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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Shard said:
How does one make a Bridge collapse look like 'An Accident'? Anything well-built enough to last any amount of time is not going down to 'An Accident'.

Anyway, I like the idea of applying chakra acid animals and then adding some demolitions work which makes it look like an infestation. Damned chakra-animals, they're everywhere these days!
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Easiest method is to drop a massive rock that takes out the central pillar. It won't look like an attack because who could possibly attack like that?
 
It doesn't seem to me less ninja-oriented when a 1t rock falls onto the bridge direclty as opposed to a 10t (numbers completely made up) rock falling in the general vicinity of the bridge. Both are obviously act of ninja.

the Tesla earthquake machine is the only way we can reasonably make this not look like a ninja so far (and TBH - I wouldn't be surprised if earthquakes meant 'probably ninja' in mfd world)
 
Anderkent said:
It doesn't seem to me less ninja-oriented when a 1t rock falls onto the bridge direclty as opposed to a 10t (numbers completely made up) rock falling in the general vicinity of the bridge. Both are obviously act of ninja.

the Tesla earthquake machine is the only way we can reasonably make this not look like a ninja so far (and TBH - I wouldn't be surprised if earthquakes meant 'probably ninja' in mfd world)
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Oh, you were planning on a larger rocks, which allows a greater AOE but still has accuracy issues, instead of multiple smaller rocks, which fixes the possibility of missing but makes ninja involvement more obvious.
 
Why are we bringing Hazo to the battlefield? He's completely unnecessary and a liability.

What Kagome need is a Goketsu battle buddy.
 
I was thinking set up a skytower momentarily, eject the largest rocks that fit in the largest storage seals we have on it. Put an earth clone on the one on top. Disable the skytower. Instant high altitude bombardment with a clone that can use MEW at the last moment to increase the impact size significantly.

Set a few demolition charges to go off just after impact.
 
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eaglejarl said:
100kg of granite (assuming you're using MEW fragments) is 1.31 ft^3, or ~37 liters.
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Can we unseal many seals onto a skybase, merge them together into one solid block with earth wall (is that a thing?) then just let it fall as the skybase expires?

(theoretically - understood that we don't have many skywalkers for this mission)
 
We have access to whatever Leaf ninja we need on this, right? We should really consider all our available options.

Aburame - Sensor bloodline. (Insect scouts.) Insect control over some unknown distance. If this can be stretched far enough, could allow covert planting of stealthy explosives. Bugs are likely sacrificable.

Hyuuga - Sensor bloodline. (Byakugan.) Gentle Fist. Helps us avoid surprises within close range, lethal in direct melee.

Inazuka - Sensor bloodline. Scent & tracking. Nin-dogs. Chakra beast handling, maybe. Nin-dogs would be more obvious than Aburame insects, but might be smarter and/or longer-ranged. Would require time-delay explosives, though.

Nara - Thinker bloodline, of a different type from Keiko's. Shadow Possession. Helps optimize plans, Shadow Possession is a combat trump card.

Yamanaka - Sensor bloodline. Mindreading, possession technique. Might let us make it look like one of their own did it.

Akimichi - Multi-size technique. Soldier pills. On the whole, big & stompy; probably not a good option.

Uchiha, Uzumaki, Senju, Yasha: Sasuke and the S-rankers are too valuable to use here.

Hagoromo etc: Unknown capabilities, maybe worth looking into.

Non-Clan Ninja we know of:
Rock Lee. Nope.

Tenten. Thrown weapon and sealing(?) specialist. Might be able to make the "rods from god" or "ballista" concepts more viable.

Sakura. Known to be a good strategist, practical. I need to look up what we know of her combat skillset.

Anko. Jiraiya recommended her as reliable. Seduction/poison specialist. Not sure this is her mission.

Dr. Yakushi. Social manipulator & medic-nin. Probably knows more about Orochimaru's research than is really healthy. Probably too valuable to risk here, and unreliable besides. Also, we only suspect the manipulation half of the package.

Ebisu. Again, more useful to Konoha as a mentor than in a combat role & maybe not worth risking. Still, he's known to have a variety of exotic ninjutsu. Perhaps he'd have something helpful?

Haru. Seems to be a lightning/taijutsu user. Not really his skillset.

Kaiyo. Unknown skillset, but might be good as a political choice. May have original jutsu.

ANBU - we don't know them super well, but they ought to be the best of the best.

Our Clan
Keiko. Thinker bloodline, Pangolin summoning, Shadow Clone. Summoned Pangolin or Shadow Clones could be useful in much the same way as Aburame insects, but again, more noticeable. Can help optimize planning. Kagome stabilizer.

Noburi. Water element techniques, can sense through water or mist. Hiding In The Mist technique, chakra drain & transferral through water. Might be able to let us use the river for cover more effectively?

Mari. Infiltration & genjutsu specialist. Truth Lost In The Fog seems to be a wide-area genjutsu: despite its dangers, it might help us make this look like an accident.

Akane. Fire techniques, Kagome stabilizer. Elemental Mastery technique - boil or freeze the river? Destroy the bridge with thermal flexing? Not a huge amount of options here.

Hazou. Iron Nerve for seal recording & replay, taijutsu, decent Deception, The Hivemind. Feels kind of like we're gonna have to take him just to keep a handle on the mission, but he is the Clan Head and someone will have to be regent while he's on mission. Whichever of Noburi and Mari we don't take?

Natural Question: Does Konoha have an actual stealth expert somewhere?
 
[x] Action Plan : Dr.Skysquid or "How I learned to stop worrying and love the rock"

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  • Immediately after we leave Asuma's get:
    • 100kg granite scrolls prepared (as many as they can in two hours or 50, whichever is higher)
    • A plumb bob and some long rope/wire for it.
    • At least 3 skytower kits
    • Tunneler's Friends.
    • Available stupid boxes.
    • Kagome's choice of other toys.
  • Explain the plan to Asuma, ask for:
    • Thoughts on the plan.
    • A telescope rental (if we don't have one already)
    • A stealth specialist who can help us with infiltration, exfiltration, and aerial stealth.
      • Bonus for good night/distance vision.
  • ASAP after that: The Plan (Hazou, Kagome, and our +1)
    • Get within a few km of the target site, follow the stealth specialist's lead.
    • Head up as high as possible (ideally about 10km) use tunneler's friends to breath despite the thin air, and get onto a skytower to rest and scout with the telescope.
    • Choose some combination of the below to destroy the bridge, repeat until destroyed.
      • Stupid boxes in the forest upwind of enemy camps to start wildfires.
      • Target attacks by letting the plumb bob come to rest, and sighting down the hanging wire.
      • Drop payload at once on the granite near one end of the bridge.
      • Drop payload directly onto the bridge.
      • Start wildfires to provide cover for getting in close.
      • Use well placed directional explosives to destroy the bridge.
      • Make skywalkers in situ
      • Run from enemies.
      • Hide and wait.
    • Where payload is some variant/combo of the following, as chosen by Kagome.
      • 10 blocks in rapid succession.
      • 10 blocks, merged with a temporary MEW.
      • Cover payload with explosive seals on a long timer.
      • A single block dropped from a lower height, for precision delivery of seals.
    • Exfiltrate based on advice of stealth specialist.
[x] Action Plan : Dr.Skyfire or "How I learned to stop worrying and love the rock fire"

As above but with Akane sent out instead of Hazou.

Edit: This is very much a KISS plan:
  1. Medieval bridges are not going to handle earthquakes right next to them well, we don't need super precise targeting.
    1. I don't know how to model this more effectively but each volley will just introduce more stress fractures until the bridge breaks.
      1. Once an initial fracture is there, expanding it requires a lot less work. I'd be surprised if it took more than one good hit (On the granite outcrop or on the bridge directly) and a badly aimed followup (vaguely nearby) to take it down.
      2. Of course, we're bringing enough for at least 5 payloads and that's before we get to using wildfires as cover to get close and be more precise.
      3. Biggest issue is if there's a shitton of cloud cover or precipitation, but that also provides cover for getting close.
    2. Air friction and everything else is negligible, the rocks fall straight down, hence the plumb bob.
  2. Asuma knows the available forces of Leaf better than we do, so just asking him for someone to fit a role is good.
  3. Keep the plan flexible since we don't know what conditions we're entering into, we just have a bunch of good tactics that can fit various roles.
  4. Use our systematic advantages fully (we have aerial supremacy, gravitational potential energy, and explosives).
We really don't need to overthink this one. Just drop some fucking rocks.
 
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[x] Action Plan : Dr.Skysquid or "How I learned to stop worrying and love the rock"
[x] Action Plan : Dr.Skyfire or "How I learned to stop worrying and love the rock fire"
 
Not relevant to the current discussion, just a thing I was wondering if we knew the answer to:

Objects are unsealed into empty space in front of the seal. If there is insufficient space, this may cause a sealing failure. Imagine two puzzle pieces, extruded into thick blocks. If one is sitting in a box, such that the only way the other could fit would be in its "connected" orientation, could you unseal that second block into the box, or would that be likely to cause a failure?


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Follow-up questions: assuming a waterproof seal, can you unseal into a light mist? A thick fog? In the path of a water jet? Into a pool of water? A pool of mud?

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A more elegant restatement of the first question:

A glass bottle occupies most of a box. A wooden ship, smaller than the interior of the bottle, but larger than its opening, is held within a storage seal. The seal is placed exterior to the bottle, but within the box. What happens when the seal is activated? Does the answer change if the bottle is stoppered?
 
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You know, there's something to be said about how the Cold Stone Killers used granite to destroy the Hot Springs Inn, and the fact that we're using granite here would be a pretty strong indicator about who's responsible for this.

And, again. I don't think our aim is that good.
 
faflec said:
You know, there's something to be said about how the Cold Stone Killers used granite to destroy the Hot Springs Inn, and the fact that we're using granite here would be a pretty strong indicator about who's responsible for this.

And, again. I don't think our aim is that good.
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The entire point of doing it this way is that our aim doesn't have to be that good <_<, we try to hit a target the size of a small block with every force other than gravity being negligible. Shit will go down, and we calibrate with respect to down. (I'm pretty confident we don't need to even be within a small block levels of close. We have a lot of margin for error.)
Also, what makes you think any of the granite will survive in a forensically relevant way? These are tiny 1ft-ish cubes, dropped at 450 m/s. (Admittedly this is why we drop 10 at a time, since some of the energy will go to shattering the stones themselves.)
 
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Jello_Raptor said:
The entire point of doing it this way is that our aim doesn't have to be that good <_<, we try to hit a target the size of a small block with every force other than gravity being negligible. Shit will go down, and we calibrate with respect to down. (I'm pretty confident we don't need to even be within a small block levels of close. We have a lot of margin for error.)
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Wait, you want us to stay airborne for extended periods of time dropping rocks? What about the Iwa guards, won't they try to Skywalk to counter? Even if they don't, wouldn't they start making defensive barriers in response?
Jello_Raptor said:
Also, what makes you think any of the granite will survive in a forensically relevant way? These are tiny 1ft-ish cubes, dropped at 450 m/s. (Admittedly this is why we drop 10 at a time, since some of the energy will go to shattering the stones themselves.)
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Zabuza could notice granite shards despite our base having been literally obliterated with explosives. I don't see how your granite blocks will suffer more damage from gravity.
 
I mean, we can just give 3 or 4 plans to Asuma, tell him our ideas as to the pros and cons of each, and then allow him to choose which we execute.
 
Also, @faflec @Jello_Raptor Neither of you are making use of the resources we can requisition from Leaf either to make the mission more likely to succeed or to exfiltrate effectively. Please get flash seals or technique users and (various levels of ) earthquake seals or users. We're going up against Rock. It's stupid not to prepare against their element.
 
Cariyaga said:
Also, @faflec @Jello_Raptor Neither of you are making use of the resources we can requisition from Leaf either to make the mission more likely to succeed or to exfiltrate effectively. Please get flash seals or technique users and (various levels of ) earthquake seals or users. We're going up against Rock. It's stupid not to prepare against their element.
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Gonna make that edit, and flesh things out more, when I get computer access.
 
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