability to give consent was taken away. And while we might assume that there was a "voluntary" aspect to those missions, that's severely undercut by the fact that she served under Yugara. And I don't know about you, but turning down a mission that would've further Mist's interests sounds like a good way to get on a Secret Police watch list. Especially if your specialty lies in manipulation.
Once we dismiss Yusuji, if Mari says that she wants to have fun with him --and she doesn't feel pressured to do so, she doesn't think it'll adversely impact her mental health, etc --then I'd be okay with it, in principle. Because ordering her to do it, or asking her to do it (which inherently places pressure on her due to our clan head/clan member authority dynamic) feels a little too much like asking Mari to return to the lifestyle that she wanted to leave in the first place. The lifestyle where she had no control --or, effectively limited control --over her ability to consent.
There's a reason why "retirement" was the main sticking point for our immigration to Leaf. We used most of the skywalker/skytower political currency on denying Leaf access to a jonin-level ninja. Had we been open to negotiation, we could have gotten so many other things instead, but we didn't even think about trying to ask her to remain active. Because it was that important for Mari. I think we need to remember that.
On one hand I worry if Mari will be self destructive and do things we ask even if she doesn't want to.
On the other hand if we want to treat Mari like an adult we should trust her to make decisions and take care of herself.
On the 3rd hand I feel like the old Mari was quite childish.
On the other hand if we want to treat Mari like an adult we should trust her to make decisions and take care of herself.
On the 3rd hand I feel like the old Mari was quite childish.
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We did!? I thought we used most of said currency to get Leaf to accept missing-nin into their forces.
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I would argue that Hazou's insane notion of Uplift (which is close, in heart, to the Will of Fire), the fact that everyone agreed with it, the fact that Jiraiya (who wasn't phased by Mari's manipulation) spoke up in our defense (speaking of, due to his skill as a spymaster, we can reasonably assume that the Tower has detailed and accurate character profiles on all of Team Uplift), and that we all seemed to fundamentally disagree with Mist philosophies made it easier for Jiraiya to spend his political capital to bring us in.
I think that Jiraiya was the one who spent his own political capital bringing us in, and we just made it an easier sell to Hiruzen because we proved that we're capable, earnest and benevolently-minded, and willing to join the Leaf in good faith while we do our best to become naturalized citizens. I think that our positioning power was more of arguing to Jiraiya if we were "worth the price," so to speak. And the fact that Mari was getting tired of being forced into her role? Well, that's just more proof that she chafed under Yugara's boot and would be far better suited to the cultural mindset of the Leaf. The fact that none of us compromised on that --even when we might've been able to get a more secure position in Leaf if we had tried to sway Mari otherwise --well, that just further cements our Leaf-like mindset.
Because Jiraiya could've just had us killed and looted our bodies for the skywalker/skytower seals. He's Jiraiya and he wasn't alone. But he didn't want to do that, because he could see that we'd thrive under the aegis of the Leaf, rather than in the cold embrace of Mist. So, exercising his moral code, he decided to take a chance on us. To bring the wolves in out of the cold. To greet his fellow man with an open embrace, rather than a clenched fist. Because he was tired of this perpetual cycle of pain and hatred. He wanted it to end, even if he didn't know what the world would look like if it didn't exist. So... he took a leap of faith. We just made it easier for him to do so.
TL;DR: Jiraiya was the one who burned his political capital to get us in, we just had to prove that we were worth the sale.
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Friendly reminder to work up and vote for an Omake Plan. I'm getting ready to write the second part of this, and while I'm willing to murder Hazou, I'd rather write him being awesome.
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[x] Armageddon Initiative
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We have Shadow Clone and level 30 Pangolin Earth Armor. Let's make a clone, have it armor up so it won't pop, and make it cause a distraction with whatever 10 seals we choose (implosion seals? Explosives so the clone can pop up, blow someone up, and then slip back underground?) while we get away in the crowd. It sounds like right now they're killing civilians in case we try to sneak away disguised as a civilian, but they'll probably stop once 'Hazō' shows up, as they'll need to focus their attention on fighting him. During that time we just act like a civilian and scram.
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Can we make a declaration that none of the enemy ninja knows lightning style jutsu?
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Ooh, let's give the clone banshee slayers and some banshee fuckers. That will definitely be distracting.
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[X] Omake Plan: rocket launch under an hour
- rocket launch under an hour