Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Ami did not like this.
Ami will remember this.
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Lowkey Mari probably kills Yuno when we go missing if we don't bring her with us. We can grab her when we win, and otherwise she'll fuck things up. The heartbreaker would make that decision in half a second
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Yeah, there's also the fact that it's quite risky to massively empower Yuno right now.
A summoning scroll on top of Orochimaru's ninjutsu would propel Mari from Elite Jōnin to actual S-Rank ninja.
Jounin Aura also means enough CP for a Boss Summon probably. Are the Otters part of the Dragon War?
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Yep. Mari would come in with a massive positive reputation from being Hazō's mom.
It's also worth noting that the Otters really need iron, which we can supply in strategic-quantities….in exchange for ninjutsu or Boss Summoning privileges, of course.
How exactly are we going to clear it with Enma that we get the scroll instead of Kurenai or Konohamaru or whoever? I'm not against it but I'd like to know how we're persuading him. I don't think us being Asuma's first spouse is actually going to hold much water. Also, opsec.
We're not doing this. Remember the last time we tried to provide strategic quantities of materiel to a Clan in exchange for loot?
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The Otters are pretty peaceful, to the extent that they're a large part of the anti-Pangolin alliance. They need iron because they're a tool-using society with little access to the resource. Plus, they already have a supply of it from the human path.
This is categorically different from providing the most xenophobic and militant clan on the path strategic amounts of a game-changing weaponry that they didn't have before.
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Ami left, and has no right to complain.
Seconding this.
I don't care if they say they need it for tools, buildings, or even life-saving medicine. No resources in strategic-amounts.
Then I'm happy to provide them with finished iron tools after we make sure Cannai or whoever doesn't think there's any obvious pitfalls to doing so.
If they lack iron, then they can just repurpose the iron tools into weapons. It's not hard to do. There's only a little difference between starting from a finished iron tool vs. an iron bar.
I don't think it's going to matter either way. We can't supply metallic iron, just purified iron ore. So unless they can smelt it themselves, they're out of luck.
That's a point. Copper, maybe, but the weaponization issue remains.
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They're an advanced tool-using society. Why would they not be able to smelt it themselves?
It depends on if they were receiving ore or finished iron in trade. Likely, they were receiving the finished iron, as it's easier to ship. In which case they'd have little native smelting capacity.
This is not to say they can't figure it out, but there wouldn't be any preexisting tradition of iron-smelting to draw on. So things would go much slower than they otherwise would.
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Yeah, we'll do due diligence before we propose anything, keep quantities low, and pace deliveries to keep us in firm control of the process.
Mari's specialization is literally infiltration, so I have supreme confidence in her ability to check whether things are on the up-and-up. Getting this kind of information is literally why we have infiltration-specs.
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She's not gonna prioritize Leaf over her husband. She's just going to be really upset and resentful.
Also, are we going to take Mari with us just as a bodyguard (given that we most likely don't plan on doing any socializing) even though she can't reverse summon? I guess if we don't just go on the Otter Scroll hunt as an excuse but actually manage to get it we might try teaching her on the run.
Why are we acquiring intel about the world? Acquiring intel about the world might include info on our loved ones being tortured.
Maybe I'm just not willing to actually put everything on the line? I'm more than fine putting ourselves/Hazō on the line. And it seems appropriate for Kagome as well.
I'd allow Kei in her current mental state to put herself on the line, but while she is pretty awesome, her utility to this particular seems marginal compared to a) Noburi or Mari and b) everything she'd be sacrificing (which might just include what remains of her relationship with the Pangolin). Also, it wouldn't just be Kei, but also always Snowflake. And if they don't just happen to both equally agree to go missing then one will end up feeling at least partially dragged along. And all this doesn't even take Ami's reaction into account.
I am even more reluctant about Noburi. I don't see how the Gokētsu as a concept would survive it. On a smaller note, it would harm his marriage so much. And he also is the most integrated into "normal" Leaf life.
Mari I am ambivalent about. It's kind of a mess of pros and cons in my mind.
That's where we draw the line while sacrificing everything else to the necromancy race?
Also, we learned that oaths are really really important on the 7th Path. We can just put in a rule that they are not allowed to use any iron armaments forged with our iron offensively outside their core territory and aren't allowed to sell it to anyone who doesn't agree to the same terms.
It may be worth having them start study summoning right now, so they are ready-to-summon as soon as we find scrolls.
Kei is a current summoner who learned without a scroll, makeing her uniquely qualified to teach this.
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Considering the last time we provided strategic amounts of resources to a Summoning Clan, it led to the invasion, colonization, and enslavement of the Condor Clan? The illegalization of Condor Culture, forced assimilation into the Pangolin caste system (as second class citizens at best, slaves at worst)? And the Condor Rebels are being forced off their ancestral lands, and made to resettle a genocided Summoning Clan's land?
Yes. We have to draw a line somewhere, or we become the very thing we seek to prevent.
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I extremely don't care about the Goketsu, if their safety comes at the opportunity cost of Uplift's survival.
And, just in general, I think that making Mari useful to her new Otter summoning contract is much more important than setting up a context-agnostic rule about meddling in the affairs of the 7th. (Because, again: Uplift's survival has opportunity costs.)
And, just in general, I think that making Mari useful to her new Otter summoning contract is much more important than setting up a context-agnostic rule about meddling in the affairs of the 7th. (Because, again: Uplift's survival has opportunity costs.)
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The Gōketsu are a legal fiction for Jiraiya to have his found family be respected by law. That's all it's ever been. As such, it actually embodies the principles of the clan to abandon it, if staying means removing the chance of seeing our family again
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Point of order, but we are currently providing strategic amounts of iron to the Otters via deliveries to Toad, and have been ever since turtle massively jacked up their prices half a decade back.
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It's apparently quite dangerous without a scroll to study off. That Kei managed it is a small miracle. Still not worth the Monomaniacal waste, but...
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I mean, we have plenty of scrolls. Are large parts of the training about learning specific aspects of the scroll you are going to sign? Not sure how that would work considering how black boxed the process is to even Hazō….It's apparently quite dangerous without a scroll to study off. That Kei managed it is a small miracle. Still not worth the Monomaniacal waste, but...
Oh, yeah, now that I think of it:
@Paperclipped @Velorien @eaglejarl
What names are signed above Hazō's on the Dog Scroll? Assuming he only rolls it back far enough to not be concerned about the risk of seeing the first name.
We know that Chizuru, Sanchi, Banri Yahiko, and Hidenori all came before Kakashi but we have absolutely no idea the order nor who else there was.
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Generally this can't be done for [reasons], it causes unknown problems when you don't have an unbonded scroll to attune to while studying usually (Kei and the Takahashi are exceptions ig)
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Wait, do you have to kill a scroll owner to take over their position?
My understanding was that the reason people don't get pre-emptively trained is that the odds of being able to use that training are incredibly low. Are you going to pull Captain Kakashi or Gai (among the least important people who could provide that training) off the mission roster for several months for that?
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