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Look, you asked for it, we delivered. Fortune favors the bold - up until they overreach and die horribly, of course.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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[X] The Kurosawa Blood
We can deal with Zabuza another time. Maybe we can send him a letter instead?
"Hey it's cool that you're alive, no hard feelings for ruining your reputation.
PS: The sky is the limit ;^)"
Let's concentrate on friend Hiashi and a Gai + Ami situation.
We can deal with Zabuza another time. Maybe we can send him a letter instead?
"Hey it's cool that you're alive, no hard feelings for ruining your reputation.
PS: The sky is the limit ;^)"
Let's concentrate on friend Hiashi and a Gai + Ami situation.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
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We know of at least one way from very early in the quest to make Zabuza come for us if the whole invitation thing doesn't pan out.
zap lunch
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Come to think of it, Ren probably have enough clues to piece together that her nephew invented skywalkers or at least played a role in inventing skywalkers.
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I can't disagree more with this. Chuunin exams were a monitored playground activity and we still almost fucked it up by misreading other peoples behaviour in crowds.
Sooo we conclude that making another huge crowd of ninjas that likely have strained relations and personal grudges with each other just can't go wrong.
(And, honestly @Vecht, your comment about @TarzanNn 'not being the only player here' is out of line. You're not the only player here either! Other people can totally say that they're worried some line of action will lead to a TPK and ruin their/everyone's fun, it's a valid argument. You jumping on them for it... is not.)
We invited almost exclusively genin/chuunin though. Those are low-stakes relationships that are unlikely to have personal history. AFAIK we only invided a couple jonin+ (Ami, Hana, Leaf people) that we know fairly well.
Basically, to invite any non-Leaf Jonin to a casual, free-form event, I'd like us to know what established relationships they have with any other people that are invited. If Zabuza and Kakashi murdered each others closest friends a couple months ago, we should not have them at the same party.
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You wanna elaborate on that, mate?
Emstar
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Hana has almost unparalleled ability to make Hazou believe whatever she wants him to believe.
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...so you wish to advocate complete cutting off of the two?
Is there something that I'm missing?
We've seen Hot Springs already. We should go to Bear.
The sooner we get the other party members killed off, the more screen time we get with Kagome.
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something something lighthouse something something become god or die of old age
Emstar
The Shining One
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No, I was merely elaborating on why I perceive some folks to have that opinion.
I don't think its a likely scenario.
I estimate danger levels of Zabuza Game Night to be on par with Normal Game Night. I estimate danger levels of Hana Convo to be significantly lower than that, personally.
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...wait, was that what your complaint was about? It was not at all clear to me from your original response.
Emstar
The Shining One
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( Oftentimes implicitly done via naming it a meme-vote.)
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So pretty much only the Kage that are neither allied with Leaf nor in talks to ally with Leaf. Great.
And what sentiment is that?
At some point this quest was named "A rational Naruto quest". It still is. So I don't find it at all weird that some people worry and complain when the main purpose of a plan seems to be to insert some "fun" crackfic level material into the story.
At least Oneiros provided some plausible reason as to why he wants this and how it might benefit us, (though I don't see how seeing how the Mist S-rank Zabuza interacts with a large groups in a tentatively amicable setting and the intel gleaned in such a way is enough of a priority to commit to this level of risk), but you and others seem to be purely basing all of this on how much fun it would be to read such a chapter or, you know, the tongue-in-cheek bribery stuff. Or at least I haven't seen anyone other than Oneiros communicate what benefit they expect this to provide to Hazou, Uplift, Goketsu or Leaf. At least the whole Ami thing always had the end goal of reconciliating her with Keiko.
You forgot whatever the unknown fallout will be for that letter she leaked. Still worth it at the end. Keiko's mental health is a very high priority to me at least.
[x] Training Hazou: Do Not Cancel Empathy Drip
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The last time I remember speaking about Hana, I used the term 'infohazard protocols'. The issue isn't that Hana is more capable of messing things up for the team, though I'm far from sure that she isn't, as much as it is that she has many plausible motives that result in her trying to do so, whereas Zabuza has few. Hana has neither positioned herself as an ally (she's harmed more uplift members than Zabuza has), nor has she seemed to at all backtrack after Jiraiya's aggression, or when we raised concern. Not only this, but the same issues in the plan that caused the last disaster seem unfixed in the new one. If Hana has no motive to stop her actions, and the plan avoids doing anything to move in that direction, not only do you not fix the problem, but you provide more avenues for it and risk cementing the framing in Hazō's mind.
In terms of benefits, the Hana plan seems remarkably sparse on them. It doesn't work towards fixing any of the issues there, it doesn't move Hazō any closer to being able to safely trust Hana, and the conversations don't seem like they'll have any payoff.
For Zabuza, there are a bunch of positive payoffs. Eg: it's balsy, in the kind of ninja way that's good for PR; it's a significant progressive emotional step for the team; it's a high level connection with Mist of the sort that could plausibly link to power; it's the kind of thing that would appease Ami. The risks seem both minor and like the kind of risks that Jiraiya would catch, or that would lead to a veto by Noburi or Keiko.
@Vecht You're coming across as unpleasantly aggressive. I appreciate the concerns but this is a bad way to communicate them.
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Have I ordered someone to do things? Have I said that everyone should share my opinion? I did exactly what you proposed: campaigned to change opinion of the thread because I consider the prevealing idea to be dangerous for Hazou and the quest in general.
What I did not, is snapping at someone because my opinion differs. Yes, I appealed to emotions of players, mainly because it seems to have the most considerable effect on decisions made right now. I don't mind having fun and neither I want to deny it to others. In fact this is the exact reason I posted this: I want the fun to continue!
You... may want to chill a bit. I'm sorry if I hurt your fealings somehow, that was not what I wanted. And, maybe I'm misreading something, but what I read here is a roundabout way to said 'Shut up!'
@Anderkent, thanks for taking my side here, you voiced most of my concernes.
And thanks to @faflec for keeping a version of the Kurosawa Blood plan without Zabuza section.
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Alright then. I kinda disagree with some of the benefits you posit re: Zabuza, but I do agree that the Hana section is rather sparse and otherwise suboptimal.
What would you suggest as additions to that part of the plan, then? I am more than willing to add them if they seem reasonable.