It matters if the plan happens to include giving them infinite resupply on any goo bombs they use.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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@Sir Stompy,
@Twinnstars,
faflec,
Inferno Vulpix,
@_The_Bomb,
@acidshill,
Nebulus
What do you think about changing the trade deal to something akin to "Hazou and Ino come to an agreement about a reasonable allotment of monthly Goo Bomb seals, for a duration of one year?"
Hazou-pilot knows the minutae of his available time better than we do, and they can work it out amongst themselves.
Because she wants them for her genin? The genin are the ones that she's concerned about, so that's what this trade deal is working to address. If we expand it to include her chunnin, then that adds to Hazou's workload.
If she wants to expand the deal to include her chunnin, then we can make another deal... but until she mentions wanting it, I'm content to leave them be.
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I prefer the idea of not having a specific number of seals as it lets Hazou be flexible in deal-making.
So it's basically because it would make Hazou's life harder and/or because Ino wanted it for her Genin only?
Personal opinion says that as long as Hazou gets a good deal out of it (ie an appropriate reward for the loss of his time), I don't really care if Ino changes it to "Genin + Chunin".
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Sounds good, will wait on the others to reply.
Mostly the latter, for me.
If Ino brings it up, then I'm at least willing to entertain the idea. Worst case scenario, we pull a Skywalker Tax and dedicate a bunch of shadow clones to it for a day or two and then lock the pile in the Goketsu Vault until it's the first of each month.
I think this would be an improvement. It doesn't make sense to sell an unknown and variable number of seals for a fixed price when we can simply... sell a fixed number of seals. If she wants more later she can negotiate to buy more.
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My difficulty here is on the simulationist side. The players can shrug and not care, but the qms have to actually care about the Goo bomb sale improving the success rate of missions - the amount absolutely matters, and we should be the ones to determine the scale of the deal rather than offloading that to the qms.
I'd prefer offering something specific as well as acceptable limits on bargaining for Hazōpilot. Ten goo Bombs a month per genin on the Yamanaka roster for 12 months in exchange for as many of the following has Hazō can swing, for example. I'd also be okay non-chalantly proposing to her if she toes the clan secret line. Our shadow clones can get married if nothing else.
•Intensive personalized mental/soul defense training, the same Ino's likely to get/have
•Any ...outsider records their vault might happen to contain. Ninja.
•Yamanaka manpower, would be great infrastructure for planning A day. They're the info-specs, if we need to distract akatsuki/keep tabs on them, this is the way to go
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On the one hand, the mere existence of a Path Drain in the Pure Lands means that something is very different between here and there, in a way that we can't really say all that much about. On the other hand, skywalkers still worked there until the Path Drain sucked all the chakra out of them, so clearly chakra still works over there aside from the deleterious effects of the Path Drain.
I have a few ideas for things we could test, seals we could make, that each might ward off the Path Drain. We could go back to the chakra-dense cave in Honey and see if we can make seals that are resilient to its effect. We can try to make seals that can resist Vampiric Dew, either directly or though Mist Drain. We could try to make seals that ward off the influence in a given area and variants of normal seals hardened against intrusion. We can make a humidity-warding seal on the off chance that the Path Drain is just a massively-scaled-up Vampiric Dew.
The trouble is, we won't know which one of these will actually work until we know more about the Path Drain itself, which requires access to the Pure Lands again. We can prepare as many seals as we want, but the smarter route is probably to get intel on the Path Drain first and then work on whatever route shows the most promise.
I support this change.
While I agree that we shouldn't put a specific number in the plan that Hazou ties himself to, what ROTP is suggesting is that Hazou frames the contract as a supply of a fixed number of seals and Hazoupilot then negotiates with Ino about what the exact quantity is, which I think preserves ideal deal-making flexibility.
If we do this then your bottom concern is resolved. I don't care either way.
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Fine by me.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Is Primordial Sealing part of the Sealing domain? IE: If we do a project that's challenging to our Primordial Sealing level, will that suffice to overcome Sealing stagnancy? (Separately, would *acquiring* it count? It's doing something literally no one's done in a thousand years, etc.)
Additionally, I'd like to ask if this matches your understanding: Because of Asuma's orders (explicit or otherwise) regarding doing whatever he can to deal with the dragons, there is an expectation that Hazou teaches Orochimaru about Primordial Sealing, in absence of orders to the contrary from Asuma.
Additionally, I'd like to ask if this matches your understanding: Because of Asuma's orders (explicit or otherwise) regarding doing whatever he can to deal with the dragons, there is an expectation that Hazou teaches Orochimaru about Primordial Sealing, in absence of orders to the contrary from Asuma.
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Sounds good, keeping it at the limiter that it is.
The request for acceptable limits also fits within the previous plan's overall vibe.
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Any chance you can move/merge the "Supply is for genin-use only" to the next bullet point? Limiting the supply to Genin only isn't an OPSEC precaution IMO.
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Sure, no problem. Give me a minute and then refresh the page.
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I wonder if the chakra drain works similar to ragnas Soul Eater. If you don't know Soul Eater is a ability from the blaze blue series well it can be used actively it is also a passive ability only those who are real strong can resist it (though I also think that those with strong Wills can resist the effect though I really need to double check on that). So maybe people who are powerful enough can resist the chakra drain and high resolve might help though this is just a theory and is probably not the most accurate one in the world
I'm in favour of that change.
I would agree with you Faflec if Hazou knew what a good deal looked like. I don't know that he knows, therefore a fixed number of seal supply sounds more manageable/less risky. Inferno's got a point, having a specific number in mind is probably not a good idea (do we even know how many Goo seals Hazou can churn out in a day? do we even want to know, as it could be going too deep into boring details?).
Fair. Sad, but fair.
What do you expect/want to find in the Yamanaka vault? Are you looking for random lore?
That sounds like a good idea. Jutsus will be too expensive to provide benefits, but training will help. Also, "soul defense" might help us against the dragons, right? Do we know how their 'mind' attacks work? It didn't seem we could defend using Resolve, unfortunately.
Ami can already do it, though?
"Something is very different" indeed... still, the same way 'air pressure' and 'air' are two different things, I remain optimistic that we could test designs on the human and 7th paths.
Right. Information would be great. If we can do the expedition first, then yeah that sounds optimal. Though, if Kagome is done with researching his seals but Hazou is not ready with PS, then Kagome could probably jump onto this kind of test projects.
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I got a typo report that sent me back to Chapter 36, in which occurred this little snippet:
I think the quest might have gone a little differently without that particular horseshoe nail.
This, of course, is Mari spotting the tracks of some Isanese tapirs that had passed by. Had she failed that roll, y'all would never have found Isan. Or acquired the Pangolin Scroll. Or used the Scroll as leverage to join Leaf.
I think the quest might have gone a little differently without that particular horseshoe nail.
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Agony that desires to meet Extinction
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[X] Action Plan: Yuno, Ino, and Uplift
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Question and proposed answer are waiting in QM chat for signoff from another QM.
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I'm working an opening shift today, so my ability to hop on the thread before vote closes (~2.5 hours) will be hampered.
Summary of Plan
Summary of Plan
- Warn Uplift Team about Yuno's radicalism, ask Mari for help.
- Ino and Hazou work to trade Goo Bombs, and Hazou is making every effort to trade in good faith and play nice. Initial proposal is sanity checked by Mari.
- Noburi does some quick, Uplifty experiments to help clear our Uplift backlog.
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No. The Iron Nerve downloads any seal that it sees. A sealing failure is what happens when a seal blank doesn't properly turn into a seal.
No idea.
He can't see how a seal would have the necessary hundreds of miles range to be useful.
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I really like this, it was a reasonable answer to a reasonable question about the plan.
EDIT: I think according to the Velorien Update rules voting was already closed? IIRC? Would it be helpful if i just eliminate the vote?
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