TaliesinSkye
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Well. That could work, but we're trying not to end civilization.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
I'm pessimistic about substitutions being used in combination with creating a Block or any other clever strategies that will stop the pain-train coming at us.
That said, I think theres something to be said about giving it a go. Losing is almost a foregone conclusion, but we can still draw this out and be a massive pain in the ass.
Also, we already threw down the gauntlet with this:
So it would be silly to just give up right at the get go.
(Also something about "Choosing the right victory." instead of some lame attempt to "Do our best" and/or utterly eviscerate Keiko emotionally/physically over some stupid ideological conflict. We are neither Akane nor Hana. Can we win the match? Probably if we're willing to risk enough to cheat/munchkin/manipulate our way there. Is that really a victory though? What does it tangibly accomplish at the end of the day?)
[X] Action Plan: To Not Go Quietly (No AdBlocker)
That said, I think theres something to be said about giving it a go. Losing is almost a foregone conclusion, but we can still draw this out and be a massive pain in the ass.
Also, we already threw down the gauntlet with this:
So it would be silly to just give up right at the get go.
(Also something about "Choosing the right victory." instead of some lame attempt to "Do our best" and/or utterly eviscerate Keiko emotionally/physically over some stupid ideological conflict. We are neither Akane nor Hana. Can we win the match? Probably if we're willing to risk enough to cheat/munchkin/manipulate our way there. Is that really a victory though? What does it tangibly accomplish at the end of the day?)
[X] Action Plan: To Not Go Quietly (No AdBlocker)
- Late afternoon the day before, after cheering on Ino and Shikamaru
- Run around talking to (high end) merchants, bars and restaurants. Get about half a dozen in on the "Advertisement Offer" thing.
- Offer: We will name drop you in our speech, in exchange for a 50% cut of your profits the next few days.
- Obviously you have much to gain: thousands will hear of your wares/establishment, and your customer base will skyrocket from curiosity alone.
- A relative of two Kage's would be able to charge far more and get away with it. We are being very generous. I'm sure your competitors would love to enjoy the benefits of our patronage in this manner...
- Make peace with yourself.
- You will lose. No seals, no breaking OPSEC, no insanely clever gambits that might be construed as "cheating" in this artificial scenario? You will lose.
- But that doesn't mean you aren't going to fight anyway.
- You threw the gauntlet down already, and Keiko answered. This fight has greater meaning to you than political strategy or publicity and showmanship.
- You'll lose, but you aren't going quietly.
- Run around talking to (high end) merchants, bars and restaurants. Get about half a dozen in on the "Advertisement Offer" thing.
- The Pre-Match:
- Speech (PLANMAKERS NOTE: HELP HELP HELP!)
- Include shout outs to the above "patrons" as appropriate.
- Speech (PLANMAKERS NOTE: HELP HELP HELP!)
- Battle
- Constraints:
- No seals except explosives. No Ghost Scales.
- Your mission? Survive. Extra credit: Kill the Pangolin and bruise Keiko a bit.
- Mythical best-case scenario: Win.
- Strategic Outline:
- Last as long as possible: run away, jump between trees (the Floor is Lava!) , swim through the dirt,etc.
- Generally be one annoying bastard to kill.
- While doing that: Litter the place with dropped explosives. Make sure they have to remodel this entire fucking arena after this fight is done.
- Try to get a good punch in on the Pangolin and/or Keiko before its over. Maybe throw Keiko out of the ring if you think you can.
- Surrender:
- Pointless to continue if you get a Moderate Consequence. This wisdom is self-evident to all ninja here.
- End the match on your feet. You aren't some schmuck.
- Constraints:
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- Location
- NY
Didn't canon Gaara not sleep as a result of having full access to the almost unlimited chakra of his beast? He also couldn't have needed to breath if his shield and armor were to work for long. I seem to recall another ninja who didn't need to eat or drink.
Kakashi is one of the most powerful ninja on the planet. His major limitation is his mediocre chakra reserves.
-and they still won't if told that this approach is just a storage seal wrapped in an explosive seal. Youthenizers powder their fuel and instantly disperse it over a wide area for simultaneous detonation. i.e. a fuel-air-bomb. This is just a flaming liquid being explosively splattered everywhere. It is obviously very different in both appearance and effect.
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Cariyaga
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Yeah... unless you can work it into a speech naturally, I don't really think it's wise to do obvious advertisement.
e: If you CAN work it in naturally it's fine, though.
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- Location
- Yes.
I question our ability to name drop merchants and their wares into an Uplift speech without it being obviously marketing.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
You can work it in anecdotally I think? "During my time back in Mist/There's some things I've enjoyed about being back in Mist..."
Mostly because I find the idea humorous. Plus, we need money to do things. We still have actual problems to solve which need money.
The speech is only "supposed" to be about Uplift insofar as thats what we said in that dialogue with Keiko.
She noted that this would be ineffective at doing what we wanted. Too cheesey and not the right tone for a pre-fight hype match.
I would agree. I don't think that preaching philosophy at a bloodthirsty crowd is going to do much of anything except be awkward.
Going for a big Shonen uplift speech thingy is going to be way too hamfisted.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Nah, eaglejarl (and Hazou) can make it work. I believe in them.
- Location
- Yes.
We shove our boatloads of seals at the Pangolins while they scream "TAKE OUR MONEY". There, problem solved.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
If you're drawing from canon, remember that the QMs are not beholden to anything in it they don't think makes sense or works with mfd. It's still possible that it exists, of course, but that kind of detail is exactly the kind of thing the QMs might look at, decide it doesn't belong, and nix without hesitation. We certainly can't assume it exists.
With Kakashi, I'll note that mfd is much more rocket tag than the slugfest Naruto canon tends to end up as. Chakra is still certainly important for protracted encounters, but if Kakashi-with-tons-of-chakra could solo entire countries then Kakashi-without-tons-of-chakra should still be able to solo any one S-ranker, which I don't believe is how he's modeled here.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
One of the actual problems this is supposed to solve is "Get rid of our dependence on the Pangolins for money."
Purely for reasons akin to "It deeply, deeply upsets Keiko." if there are no other compelling ones.
Don Corleone's right hand man told us to only use one casino, we did that and Keiko fucked it up for us by drawing attention to ourselves.
I think we're trying to meet with the Don soon to get this straightened out.
Oh look, it seems people in Mist have adblocker installed:
[X] Action Plan: To Not Go Quietly
- Late afternoon the day before, after cheering on Ino and Shikamaru
- Make peace with yourself.
- You will lose. No seals, no breaking OPSEC, no insanely clever gambits that might be construed as "cheating" in this artificial scenario? You will lose.
- But that doesn't mean you aren't going to fight anyway.
- You threw the gauntlet down already, and Keiko answered. This fight has greater meaning to you than political strategy or publicity and showmanship.
- You'll lose, but you aren't going quietly.
- Make peace with yourself.
- (Insert Voted in Speech Plan Here)
- Battle
- Constraints:
- No seals except explosives. No Ghost Scales.
- Your mission? Survive. Extra credit: Kill the Pangolin and bruise Keiko a bit.
- Mythical best-case scenario: Win.
- Strategic Outline:
- Last as long as possible: run away, jump between trees (the Floor is Lava!) , swim through the dirt,etc.
- Generally be one annoying bastard to kill.
- While doing that: Litter the place with dropped explosives. Make sure they have to remodel this entire fucking arena after this fight is done.
- Try to get a good punch in on the Pangolin and/or Keiko before its over. Maybe throw Keiko out of the ring if you think you can.
- Surrender:
- Pointless to continue if you get a Moderate Consequence. This wisdom is self-evident to all ninja here.
- End the match on your feet. You aren't some schmuck.
- Constraints:
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He has been described as, "Perhaps the most dangerous non-Kage shinobi alive."
So ask for introductions to other lieutenants. If necessary, just gamble anyway and make sure to deliver their share immediately. Perhaps even as it's won. It will be clear what is going on, and nobody is going to be rash with the Hokage and Mizukage's relatives. The worst-case scenario is that they tell the team to get out.
Wink at Ikeda. Burn everything. Do a Kagome dance complete with butt-wiggle.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
- Mechanical Outline
- Round 0: While on the podium, or before it: Palm a training explosive
- Round 1: Enter arena (supplemental),place a Taijutsu Block on Keiko (standard). It is inactive until and unless she is in the same zone. Substitute into her zone reactively when she enters the arena to activate the Block (supplemental).
- Round 2: (supplemental)Pantokrator's Hammer, (supplemental) activate Training Explosive, apply to Keiko and attempt to throw her out of the arena using the training explosive as additional propulsion (standard).
- Round 3: If ringing her out didn't work, try to take out her pangolin. This line of play is a losing one, but it's the only real possibility for victory.
- Round 0: While on the podium, or before it: Palm a training explosive
- Location
- Yes.
What if this doesn't happen? Like, what if:
- Bob wins initiative against Alice. Bob spends a Supplemental Action to go to the SW Wall, and a Standard Action to block all of Alice's actions this round. Bob rolls RW against Alice's Athletics, and wins.
- Alice can't do anything since Bob has blocked her.
- Location
- Snakesden
[X] Action Plan: To Not Go Quietly
Whether or not Kakashi wrecks countries with truckloads of saved chakra, Jiraiya definitely does, right? And don't forget, chakra storage also means Shadow Clones.
I think there are enough chakra-bottlenecked force multipliers that the point basically stands.
Whether or not Kakashi wrecks countries with truckloads of saved chakra, Jiraiya definitely does, right? And don't forget, chakra storage also means Shadow Clones.
I think there are enough chakra-bottlenecked force multipliers that the point basically stands.
- Location
- USA
@MMKII Just a suggestion
- The Pre-Match:
- Speech!
- We're happy to be here at the biggest international meeting. Our travels took us many places and showed us the beauty of the EN.
- Now, we get to see the strength of its people, not the least of which is our sister.
- Insert an anecdote about our travels (Ideally: text is how strong Keiko is, subtext is how terrifying all three Goketsu are working together)
- To Keiko:
- You're a very strong combatant, a shoe-in for the victory and a definitely rising star of the Leaf.
- But we're not going to give up or go easy. We know how strong you are. Show us what you can do.
- To our competitors:
- You were all very strong, you'll forgive us if we applied excessive force to ensure victory.
- After all, as they say, "overkill" is a word for paupers.
- Nonetheless, we hope that we will be able to forge bonds in the future as the respective leaders of our nations.
- Speech!
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
@eaglejarl @OliWhail @Velorien
By RAW, I don't think theres anything preventing you from setting up a block thats not in your zone? e.g. "Set up a RW Block to prevent anyone from casting MEW anywhere near me." that would block anyone from doing that within the range of the skill (perhaps once though if you have a kunai readied for the Block).
That in mind, would a Taijutsu (With Storage Seals/Macerators getting punched) Block to "Prevent anyone(Keiko) from using Summoning anywhere I can see." be viable?
By RAW, I don't think theres anything preventing you from setting up a block thats not in your zone? e.g. "Set up a RW Block to prevent anyone from casting MEW anywhere near me." that would block anyone from doing that within the range of the skill (perhaps once though if you have a kunai readied for the Block).
Block
To perform a block, declare what specific type of action the block is intended to prevent and make a skill check using an appropriate skill. The total of that roll is called the block strength. During the exchange, any time a character wants to perform the action that's covered by the block, he must roll against the block and meet or exceed the block strength to be able to perform that action. If he fails, he cannot perform the action in question. If he meets or exceeds the block strength, the action resolves normally, with benefits for extra shifts if the roll beats the block strength by a wide margin.
Blocks that affect one person can prevent multiple types of action. Blocks that affect multiple people can only affect one action. Example: "I want to prevent anyone from leaving the room" (multiple people, one action) vs "I want to prevent that guy from doing anything" (one person, multiple actions).
Unless stated otherwise, a block lasts until the end of the round. You can do it again on the following round, but you'll need to spend your action again and the strength of the block will be the result of the new roll.
It is possible to create a block outside of combat, e.g. when bodyguarding someone you could say "I am Blocking against damage done to my protectee".
In either case, the block follows the normal rules, including the fact that it ceases at the end of the round.
To perform a block, declare what specific type of action the block is intended to prevent and make a skill check using an appropriate skill. The total of that roll is called the block strength. During the exchange, any time a character wants to perform the action that's covered by the block, he must roll against the block and meet or exceed the block strength to be able to perform that action. If he fails, he cannot perform the action in question. If he meets or exceeds the block strength, the action resolves normally, with benefits for extra shifts if the roll beats the block strength by a wide margin.
Blocks that affect one person can prevent multiple types of action. Blocks that affect multiple people can only affect one action. Example: "I want to prevent anyone from leaving the room" (multiple people, one action) vs "I want to prevent that guy from doing anything" (one person, multiple actions).
Unless stated otherwise, a block lasts until the end of the round. You can do it again on the following round, but you'll need to spend your action again and the strength of the block will be the result of the new roll.
It is possible to create a block outside of combat, e.g. when bodyguarding someone you could say "I am Blocking against damage done to my protectee".
- If you are attacked from surprise…
- ...and you were doing something else that was taking up your full attention, then the block does not apply
- ...if you were focused on maintaining the block, then it does apply
- ...and you were doing something else that was taking up your full attention, then the block does not apply
- If you are attacked but are not surprised...
- The block works as normal -- you can choose to apply it, in which case you forfeit your Standard action for the round, or you can choose to do something else. If you choose to apply it, then it is in effect from the start of the round and will work against people with a higher initiative than yours.
In either case, the block follows the normal rules, including the fact that it ceases at the end of the round.
That in mind, would a Taijutsu (With Storage Seals/Macerators getting punched) Block to "Prevent anyone(Keiko) from using Summoning anywhere I can see." be viable?
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TaliesinSkye
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For pre-fight speech, I'd like to throw my suggestion from ten days ago in the ring as a base to build on:
"Coming back to Mist has made me reflective lately on everything that's happened, and how far we've come. Not just geographically, but how much we've grown. When we left we were terrified new genin, barely able to keep ourselves alive and expecting each day to be our last.
"But we came together. At first we just kept one another alive, but over time we built a bond and did something more important. We kept one another going.
"Keiko, more times than I can count you have saved my life, been there for me every time I needed help, and always given me your wise advice. You are brilliant, cunning, deadly, and you give absolutely all of yourself to the people you love. You are a stronger and better person than you know, and worth so much more as that person than as a tool for others to use. It has been my privilege to grow up alongside you during the darkest days of our lives, and I am and will eternally be proud to call you my sister. Before the gathered peoples of the Elemental Nations, thank you for all of it."
(Is the beginning part sufficiently compatible with the cover story? And any other suggestions?)
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Look, the most important thing we can do in a pre-fight speech is take advantage of the crowd. Have Noburi liberally bribe them again. On the stand, call Mist out again for the seal limitations and get the crowd chanting to see a real show. Get the drunken, bloodthirsty mobbed angry at their hero being screwed and their being stiffed out of the show of a lifetime. Put pressure on Mist to change the rules, at least for the finals.
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- Location
- Yes.
...doable, though given that we have to burn our entire turn on it we won't be getting any bonuses. Supplemental Actions on getting Macerators and Substituting to the arena, and our Standard Action to put the Block on...yeah, we wouldn't have acces to PH, gauntlets, and we'd have to Substitute since we wouldn't have the actions to get in view of the audience otherwise so we lose 2 die..we'd be rolling 40 + 3 + 5 - 2 = 46 + Aspects and fudge die, while Keiko would roll 40 + 5 = 45 die + Aspects and fudge die. We'd win more times than not, but it's close.