Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I set up a plan a little while ago, but it was --admittedly --rough and more an attempt to get the ball rolling than a genuine attempt at an action plan.
- Location
- Italy
I don't have time to refine(Too long and so on) it, but here is a proto-plan, if someone wants, feel free take parts or all of it. I'll make it a real plan if i have time(but i doubt it)
Let Mari take point, let Mari talk if she understand your plan:
Let Mari take point, let Mari talk if she understand your plan:
- What would he like?
- Break his facade, he proposed the best possible scenario of his life, things are not so stable.
- Also he's offering help for a politically powerful Mist ninja, seals to Jiraiya's clan and useful, but not necessary, Koi.
- Results help. Wakahisa siblings, Clan Heir or Clan Head? All depends on results, and date of birth, in his case.
- Point to Goketsu as an positive example.
- What kind of result he wants?Mediocre?Good?Someone no one brought to the Wakahisa?
- Don't elaborate.
- You're going to need the Hokage permission for anything, he understand.
- We'll talk again shortly, let him think of his future great achievements
- Family Gathering
- Noburi
- OPSEC score: 1+ for Noburi
- This is the moment of truth: He must decide where his own worth lies.
- We dealt with worse, we will deal with this.
- He is Noburi of Uplift, not a chakra battery.
- Keiko
- Calm yourself, Uplift MO for the situation: share, discuss, optimize,act.
- Is Ami sincere? Would she do for such an obvious error?
- Optimize the plan
- Mari, Opinions?
- Ami situation.
- Wakahisa boy/Clan real plans?
- Ren and the clan possible actions
- Asuma opinions
- All:Opinion on the situation? What should we do?
- Your proposal:
- Everything depends on Asuma approval, go to him ASAP.
- Wakahisa-Goketsu relationship(unofficially with him), use it to bind and make Mist/Leaf alliance more solid.
- The offer should be made with (secretly) the tower cooperation to maximize the utility of the Wakahisa in Mist(Show how great is for Mist Clan to join with Leaf). Offer an "approved" Wakahisa-Goketsu line if they have the political power for it (The communication line that of course will go directly and always to Asuma,giving him the capability to talk indirectly to the Wakahisa and give the Wakahisa direct access to the Goketsu/Hokage without risking treason).
- Of course if Asuma is wants to, we can end it the second they give us the Koi
- If treason/bad/ Not enough, plan B
- Offer them first not OPSEC related things (Money,buissness idea,ect)
- Cooperate with the tower to offer them things that maximize the utility of the Wakahisa while giving them object whose tricks are known to Leaf, making them stronger against others, but weaker against Leaf-nin.
- Before accepting anything more binding, should we/Hazou/Mari go to Mist? See how the situation really is? Surely Ami has minions that we can use for information, not?
- Mari, can we use this as a contest submission? Ami wanted to give Asuma a formal treaty with Mist, so could this count too?
- Listen to their opinions on the proposal and situation
- Implement the plan
- Noburi
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- Potato land
Well, you know me, I like aggressive tactics. I also get the impression that Yasuji is in this alone and won't be eager to involve other people, as that would mean sharing the glory. I also think our position is a lot stronger than it might initially appear. Pretty much everything Yasuji is offering is only valuable to us, not like he can go sell his Koi or barrel seals to someone else. Meanwhile, while the stuff is valuable, we can live without it, and we do have alternatives.
I also can't help but suspect that there's something else going on here, some catch that we've yet to even glimpse, and I'd like to know sooner rather than later what it is. Between Ami conveniently getting called back in the middle of telling us about her world peace plan, wanting to talk to Noburi, and now this guy showing up a few hours later, it's all way too convenient. I'm not sure if this is Ami wanting to play us, Yasuji wanting to play us, some combination, or a completely different yet unrevealed player, but I'm rather uncomfortable taking all of this at face value.
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- Yes.
something something Asuma loyalty test something something screaming in paranoid faflec
- Location
- Potato land
[X] Action Plan: Best Alternatives
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1. Yasuji
Goals
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1. Yasuji
Goals
- Get more information.
- Gain an upper hand in the negotiation.
- Play bad cop, let Mari be the good one.
- Demeanor: Carefully neutral, calm, business-like. Yasuji's more comfortable in casual settings, use this against him.
- Broad narrative: His offer's credibility is suspect, there's little we need that he's offering, and we're his only buyers. On the other hand, our seals and jutsu are of incredible value, enough to score first in Asuma's contest.
- Praise him, one Clan Head to a future one, for bringing this offer to us so quickly following Ami's departure. Very resourceful.
- Subtext: He's somehow involved.
- Question why the Wakahisa elders want to sell clan secrets to traitors.
- Push him on how much authority he was given to make binding promises to us.
- Don't commit to anything. State that he'd interrupted a clan meeting unannounced: we'd like to continue.
- Be ready to calm Keiko if she loses patience with the proceedings.
- Goal: Decide how you can help Ami and how to get it past Asuma
- Observations:
- Ami's unlikely to die. It'd piss off too many people for not much benefit. She also wouldn't go back so easily if she thought this was a real possibility.
- However, both Asuma and Ren have an interest in declawing her.
- What kind of resources do we have?
- Hazou's relation to Ren through Hana.
- The Nara's influence on the Mori.
- Naruto and his connection to KEI.
- Hazou notes that Ami's escort arrived just as she was explaining her world peace plan to him.
- Would Asuma be open to establishing a Leaf embassy in Mist?
- We also need to brief him on the contents of our discussion with Yasuji, ASAP.
- Implement whatever we decide on.
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- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Personally getting Noburi or Hazo stationed there would be good since we could send reports back to Asuma via summoning realm
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- Yes.
I'd argue that, assuming the Wakahisa barrel thing is an actual issue and not something Yasuji's pulling out of his ass, we do need it. 3-4 years work on a bloodline-related project is something we'd need Orochimaru/Kabuto for, it'll be hard to do that without FOOM or insane value we can't guarantee, and by the time we FOOM it'll be at that 3-4 year point. I'm not willing to kill/steal Wakahisa barrels due to the risk of war if/when we're caught, and Yasuji is probably the best way to make a deal we have. Now, Hazou may or may not elect to say this exact part out loud, but it'll be in the back of his mind and that concerns me. Maybe instead say "there's very little he's offering that we actually need"?
Also: Keiko will object strenuously to us saying, or implying, this part due to the Ami thing.
Clarification: Could you explain this part? Is this meant to emphasize how much more power we're getting or something like that?
I'd write a follow-up explaining that even though Noburi may not be able to make a Wakahisa the clan secrets are still secrets due to the risk of developing counters, among other reasons. Though the fact that Wakahisa are 'made' might be a clan secret in and of itself...
You know what, scratch this part.
Wait, does this mean Hazou is pushing him without consulting with the rest of the Gouketsu? Because that is pretty concerning...
I'd add "through Hana" since Ren likes us through her relationship with Hana moreso than through us.
I'd echo Oneiros' statement about a Summoner being there, but I'd disagree that Noburi or Hazou should be the ones to be there. Maybe we could send Neji?
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
Perhaps a random Nara? It would help them keep in even better contact with the Mori, and if any clan could make the best use out of having an agent in Mist it would be the Nara. It's not really a spin, but it might get the Nara to back the idea.
Other than that, if we could find a Gōketsu-loyal clanless nin who is good at social, making such a person ambassador would be an amazing opportunity to have them continuously negotiate with Mist clans/civilians for trade deals with the Gōketsu.
Would you mind putting at the end of the plan that we do in fact go to Asuma and get permission to make a deal if it seems viable? Or are we planning to make that the start of the next plan if we think Yasuji is on the level?
[X] Action Plan: Best Alternatives
- Location
- Europe
[X] Action Plan: Best Alternatives
Her letterto Keiko somewhat implies that there is a chance that she can fail to get herself out off this. So downplaying any further help seems unwise. Also what does "she wouldn't go back so easily" mean? Was she supposed to fight Mist ninja?
Me thinking she might need help's our help might be wrong, but believing that she is manipulating us and Keiko is also pretty weird.
Also maybe send someone (Keiko/Akane?) to inform Naruto while we talk to Asuma?
Her letterto Keiko somewhat implies that there is a chance that she can fail to get herself out off this. So downplaying any further help seems unwise. Also what does "she wouldn't go back so easily" mean? Was she supposed to fight Mist ninja?
Me thinking she might need help's our help might be wrong, but believing that she is manipulating us and Keiko is also pretty weird.
Also maybe send someone (Keiko/Akane?) to inform Naruto while we talk to Asuma?
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
[X] Action Plan: Best Alternatives
Looks solid to me, though I feel vaguely like it might be better to lean on Mari more in some way, but I am unable to articulate that into a tangible avenue of improvement. It feels workable and responsible overall, though maybe we should include a line in the clan meeting specific to Noburi?
Looks solid to me, though I feel vaguely like it might be better to lean on Mari more in some way, but I am unable to articulate that into a tangible avenue of improvement. It feels workable and responsible overall, though maybe we should include a line in the clan meeting specific to Noburi?
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- Potato land
I can change the phrasing. Point is, Noburi's barrel is not an immediate life-or-death concern, we can do without it, and we have options there. Push comes to shove, we can make it a priority research project between Kagome and Hazou. We can also reach out to the Wakahisa at a later time with an offer. Yasuji's deal is far from the only solution to this problem.
I suspect Keiko won't like this strategy, which is why I have a bullet point about Hazou expecting it and having a counter ready. Ultimately, we're doing the correct thing here, and I have some confidence that Keiko can behave reasonably and not sabotage us
To emphasize how valuable our stuff is, yes, and also to play down the value of what Yasuji is offering by comparison.
I don't really get this. Hazou is the Clan Head, he has the ultimate authority to make deals in regards to the clan's resources. That should be clear to everyone in the room. What is not clear is whether Yasuji has this authority, and what the boundaries of said authority are. What is he allowed to promise, and what would the Wakahisa renege on?
I'm not sure the subtleties of this relationship are as clear to the clan as they are to the readers, but I can add it if it makes you happier.
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- Yes.
Wait, I'm confused. My concern is that the statement seems to have Hazou pushing Yasuji to make a deal without Hazou listening to any input from the rest of the Gouketsu clan, even if they have sound advice. But it seems you want to probe the limits of how much Yasuji can promise without his clan's input?
The latter is fine FMPOV, the former is not.
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- Potato land
Yeah, the latter. I rephrased to make that clearer.
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- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Maybe add something to the effect of "following Mari's subtle hints/methods/advice..." so that we're not just relying on Hazou's abilities, alone?
Edit: I'm sure there's a less wordy way to put it, but I'm drawing a blank because my brain is trying to beat its way out of my skull.
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- Yes.
"Play off Mari's cues"?