Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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If Nara future predictions and logic were so foolproof, Leaf would be the peaceful despots of the continent right now. The fact that they aren't means the logic is not some Path to Victory or visions of the future; they are predictions made by biased humans that are not impregnable. The fact that shikamaru is attempting to hide behind the "objective truth of math" is abhorrent and makes me suspect many of the things he has done prior to this.
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We did do stuff to stop him; we explicitly attempted to make arguments against the use of EM Nukes.
You can argue, given that Asuma is an order of magnitude more powerful than us and any attempt to dissuade him via force would be pointless, that we did the literal best that we possibly could.
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I cannot stress Hazō NEEDs to having (second) missing-nin arc but to do this I think we need to prepare first, seals specifically for it and of course do it during the exams after all we can have a big speech about why you are doing this
Also this is definitely see something like this unlocking the Mangekyō iron nerve as this is like suicide to ideals this is against everything Hazō stands for if you ask me this here would be the perfect opportunity what power you would get well something that has to do with being able to stop other people's actions I'm making it that his own actions can't affect things
I cannot stress Hazō NEEDs to having (second) missing-nin arc but to do this I think we need to prepare first, seals specifically for it and of course do it during the exams after all we can have a big speech about why you are doing this
Also this is definitely see something like this unlocking the Mangekyō iron nerve as this is like suicide to ideals this is against everything Hazō stands for if you ask me this here would be the perfect opportunity what power you would get well something that has to do with being able to stop other people's actions I'm making it that his own actions can't affect things
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There's also the fact that Hazou wasn't read in on any of the progress reports concerning anti-EM measures. Makes me question how much the EM council really weighed into his decision vs Shikamaru.
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Funny enough, I'd make the argument that Leaf, not Isan needs to be wiped out for the good of the world. You know...given that they're the only ones using this civilization-threatening nuke.
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Despite the horror that was pretty awesome. The juxtaposition of a party and a local apocalypse is pretty dope
Also as upset as people are about Isan getting wiped out, I kind of agree with Shikamaru. If there were another viable way to suppress EM nuke then I'd support it over nuking Isan but tbh we really didn't have a good answer to preventing the apocalypse. IN MY OPINION, moral victory means nothing when it results in everyone dying.
As upsetting as it is that Uplift are the ones who came upon the nuke, Shikamaru is not wrong that someone else would've found it once Isan started handing it out, and ultimately I think it's better that it was discovered.
Also as upset as people are about Isan getting wiped out, I kind of agree with Shikamaru. If there were another viable way to suppress EM nuke then I'd support it over nuking Isan but tbh we really didn't have a good answer to preventing the apocalypse. IN MY OPINION, moral victory means nothing when it results in everyone dying.
As upsetting as it is that Uplift are the ones who came upon the nuke, Shikamaru is not wrong that someone else would've found it once Isan started handing it out, and ultimately I think it's better that it was discovered.
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There's definitely a values argument to be made there. These lives need to be protected regardless of the cost, for all lives are worthwhile. Hazō is the only person in that room who believes that.
Is that right Paper? Hazou went from "around halfway done" to "a little more than halfway done" with one research roll?
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We could have suicide SIN'd him and doomed the world to frozen hell and/or Dragolocalypse
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Oh and Shikamaru is angsting over how easily he makes the decisions that he was literally groomed to make from birth, possibly before birth if there are secret sauce jutsu that help moms.
My read is that this is legitimately the best path forward he sees.
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Two research rolls from his SC. He thinks his last estimate was an underestimate now.
Gotcha, I'm thinking this would be faster to complete with SSA then.
Edit: Also did we refresh FP this update? Looks like we began the update with 2.
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If Shikamaru thinks humanity's odds are that silm, I'd expect him to be *in favour* of moonshot plans like Pain's ritual.
Oh, I didn't know this. This makes nuking Isan much more viable.
Oof. He's got you pegged there, Kei.
Nice! How exciting!
Abnormal disappearances over the last year.... that's definitely a leak risk.
"kidnap and interrogate an outlying patrol" seems like a reasonable infogathering step for any number of parties who learned form spying on leaf the Isan existed, and wanted to find out more
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I think that was Leaf?
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Oh, that does indeed make fewer assumptions
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So, the current state of play:
We got new information in that meeting. EM OPSEC had been totally breached. Given that, I don't think it was possible to avoid this outcome given that we'd run the EM test. We weren't going to vote to believe it was a failure (it gives up too much of Akane's build and we would have never tested it again given the magnitude of the destruction) and there was nothing we could have said to convince Asuma of anything else.
This sucks. The part that was our fault was not taking sufficient precautions in testing EM. The rest of it flowed from there.
I'm worried about Kagome and Yuno. Kagome because he'll investigate, Yuno because we need to lie to her and Kei needs to lie to her.
Our paths forward are revivification and cooperating with Leaf, and revivification and cooperating with the Akatsuki. Both require revivification efforts. We can focus on the Conclave, and we can focus on revivification. We can throw ourselves into the work and try to maybe, maybe salvage some of this.
- We can still use EM against the Dragons.
- Isan is toast and other nations are going to realize this eventually.
- There will presumably be a coverup effort on the part of Leaf.
- Asuma presumably had a Yamanaka jonin rustle around the brains of the Isanese and pulled out any relevant lore. It may be filtered through Shikamaru first, but we'll get some material out of this.
We got new information in that meeting. EM OPSEC had been totally breached. Given that, I don't think it was possible to avoid this outcome given that we'd run the EM test. We weren't going to vote to believe it was a failure (it gives up too much of Akane's build and we would have never tested it again given the magnitude of the destruction) and there was nothing we could have said to convince Asuma of anything else.
This sucks. The part that was our fault was not taking sufficient precautions in testing EM. The rest of it flowed from there.
I'm worried about Kagome and Yuno. Kagome because he'll investigate, Yuno because we need to lie to her and Kei needs to lie to her.
Our paths forward are revivification and cooperating with Leaf, and revivification and cooperating with the Akatsuki. Both require revivification efforts. We can focus on the Conclave, and we can focus on revivification. We can throw ourselves into the work and try to maybe, maybe salvage some of this.
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Good news: Shin is about to become an S-rank sealmaster.
Bad news: Shin is still Team Uplift's archrival.
Weird news: Shin is a member of the AMI and now Ami has her own S-rank sealmaster.
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I'm not saying we should have suicide bombed Asuma & those ANBU. But we recently lost one of our anchors of mental stability and have done something that no matter how you look at it is directly contrary to the ethos of the world we're trying to build. I think that's gonna have consequences.
That was also how I interpreted it when I was reading the chapter, but it seems like one of the remaining proliferation risks is going to be those Orochimaru cultists that left the past few months.
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