We're ticking along at snail speed while we wait for major plot development to happen.
So? This is a bad thing?

I don't get the appeal of [JK] Skip the month and get the numbers bumped up by ~120 XP. Who cares? The tournament prep isn't the only fish fry in Leaf right now, theres a year or so worth of idea backlog that needs to be put into motion.
 
So? This is a bad thing?

I don't get the appeal of [JK] Skip the month and get the numbers bumped up by ~120 XP. Who cares? The tournament prep isn't the only fish fry in Leaf right now, theres a year or so worth of idea backlog that needs to be put into motion.

I wasn't talking about the tournament. I am talking about Jiraiya becoming the hokage.

E: Also, don't forget that we still need to contribute to the pangolin skytower deal.
 
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There may be problems using elemental clones to cast shadow clone, not sure if it ever happens in canon, but I think my short comment didn't get across what I was trying to say. Noburi casts a water clone and gives it lots of chakra, then the water clone casts a shadow clone for normal cost instead of triple cost. Were you envisioning a technique hacked water/shadow clone? No one except Noburi would need to do this to avoid chakra penalties.

That's what I thought you meant - and while it's a fair point that Noburi's close enough to unique in this regard (there might be other weird bloodlines with similar issues, but he's likely to be the first in Leaf), my point was more about the exact scenario you've described: I don't see a reason why, if a Water Clone managed to activate the Shadow Clone jutsu, it wouldn't count as a copy of the clone (not of Noburi). So, just as stupid and sends the memories back to a being that can't benefit from them. So while elemental clones can hypothetically use element-neutral techniques (which the Shadow Clone seems to be), I doubt it'd work to give us any of the special benefits we want from it training-wise.
I'm sure Jiraiya knows at least one elemental clone technique, so he's technically able to test if elemental clones making Shadow Clones send memories back to the original ninja or not, but it's a lot of chakra to burn testing a weird edge case (especially since Noburi still needs to give his clones the chakra they use to activate their techniques).

I would guess, as it seems to be a straightforward and fair way for it to work, that he pays triple depositing chakra into the clones for them to spend, then they pay standard to activate jutsu (due to clones explicitly lacking their creator's bloodline abilities, so they have normal chakra networks: neither having an expanded chakra pool in their barrels or the extra cost to activate powers). For example, he could pay 150 chakra extra for a clone to then have 50 extra for it to use jutsu with.
 
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Quick interjection, I haven't read the full context so maybe this has been brought up.

  • Jiraiya's Shadow Clones
    • Would it be helpful if we have Noburi fill Jiraiya up from his own reserves to maximize his Shadow Clone use?
    • This would boost his productivity.
    • Noburi could in turn refill from Mari or Kagome or chakra beasts, if he needs to.

This smells a lot like an unholy combination of:
A) The Akane problem of treating other people's abilities/resources/agency as our own.
B) Noburi's unique concerns about being relegated to chakra-battery.

With the more generalized clone-farm idea Noburi at the least was also benefiting from it, but here we're going "you just do what you do best and let the real ninja work more effectively."
 
Quick interjection, I haven't read the full context so maybe this has been brought up.



This smells a lot like an unholy combination of:
A) The Akane problem of treating other people's abilities/resources/agency as our own.
B) Noburi's unique concerns about being relegated to chakra-battery.

With the more generalized clone-farm idea Noburi at the least was also benefiting from it, but here we're going "you just do what you do best and let the real ninja work more effectively."

Your point is reasonable, but I do feel there is a difference between "Hey, Noburi, you should top up us, your peers" and "Hey, Noburi, you should top up the bloody Hokage".
 
Quick interjection, I haven't read the full context so maybe this has been brought up.



This smells a lot like an unholy combination of:
A) The Akane problem of treating other people's abilities/resources/agency as our own.
B) Noburi's unique concerns about being relegated to chakra-battery.

With the more generalized clone-farm idea Noburi at the least was also benefiting from it, but here we're going "you just do what you do best and let the real ninja work more effectively."
You have a point. I'll add (check with Noburi first) later perhaps.
 
On a different tack, I'd love to find out why smaller villages outside Konoha exist instead of everyone living in the capital. This may be something good to change but with lots of political obstacles or every village acts as some sort of forward base or resource hub. Against Akatsuki, some decentralization is important, but ninja mobility + chakra monster danger makes centralization more attractive unless there's something we don't know.

You need villages for the farmlands.
 
Well, we do have this somewhat controversial Aspect which lets Hazou "melt a cynic's heart"...

That we'd be reenacting canon in doing so, assuming the role of Naruto, would be yet another step on the path to shounen protagonism.
I really like this. I am now all for plan Melt Tsunade's Heart And Make Her Our Most Steadfast Ally In Uplift.

We can keep the hat on Jiraiya and get uplift friendly legislation passed with her on a council seat, and we'll have her advocacy for and assistance in all sorts of uplift projects.

So who's with me?
 
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Rough draft of plan
Am amicable to edits (I don't... really care so much about the Akane thing. At least I dont think its a priority.)


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[X] Action Plan: Get the Ball Rolling.


After dinner
  • Hazou will ask Noburi, Mari, and/or Jiraiya for girl advice.
    • Hazou explains the (now fixed) Akane Situation to each of them.
    • Hazou is very glad that Akane is dispelled of any thoughts of them "Never being friends." and is really glad that his response of "They will always be friends." seemed to fix the issue.
      • Gee, what a silly thing to worry about.
    • Regardless, he asks for advice on how to better navigate such complex social situations.
      • In particular, he doesn't want to fuck up his relationship with his girlfriend again.
Next day
  • Meet Ebisu
    • Train Alertness based stuff.
    • Have him run you ragged.
    • Get some jutsu.
Next Evening Hazou talks to Jiraiya:
  • We have some ideas.
  • Caravan Scroll Proposal:
    • Decently sized caravans equipped with large amounts of storage scrolls would be able to transport trade goods overland very quickly and in very large amounts.
      • This is doubly true if we (Kagome, Jiraiya, and Hazou) can work on a much larger capacity (volume/mass) storage scroll variant.
      • We should put a decent amount of effort into making such a seal if its reasonably viable.
    • Could mitigate or even solve the trade issues Jiraiya talked about yesterday.
    • This may also provide us a good in with the Merchant Council if we provide them first opportunity on lucrative trades, and are the first to outfit them with a large amount of storage scrolls very cheaply.
      • We can sell these to other countries we want
  • Clan Head Votes(Is there anything Hazou specifically can do about the following?)
    • Tsunade can take up the mantle of the Senju clan head, and could leverage support for Jiraiya's reign.
      • Obviously she doesn't want the hat herself
      • However, in exchange for her support, you can agree to commit some resources on areas (medical,research, relief work) she wants to focus on.
      • This is potentially a great short term gain, for what may be a long term annoyance or inconvenience.
    • Sasuke
      • He is currently the Uchiha Clan Head, correct?
      • Is there any way we can secure the Uchiha vote? Maybe play off the Hyuga/Uchiha rivalry?
    • Are there any other minor clans that we can contact to try to persuade? Clans like the Minami?
  • Jiraiya's Shadow Clones
    • Would it be helpful if we have Noburi fill Jiraiya up from his own reserves to maximize his Shadow Clone use?
    • This would boost his productivity.
    • Noburi could in turn refill from Mari or Kagome or chakra beasts, if he needs to.
Misc:
  • Hazou and Kagome do more Casino Seal research
  • Hazou spends any free time refilling seal loadouts as per this list

I propose editing this to go for full disclosure with Tsunade about our long term uplift goals, the stuff that most people would think is hopelessly utopian or wouldn't support because they only want their nation to get better and not everyone's. We can show how her well known desires for things like spreading medical knowledge to everyone regardless of nation are compatible with the ways we want to better everyone's lives too. With that done we can propose that we forge a political alliance to build a better world for everyone together, a world where there isn't another war and all the preventable suffering is actually prevented and society is free to grow into something more knowledgeable, wealthier, more developed, and generally better for everyone. Not just for one nation, and not just for ninja, but for everyone.

If she's on the fence we could point out that no other Hokage would likely ever be willing to entertain something like this, so this is an incredible opportunity that will probably never come again in our lifetimes and so it needs to be seized with everything we have now for the sake of hope in a better future. And if that doesn't work we could even promise to throw a sizeable part of our personal fortune toward uplift projects she'd support, like putting together a proper university for teaching lots of medic-nin (along with all sorts of other useful things, including things that could make non-ninja useful researchers and inventors and providers of all sorts of services that will better society like medicine and counseling and engineering and so on) and promising to put her in charge of it if she wants the job. She could spread knowledge of medical arts to hundreds of students and save tens of thousands of lives without ever having to see a drop of blood. (Do we know about her blood issue, or if it's a thing in MfD?)

We'll have to be careful about opsec when talking about uplift plan specifics if they come up, but I think we can manage that. (Also I imagine Tsunade has good security clearances, we could ask if it comes to it.)
 
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I fully support this. Have you considered limiting it to just Hazou himself? That way, we wouldn't have access to mechanics for jutsu or bloodline stuff Noburi, Keiko, and Akane know without having them explain it to us in detail in a plan. Some degree of balance would need to be maintained between that and other concerns though, like delegating party XP expenditure to us.
I don't really think that's worth it. It'd slow down the story's pacing a lot.
 
I am now all for plan Melt Tsunade's Heart

So who's with me?

Yeah, sounds good to me.


[Χ] Plan: Melt Tsunade's Heart
  • With Youthenizers
Adhoc vote count started by Vecht on Sep 17, 2018 at 10:06 PM, finished with 305 posts and 12 votes.
 
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