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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Noumero said:
Tell some inconspicuous civilian to give this letter to Shikamaru if you observe this happening"
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Can't really do that w/o spoiling some of the OPSEC on leaving.....

No, I guess we could do it as a nested set of orders. The first being "open this IFF Hazou has been gone for 2 months" then proceed from there. Gaku seems like a good bet.
_The_Bomb said:
Having a "We don't negotiate with terrorists" policy doesn't work until you prove it, often at great cost
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Yeah. We're going to have to do this. Sorry.
 
Sir Stompy said:
105 XP remaining (after accounting for SC XP this update)
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Since we have 100xp remaining, we should go ahead and buy a combat stunt for Cloak. I know that there was still some amount of discussion about whether or not to go for Substitution or RRBs for Kei, but I know that the Frozen Skein + Cloak combat stunt was pretty well-received. Perhaps we should vote that in?
 
RandomOTP said:
Since we have 100xp remaining, we should go ahead and buy a combat stunt for Cloak. I know that there was still some amount of discussion about whether or not to go for Substitution or RRBs for Kei, but I know that the Frozen Skein + Cloak combat stunt was pretty well-received. Perhaps we should vote that in?
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Yeah the debate was RB+Wind or CFS+Wind, we wanted to wait until the results of the RB kunai testing came back to vote it in.
 
Chakra Seeking Seal
When activated, this seal is physically pulled towards that most prominent chakra source it can sense, excluding the chakra of the person who activated the seal. This effect ends after a few seconds
"most prominent chakra source" is naturally a function of Chakra quantity and distance, because chakra diffusion is like that.

Intended use case is to make homeing weapons. And eventually work towards autonomous kill-drones.
Veterancy from our Chakdar seals.

Oposition-Oriented Propulsion Seal (OOPS)
Shuriken Launch And Guidance
Shuriken Homing and Reactive Propulsion Seal (SHaRP)
Chakra-Homing Autonomous Destruction Seal (CHAD) reserved for future upgraded version(with better IFF and longer duration)
 
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Shrooms said:
This is literally the plan of every leaver. No one but Itachi makes a huge bold statement that they're missing now, they just don't come back. I imagine it'll take ~6 months of not returning to be declared missing (we were gone for more than 2 and no one was suspicious.) And we'll need a few months of officially being missing for it to be believable, I'd say at least 2 or so. And since we don't know when we will need to strike Akatsuki (who knows how quickly they will research the rift), better to be labeled as such on the more conservative amount of time IMO.

So my thinking is we leave and don't return, and are labeled missing about 6 months in. Once the rep sets in we're then free to act whenever we need to do so.
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Note that assuming we go missing in 3-4 months, we can probably stretch our return to up to a year from now without people declaring as a traitor. We would just need an excuse for why we got stranded somewhere for so long. Thats 8-9 months of "freedom" and the associated XP, plenty enough to get a lot of shit done.

Not saying its definitely enough to achieve our goals but it might be feasible to still go back to Leaf afterwards depending on our progress.
 
Shrooms said:
This is literally the plan of every leaver. No one but Itachi makes a huge bold statement that they're missing now, they just don't come back. I imagine it'll take ~6 months of not returning to be declared missing (we were gone for more than 2 and no one was suspicious.) And we'll need a few months of officially being missing for it to be believable, I'd say at least 2 or so. And since we don't know when we will need to strike Akatsuki (who knows how quickly they will research the rift), better to be labeled as such on the more conservative amount of time IMO.

So my thinking is we leave and don't return, and are labeled missing about 6 months in. Once the rep sets in we're then free to act whenever we need to do so.
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Well labeled missing or labeled dead, until they have intil that a missing nin was spotted somewhere despite the fact they should have gone home ages ago, a lot of missing nin are likely initially labeled as "missing in action, presumed dead"
 
Shrooms said:
This is literally the plan of every leaver. No one but Itachi makes a huge bold statement that they're missing now, they just don't come back. I imagine it'll take ~6 months of not returning to be declared missing (we were gone for more than 2 and no one was suspicious.) And we'll need a few months of officially being missing for it to be believable, I'd say at least 2 or so. And since we don't know when we will need to strike Akatsuki (who knows how quickly they will research the rift), better to be labeled as such on the more conservative amount of time IMO.

So my thinking is we leave and don't return, and are labeled missing about 6 months in. Once the rep sets in we're then free to act whenever we need to do so.
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My expected timeline is more like ~2 months of "scroll hunt" with weekly 7th path check-ins with Leaf. then we report we're going to try something dangerous(risk push deep into the crimson island dungeon?) and just... stop checking in.
If we can get our bosses to play along, we then get another month or two for leaf to quietly investigate and decide we're either dead or missing.

I don't think a 6-month long "scroll hunt" will pass muster.
 
Left-Hand Mutant said:
If we can get our bosses to play along, we then get another month or two for leaf to quietly investigate and decide we're either dead or missing.
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I mean, we could ask Cannai to echo what the Snakes said about Orochimaru, when we thought he had died: "we are not accepting Summoners at this time."

It's nice, neutral, and allows the listener to assume grief.

Cannai's on good terms with us, he'll probably play along. Pantsaa and Gamabunta, though... maybe, maybe not. Pantsaa's just a matter of what would benefit him the most, and while Gamabunta isn't terribly fond of Noburi, the Toad Sages are, and might be willing to lend their political clout... besides, Gamabunta and the Toad Sages pedate the Hidden Village Era by a long while, and they know what's at stake with the Dragonwar. If we explain to them that we need to be missing nin to safely practice/level our lithosealing in order to fix the Great Seal, they'll be more inclined to listen.

Fake Edit: I maintain we should consult the Toad Sages about this, by the way. They have centuries of experience about this, and helped Jiraiya out a lot. The Toad Sages could provide new avenues that we haven't thought of (maybe "leave and research" or "stay and become a pinata" are false dichotomies), or help us optimize whatever we do decide.
 
[X] [MissingNin] I would vote for something else.
[X] [MissingNin] I vote for Hazou to stay in leaf.
[X] [MissingNin] I am undecided as to whether I would vote for Hazou to go missing nin from leaf.

Here's the timeline I'm leaning towards right now.

  • Stay in Leaf until it starts interfering with our PS research.
    • Explore whether Akatsuki risk can be mitigated through Seventh Path pressure, Naruto's AMITY plan, building up Konoha's strength, Orochimaru, storing notes and doing prep on the seventh path, etc.
  • Leave Konoha on extended missions such as scroll hunts so we can conduct research outside of Akatsuki's reach.
    • Return back for brief visits between missions to the extent that it maximally benefits us and does not interfere with our research.
    • Maintain FOOM growth as high as possible.
  • A month or two out from beginning overt Akatsuki assassinations, arrange with Naruto to massively escalate our perceived conflicts and then stop returning to Leaf.
  • Begin utilizing WMDs against Akatsuki members, starting with Sasori if possible.

I'm not completely sold this is the best path forward, but I'm currently leaning towards it. It might turn out that it's best to attack Akatsuki with the full might of Konoha for the added chance of success, or to accompany a Naruto, Tsunade, Ami delegation to Pain and SPEECH him into making sure Itachi was correct about preserving AMITY. Or perhaps their research will stall and it'll be best to go full FOOM (likely going back to regular Konoha status with the occasional dungeon delving for shinies).

Given what EJ said, it's likely being missing wouldn't even give Konoha protection from our actions; if it is useful for Akatsuki (and Cloud and Rock if AMITY gets involved) to target Leaf then they will, irregardless of our status.
 
Not saying that the following would work, but simply as a seed to open up discussion a bit:

"Gaku, I [and name(s)] are going off to find the Otter Scroll because apparently all the other Leaf clans are too damn lazy and we're not going to sit on this even if they do. The research I've done says that the area is fairly safe, but just in case something bad happens and [I / we] don't make it back, here is a document defining the Gōketsu line of succession and a series of 'final message' letters for various friends and family members. Those letters should be sent ONLY if I'm declared dead. Seriously, some of the contents are embarrassing so do not send them unless you're sure I'm not coming back, okay?"

~some months later~

"Lord Nara, this is the 'final message' letter from Lord Gōketsu to you. He suggested that the contents might be embarrassing, so it might be wise to open it in private."

~Shikamaru goes to a private room and opens the letter~

Dear Shikamaru: Well, looks like I bit it. Guess I got too cocky, huh? Without me [and <names of people who went with>] I'm not convinced that the Gōketsu will survive, so I'd like to offer you a deal: adopt all of my civilians now and all of my ninja as quickly as you can, prioritizing the ninja over any other potential adoptees. In exchange, here is a sealed envelope containing all the Gōketsu shinies; if you agree to adopt everyone then go ahead and open the envelope and get the shinies. If you don't agree, please burn the envelope. Obviously I can't enforce this deal from beyond the grave but I'll trust you to be honest. You're a good man and I'm glad to have known you. --Your loving brother-in-law, Hazō
 
That would have been a better plan before we pissed in his cereal by accusing him of killing Asuma (even though he definitely did).

I think we should leave this message to Ino.
 
I feel like we can just shovel some resources at Shikamaru and Ino and trust them to figure it out when it happens after some "Hey, can you take care of my clan if for some reason I bite the dust horribly? Thanks." talk.

SHIKAMARU: Ah. Well, that explains why we had that conversation...
INO: *sniffs*
CHOUJI: Oh boy, scene time!
SHIKAMARU: Not now, Chouji.
CHOUJI: *retroactively disappears from scene*
 
eaglejarl said:
Not saying that the following would work, but simply as a seed to open up discussion a bit:

"Gaku, I [and name(s)] are going off to find the Otter Scroll because apparently all the other Leaf clans are too damn lazy and we're not going to sit on this even if they do. The research I've done says that the area is fairly safe, but just in case something bad happens and [I / we] don't make it back, here is a document defining the Gōketsu line of succession and a series of 'final message' letters for various friends and family members. Those letters should be sent ONLY if I'm declared dead. Seriously, some of the contents are embarrassing so do not send them unless you're sure I'm not coming back, okay?"

~some months later~

"Lord Nara, this is the 'final message' letter from Lord Gōketsu to you. He suggested that the contents might be embarrassing, so it might be wise to open it in private."

~Shikamaru goes to a private room and opens the letter~

Dear Shikamaru: Well, looks like I bit it. Guess I got too cocky, huh? Without me [and <names of people who went with>] I'm not convinced that the Gōketsu will survive, so I'd like to offer you a deal: adopt all of my civilians now and all of my ninja as quickly as you can, prioritizing the ninja over any other potential adoptees. In exchange, here is a sealed envelope containing all the Gōketsu shinies; if you agree to adopt everyone then go ahead and open the envelope and get the shinies. If you don't agree, please burn the envelope. Obviously I can't enforce this deal from beyond the grave but I'll trust you to be honest. You're a good man and I'm glad to have known you. --Your loving brother-in-law, Hazō
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If team uplift is thought to be dead(not missing), the remaining Goketsu probably expect to survive fine with being absorbed.
Also, this would require a Lot of adoption tickets, and the KEI would much rather re-absorb the Goketsu into themselves.
And, again, our turn clanmates probably prefer to be KEI than Nara.
 
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MMKII said:
I feel like we can just shovel some resources at Shikamaru and Ino and trust them to figure it out when it happens after some "Hey, can you take care of my clan if for some reason I bite the dust horribly? Thanks." talk.

SHIKAMARU: Ah. Well, that explains why we had that conversation...
INO: *sniffs*
CHOUJI: Oh boy, scene time!
SHIKAMARU: Not now, Chouji.
CHOUJI: *retroactively disappears from scene*
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Honestly given the concentration of Summoners in our clan, 'the majority of us just die because of Dragons' is a great cover for this sort of contingency.
 
MMKII said:
I feel like we can just shovel some resources at Shikamaru
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  • Test interaction between Jiraiya's Instant Darkness seals and Kei's shadow techniques.
  • If it's already useful, give it to them.
  • If not, develop it into something that is.
Try Trading For:
  • Ninjutsu at the level you'd see in a Minami exchange?
  • Nara knowledge on jōnin auras?
  • Information on interesting locations?
  • OPSEC-aiding sealing and techniques?
  • ????
MMKII said:
and Ino
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  • Allow Ino access to study the TH notes we obtained from Orochimaru.
  • ???
Try Trading For:
  • A resolve-boosting technique.
If they don't already have it, it is still solidly within Ino's intended TH specialty and she will likely be able to develop something that works.
 
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FaintlySorcerous said:
Honestly given the concentration of Summoners in our clan, 'the majority of us just die because of Dragons' is a great cover for this sort of contingency.
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I dont really think this holds up to scrutiny tbh.

I really get the appeal for some sort of galaxy brained "Use DRAGONWAR to fake our deaths" plan, but this becomes incredibly sus post-Crusade, and we cant even do it during the big showdown anymore since Akatsuki will be there now.

There are other complications here too. I think it just has way too many moving parts to not fall apart.
 
MMKII said:
I dont really think this holds up to scrutiny tbh.

I really get the appeal for some sort of galaxy brained "Use DRAGONWAR to fake our deaths" plan, but this becomes incredibly sus post-Crusade, and we cant even do it during the big showdown anymore since Akatsuki will be there now.

There are other complications here too. I think it just has way too many moving parts to not fall apart.
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Clarification: I mean as a smokescreen for setting this contingency up in the first place.

We should just dip on a mission.
 
Left-Hand Mutant said:
If the uplift is thought to be dead(not missing), the remaining Goketsu probably expect to survive fine with being absorbed.
Also, this would require a Lot of adoption tickets, and the KEI would much rather re-absorb the Goketsu into themselves.
And, again, our turn clanmates probably prefer to be KEI than Nara.
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Adoption tickets aren't required for interclan adoptions, only clanless to clan
 
[X] [MissingNin] I would vote for something else.
[X] [MissingNin] I vote for Hazou to stay in leaf.

A little late. But my vote.
 
Shrooms said:
This is literally the plan of every leaver. No one but Itachi makes a huge bold statement that they're missing now, they just don't come back. I imagine it'll take ~6 months of not returning to be declared missing (we were gone for more than 2 and no one was suspicious.) And we'll need a few months of officially being missing for it to be believable, I'd say at least 2 or so. And since we don't know when we will need to strike Akatsuki (who knows how quickly they will research the rift), better to be labeled as such on the more conservative amount of time IMO.

So my thinking is we leave and don't return, and are labeled missing about 6 months in. Once the rep sets in we're then free to act whenever we need to do so.
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Crunbum said:
Note that assuming we go missing in 3-4 months, we can probably stretch our return to up to a year from now without people declaring as a traitor. We would just need an excuse for why we got stranded somewhere for so long. Thats 8-9 months of "freedom" and the associated XP, plenty enough to get a lot of shit done.

Not saying its definitely enough to achieve our goals but it might be feasible to still go back to Leaf afterwards depending on our progress.
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I would say far more than this. honestly as much as time as we need or until the Akatsuki comes knocking or we give him a signal. After all, Naruto is in on the conspiracy too, as long as we give him a sensible and belivable lie he'll be more than willing to play the part for us: after all, if things go bad(Ex, Akatsuki finished the work early, before we attack) he would strongly prefer to have all that power(4 Scrolls + an Elite Jounin + an S-rank Sealmaster) return to Leaf.
Just give him enough proof to show he wasn't involved in our departure and we're a rogue actor, he can decide when and if to reveal it.(Or reveal it only to the Akatsuki, if he so decides).
 
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Ugh, I can't wait for today's update to come out. We need to know if we need to level BoC to 20 (blerg, pyramid/xp waste), or if we can bootstrap our hecking big ES level to it and be fine.

Also, the blatant Snowflake/Hazou bait we gave Velorien :p
 
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