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The limit is only for clanless, clanborn ninjas switching clans doesn't go aganst that limit
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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It's not though, it's reaching at best. The children born of this deal will be trained to be a part of both the highest caste society has and elites even among the Uchiha as potential sharingan holders. They will quite literally be born into the greatest position you can be born in. By that same logic every political union of any kind between nobles and royalty in human history is slavery and rape. It's not like most of those women had a choice, it's not like most of their children weren't born specifically to be trained into a high level role in their house or nation.
The children the girls will mother will be the future leaders of their clan, that's not slavery no matter how you paint it.
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I'm sure we can beat them but there is a difference between knowing they are lying versus knowing why they are lying.
If Deceit handles both then that's great. But if it's only the former the situation quickly becomes awkward when some might insist on going through with the arrangement even if they desperately don't want to go through with it for personal reasons.
I think this could be mostly mitigated by only bargaining with and through the clan heads. Based on the groveling in the last update I'd doubt any clan civilian would want to overstep their bounds by talking to another clan head instead of their own except in absolutely dire situations. And in those situations, don't we want to help them anyway due to Uplift? Basic PR should be enough to curtail this behavior, IMO.
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But that's hard, clearly these people we've never met are completely terrified and we need to bring in a girl Hazo flirted with a couple times to break into their minds and prove their consent. That's totally the ethical thing to do here.
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So, neat little idea I had on discord for a legal thing we could put into place that would synchronize well with our retainership plans: make it possible for a ninja to do a mission 'on behalf of' another ninja, with the money being distributed as if the other ninja was the one who did the mission.
This would synchronize well with our retainership plans because we could offer people like Nakano the ability to do missions on behalf of us, with the payout being split between us. This means that the mission would get the 50% bonus and the refund from the conditional payments as if Hazou did it, but Hazou can spend his time drawing seals instead.
More generally, this means that clan ninja are incentivized to make arrangements for clanless ninja to do missions on their behalf. The incentive could be a cut of the profits, access to clan resources like mentors, or whatever else people bargain things with. The clans get the same money as they would doing mission by themselves with less effort because they can just bargain with clanless to do missions for them, and clanless get a measure of power in that the clans have to present a deal fair enough for the clanless to agree.
I imagine there are still certain incentive structures that would oppose this paradigm, but I feel like most people would find it beneficial. Clan ninja get to stay home and train even more, and clanless get bargaining power and get to do missiosn that aren't the scraps left behind by the clan ninja.
Obviously not a thing to suggest right now, but once Asuma's the Hokage we could start talking about it with the rest of Team Uplift and figure out if it's a worthwhile proposal to advance our goals like elevating the social and economic standing of the clanless.
This would synchronize well with our retainership plans because we could offer people like Nakano the ability to do missions on behalf of us, with the payout being split between us. This means that the mission would get the 50% bonus and the refund from the conditional payments as if Hazou did it, but Hazou can spend his time drawing seals instead.
More generally, this means that clan ninja are incentivized to make arrangements for clanless ninja to do missions on their behalf. The incentive could be a cut of the profits, access to clan resources like mentors, or whatever else people bargain things with. The clans get the same money as they would doing mission by themselves with less effort because they can just bargain with clanless to do missions for them, and clanless get a measure of power in that the clans have to present a deal fair enough for the clanless to agree.
I imagine there are still certain incentive structures that would oppose this paradigm, but I feel like most people would find it beneficial. Clan ninja get to stay home and train even more, and clanless get bargaining power and get to do missiosn that aren't the scraps left behind by the clan ninja.
Obviously not a thing to suggest right now, but once Asuma's the Hokage we could start talking about it with the rest of Team Uplift and figure out if it's a worthwhile proposal to advance our goals like elevating the social and economic standing of the clanless.
[x] Action Plan: Second Opinion, Please?
- Regarding the Uchiha deal: We want to have a clan meeting discussing it (including Naruto -- who will be the clan head at the time the deal takes effect). We also want to discuss it directly with Uchiha Sasuke. Both meetings should happen before any decisions are made. No agreement, tentative or otherwise should be given until this thing is thouroughly examined from every angle.
- The Mari situation:
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- TLitF's exact mechanics and her eye color changing appear to be related. Whenever she's used TLitF in the past, her eyes changed (grey to blue to green).
- Since her 'recovery', her eyes've changed color rapidly: green to brown to purple to green.
- TLitF's 'price' has been implied to negatively affect her mind. Could it be related to her recovery?
- Tomorrow morning, discuss with Noburi & Akane (high-security room).
- Akane: What happened in Leaf while we were gone? Anything related to Mari?
- Fill them in fully, including our thoughts and private conversations with Mari.
- Note: TLitF might get us killbox'd. Don't spread the information around.
- Ask their thoughts. Surely she isn't acting against our interests, but you're worried she's running some self-sacrificial ploy...unless TLitF makes her temporarily sociopathic? You're unsure; did she act a bit off after Tea?
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- Fill Akane in on land-clearing, as per our note.
- Include discussion on finding buyers; ways to improve the land, such as irrigation; as well as possible profits, like from chakra monster parts and lumber.
- Ask her to offer Tsunade ~25% profit if she'll help with legal/political problems.
- Send invitations for later this week:
- Shikamaru: Discuss Nara rebuilding/construction assistance.
- Team Nakano & Jinno: Offer them retainership.
- Check on the civilians.
- The Mari situation:
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Yes, this has been addressed. The leading plan mentions requirements of an escape clause for the women if needed, etc.
Raxner
The most dangerous man in an empty room
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Actually, yes, I would argue that. Three of the wives of Henry VIII had children who went on to rule England. They were still effectively his slaves, even if theirs was a luxurious slavery. Until he decided he was bored of them.
[x] Action Plan: Second Opinion, Please?
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- The Deep Blue Sea
(This is not a comment on any particular aspect in any particular plan, just a thing I noticed on a skim)
Surely the answer there would be "that's nice, Hazou does not want to be a father with you, and consent is a team game"?
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I am just very anti infringing on peoples minds and privacy for trivial reasons. We can confirm their consent the old fashion way a don't need to mind rape a bunch of girls
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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I think the argument is more this potentially gives a bunch of false negatives because "Literally reading your mind and sifting through memories" is a tad more invasive then "Do the squishy bits thing" depending on your perspective.
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[x] Action Plan: Second Opinion, Please?
Naruto's and Sasuke's inputs are both valuable, though I wonder if you're looking for anything specific from them. If either gives a hard disagree, then that's enough grounds for a No for obvious reasons. But what if Sasuke gives a go-ahead and Naruto is ambivalent? Or if both give a strong approval, would you then be OK with it going forward? It's probably good to confirm your stance going in. I, for example, am generally OK with the deal if the following are addressed:
Perhaps this plan should add a sub-point that specifies Hazo's general thoughts to direct the conversation. Ex. "approval from Hazo conditional upon the following being addressed: (list subpoints)"?
Naruto's and Sasuke's inputs are both valuable, though I wonder if you're looking for anything specific from them. If either gives a hard disagree, then that's enough grounds for a No for obvious reasons. But what if Sasuke gives a go-ahead and Naruto is ambivalent? Or if both give a strong approval, would you then be OK with it going forward? It's probably good to confirm your stance going in. I, for example, am generally OK with the deal if the following are addressed:
Perhaps this plan should add a sub-point that specifies Hazo's general thoughts to direct the conversation. Ex. "approval from Hazo conditional upon the following being addressed: (list subpoints)"?
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Emstar
The Shining One
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Seconded.
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Does it matter? If they're lying, they're out.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
So we have the following points we'd like to have ironed out:
Mari's Deal Plan said:
Specifically relevant to your point is "An active role in raising the kids." I don't see any kid that Hazou had an active role in raising not being at least moderately Uplift aligned, and probably not a crazy axe murderer.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your view here, but unless I'm mistaken you're pushing for spreading out the price between us and ISC at which point... the price is the same for the women whether they're spread out between four clans or one.
Jello_Raptor
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[X] Action Plan: Please No
