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We might get squished, if you know what I mean.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Which might get us more TYS!
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If no one else remarked on it yet, then I think it's notable that chakra wires ganked a Dragon given that they're detectable. Either the Dragons can't detect them or they're as dumb as Kakuzu.
We can buy ourselves some wiggle room maybe, but he doesn't suffer fools gladly. Five bucks says that's his trouble aspect, actually.
I don't think that Orochimaru is going to agree to play nice if we're stupid, full stop. We can probably buy ourselves some wiggle room but there's no actual enforceable penalties in these contracts and he's not going up successfully radically alter a key element of his personality with a 100% success rate overnight even if he wanted to due to internal motivations.
We can buy ourselves some wiggle room maybe, but he doesn't suffer fools gladly. Five bucks says that's his trouble aspect, actually.
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Which might get us more TYS!
I read through some of your Sasha build and Kei build. I don't understand any of it but I thought it was really cool that you did all of that work. Seemed like you put a lot of effort into it. Very cool : )
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All of this is great, but when do you expect that we should lobby to get Sasha access to Shadow Clone? And what would be a fitting excuse to get it for her?
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+1 for interest in an official QM answer to this question.
There is only one other highly detailed master and apprentice relationship I can think of:
...and I doubt we want to foster such a relationship with Orochimaru as our sensei.
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I honestly don't think she'll be able to get Shadow Clone until she hits jonin. That's when most people get it... indeed, if they get it at all.
Kei got it through being Naruto's friend, and he (pretty blatantly) pulled strings to get it for her, even though Kei was a chunnin.
Akane got it to help Kagome decrypt Jiraiya's spymaster notes for Asuma, because Leaf was horribly crippled after the Collapse and the Battle of the Gods.
Hazou got it for OOC reasons (as a QM apology for... something, I forget what).
And Mari got it because Leaf was crippled, militarily, and Mari learning Shadow Clone would mean that Leaf got another jonin on the combat roster.
And Kagome's only about to get it because of the looming existential threat of the Dragonwar. And Asuma, as seriously as he was taking the Dragonwar, was still reluctant to give Kagome access to the Shadow Clone jutsu.
Could check hazou's memory (of time or remaining sand in hourglass), or use iron nerve of how long oro spent answering questions in the nominally 1 hour session. As an indication of how oro reacts to less concrete deals (since he reserved the right to end early).
Also, reminder that oro has an entry on the character dossier
Also, reminder that oro has an entry on the character dossier
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You can't change their size once drawn but you can draw them smaller to start with.
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I kinda want to make a seal-resizing-seal so that the next time this comes up we have to add even more qualifiers to the explanation.
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Sorry I've been rereading the threadmarked story and just got to the point Jirayah died. My immediate response to your comment was
"With J-man dead, who will keep Oro in line now?!?"
And then I remembered we have never spoken to Orochimaru a single time while he was alive. Ooops. Recalibrating brain now.
Yes. Tower representitive might be helpful. Might also annoy Oro and reduce the success of whatever we're attempting. Safety vs Success margins. Probably still worth. Tower is actually meaningful now hopefully, compared to when Asuma was scared of him.
Yahoo! Fun fun weekend.
Intimating "throw pointy thing" skill carries over directly to "shoot gun" was a mistake. Intended to convey the "why did this land here, not there" 'sub-skill' carries over and has to be high to hit inch sized targets with pointy things at 100 yards. Like kinesthetic awareness, discipline and managing diet macros carrying over if a top athlete changed sports. A ninja who could nail 100 yard targets on center with kunai is only stopped from hitting 1000 yard targets by arm strength. Ideal throwing conditions help. Their mastery of putting spin on a kunai, accounting for wind and drop off from gravity - factors that are less crucial for closer stationary targets - would not transfer directly. But they amount to a lower bound on accuracy using rifles, supposing an appropriate training period, process of trial and error - learning how to shoot, diagnosing if misses were because of a twitch, or rifle defect or environmental conditions.
Would be appreciative if you could think of and vote for the least intrusive background-ed experiment to verify your skepticism.
There are answers to this. Iterate in rock, make final designs in metal. Iterate in metal but more slowly, with custom rock molds, smelted iron ore. If there are extraordinary challenges standing in the way of sealtech rifles working, it would give me peace of mind to verify that - with minimal intrusion on other scenes in a chapter - before discounting them.
Skepticism is understandable if you think this investment of effort is like flipping a coin 50 times and needing to hit 50 'heads' to get a pay off. And it makes sense not wanting to flip for such low odds if flipping has a cost or even if it is free because it clutters up the story. But please make the effort to consider if it truly is like 50 uncorrelated flips or more similar to 5 groups of 10 highly correlated flips instead or even if some of the flips independently 'pay for themselves' if they land 'heads.' Like enhancing Kagome's trap fields, despite not making it all the way to rifles.
Feels metagame-y.
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Or just make the barrels out of some type of stone or ceramic chosen for natural resistance to heat and impact (hardly uncommon properties in rocks, easy to test by using slabs as practice targets and doing side-by-side comparisons of damage from identical attacks), reinforced and pre-stressed with internal ribbons of ultratensile diamond arranged in a pattern inspired by Isanese basket-weaving: Geodetic airframe - Wikipedia
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Kinda yes but also the idea of a spinning projectile being better than not shouldn't be alien to anybody. There are examples of throwing darts stabilized by feathers since before writing. I dont think using the barrel to make the projectile spin is too outlandish, if we have trouble affecting the projectile more directly. Probably not the first idea we'd have, but I don't think its metagame-y to expect somebody (coughHazocough) to run into the idea at some point during the process.
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Is the Kangaroo Summoner part of the Color Cabal? I'm uncertain if they would leverage an existential threat (like the Dragons) just to get access to Hazou's seals, but... wait, who am I kidding? This is Marked for Death, and ninja culture is cheaty-cheaty, stabby-stabby. Of course they would. The Uchiha Clan killed the Clan of Souldrinker Exterminators for the Hawk Scroll, after all.
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There's pretty much no evidence in favor of it. I was gonna post a similar crack theory that ochre is the kangaroo Summoner bc the color is an unusual one but used for both of them (the color of Kangaroo skies/smoke is ochre). But one is a man and the other a woman so even that very tenuous connection doesn't seem to be accurate. (Also it would probably be a sucky secret identity if your secretive color name was so obviously related to your real identity)
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@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @Paperclipped
Nominally, these are restricted Tower ninjutsu. However, Akane was able to receive these as a chunnin.
Hazou has also gained access to several restricted Tower jutsu, of varying levels of restriction, in the past (Shadow Clone, Earth Rend, etc).
Given these data points, when does Hazou expect to be able to get Phoenix Rebirth for Sasha, assuming he doesn't spend political capital to do so?
Answers May Include:
- Hazou has no idea, and wouldn't hazard a guess. Send a letter to Naruto, offscreen, and you'll have your answer.
- Hazou thinks that he can get P.B. for Sasha once she's an experienced Genin.
- Hazou thinks he can get P.B. for Sasha once she's a becomes a chunnin
- Hazou thinks he can get P.B. for Sasha once she's a jonin.
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Thank you! ^.^
I am very hyped about getting access to Sasha's character sheet, and I've had a lot of fun plotting various builds in my free time.
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I don't really think she should get both burning vortex and TJ. It makes about as much sense as Noburi getting TJ imo. The half-AB bonus to TJ is not very good and as a secondary stat TJ would be outpaced by burning vortex for the same role in a fight, close quarter combat. A secondary attack stat should cover something you can't already do, e.g. long range attack if you're generally a CQC fighter, AOE attack for crowds, etc. As a ninjutsu spec she wouldn't have trouble with getting a secondary attacking jutsu, and for half cost unlike TJ.
There's also some danger to using both flame Aura and burning vortex - if they're both active and she takes the minimum damage for a consequence, 3 stress, she will first need a mild to reduce her overflowing stress track, burning vortex will inflict a mild and as the slot is filled it will turn into a Medium, and Flame Aura will do an additional amount of stress, which even at Effect 2 will instantly give her a Severe, giving her all 3 consequences at once from just 3 stress. If she takes more than 3 stress she might just be incinerated instantly.
Somewhat fortunately, you can dismiss burning vortex early, but it costs a supplemental every time you want to do this which is not great. BV has an easy-to-hack advantage on its jutsu statblock so I would see if Reo can get rid of the self inflicted damage part before committing to using this and Flame Aura at the same time.
My desired route for Kei is similar but beelining FS 40 RW 59. Physique 40 is certainly good but she's going to get it from PCJ for free and she's close enough at this point that there's no rush to me.
We do need to ask if she's satisfied with her deceit skill now though. Which, I guess since we're already pinging the QMs with so many questions...
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Is Kei satisfied with her deceit skills at the moment? Or at least persuaded by the idea that the best social defense is being strong enough to solve social issues Jiraiya style
She's only a few months off from comfortably jonin attacking abilities, at which point we can pivot to bolstering her defenses more...
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That's true. With Taijutsu, I was thinking that we could leverage RRB and Macerators to allow Sasha to punch higher than the baseline stat would normally allow.
But yeah, makes sense. Maybe a Ranged Ninjutsu as a primary, and then a closer ninjutsu as a secondary?
Hm. True. Once Reo is done with his apprenticeship, maybe we can ask him to talk a look at it (while also stressing "bruh, don't kill yourself on this, it can be delayed until your THing stat is higher.")?
Otherwise, Napalm Shot is an altered version of Fire Bullet, which has a pretty low chakra cost. Additionally, if it kept Fire Bullet's range, then it would serve as a good primary Ranged Attack option.
As for a secondary attack stat, Fire Lash is a pretty expensive, but has a weapons rating, a Reflexive casting speed, and can target 2 different enemies.
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I mean between the two of them [Fire lash and burning vortex] I think Fire Lash is just better? 55 CP isn't nothing but IMO it's 100% not too expensive to use even for an academy grad with CR 10. I think it would be fine as a primary.
I think in general CP is hardly a concern for 1v1 combat in a system where most fights are decided in the first or second round. Barring special exceptions such as Clan Bosses that require like 500 CP to even summon, or Shadow Clone that splits the chakra evenly, costing more chakra is usually an upside as it allows the technique to be better in other ways at the same quality level.
Since we do use SCs though (well core team uplift barring Noburi does, I assume Kagome will get it soon too), I think we are very interested in techniques that cost very little CP since it means being able to summon more clones that use them simulatenously, without running out of chakra.
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YES. OH MY GOD. YES.
I NEED TO SEE A ROLL WITH BOTH EARTHSHAPING AND UWBW IN IT
I NEED TO SEE A ROLL WITH BOTH EARTHSHAPING AND UWBW IN IT
I feel the main advantage of guns would not be ninja v ninja combat, but civilian v wildlife. Would require that the guns/ammo could be mass produced, and would not help against probably even half the threats that death world can throw at you, but it's a whole lot more effective than spears and arrows.
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Except this then leads to civilian vs ninja, as with the civilians able to defend themselves from chakra beasts they'd start to ask real quick why they're tithing anything at all.
This leads to the entirety of ninja civilization turning against the clan handing out ~~crossbows~~ sealtech rifles. It's a fantastic means of uplift, but one that will instantly put us on a war of extermination against the entirety of ninja culture