Can someone please recap me on A-Day and why it sucks?

It involves us working with Akatsuki, the S-ranker group where at least 1 members hates us. We're going to somehow convince them to not kill us once we open the rift, in return for reviving Nagato first before all else, and hope that for some reason he will be good for the world and allow us to also revive Jiraiya...the one guy who stopped him and tried so hard to stop him that he gave up literal village secrets and made a multi-village alliance.

Not to mention that Akatsuki literally tried to destroy the world and have no reason not to do so again, given all the people that tried to stop them before are like...dead.

So it's....

A. Work with murderous S-rankers who don't like us. And have no reason to keep us alive.
B. Revive the all-powerful leader of the S-rankers and hope he lets us revive his arch rival/arch enemy
C. BTW these guys tried to destroy the world before.

It'd literally be better to do nothing and just let Jiraiya and Akane be dead forever.
 
Can someone please recap me on A-Day and why it sucks?
On the presumption that the Akatsuki are themselves working on necromancy and will, if left to their own devices, eventually complete it and resurrect Nagato, we can assume that Nagato will be resurrected unless we have a way to stop Akatsuki from doing necromancy.

On the presumption that stopping Akatsuki from doing necromancy is prohibitively difficult (because you'd have to kill them or something and they're too powerful for that), the question becomes how to ensure "Nagato gets resurrected" isn't a lose-condition for the setting.

Ami's solution to this is for us to find Nagato first, and resurrect him ourselves. By doing so, we aim to put him in a life-debt towards Hazou, which we will use to ensure Nagato's rise to power complements Uplift instead of contradicting it. Ideally this part isn't too difficult, because Hazou and Nagato are likely to find each other kindred spirits and something akin to Hazou's Uplift may even be Nagato's plans regardless if he doesn't have the means to pull off a second ritual. The life-debt thing just makes it more likely that when Nagato comes back he chooses something like Uplift instead of something like mass brainwashing.

In practice, following a strategy like this is most likely going to involve us searching for everyone of value we can find in the Pure Lands. There's no sorting algorithm here, we're just as likely to find Akane first, or Jiraiya or even Hashirama or something. If we find someone like Jiraiya first, we can adjust our plans on the fly to take advantage of any opportunities that emerge. Ami believes that someone like Nagato will be easier to find than your random schmuck because with his famed charisma he'll be at the center of whatever Pure Lands civilizations he finds himself in, meaning we just need to find one of those (presuming, of course, that they exist, but it's hard to imagine why they wouldn't) and ask around until we get a lead. This is still compatible with a more expansive search net, though.

I think this plan, or rather this overall approach to necromancy, is our best shot overall (as opposed to speccing hard into rift-moving sealtech or open-new-rifts sealtech, neither of which we know is actually possible at our current skill level). It requires us be fast, so as to beat Akatsuki to the punch, and sneaky so as to avoid the fail-state of "Akatsuki captures Hazou and takes over the necromancy project", but with good execution it's got a shot, which is more than I can say about any alternatives that I've seen.
 
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Really looking forward to hazou and sasuke flexing on their peers

SASUKE: Nice one cuz. But a shame I beat you by a few weeks.

HAZOU: Please, talk to me when you finish your first S-Rank mission.

SASUKE: Please, talk to me when you can beat a genin.

HAZOU: Talk to me when you become a Summoner and get someone else to do it for you.

SASUKE: Talk to me when you-

EVERYONE ELSE: ALL RIGHT, WE GET IT
 
Hmmmmm okay.

So what I'm hearing is "Rez all the dead leaf heroes/kage, Ami gets to complain if and when that goes badly"?
That's one possible outcome, yeah. If we go in this way, we'll be looking for anyone of value to us. If the first person we find is Nagato, we feel out the life-debt plan and see if we're willing to bet on it. If the first person we find is Jiraiya, we rez him and probably have him take the Hat back so we can put all of Leaf's efforts into this without relinquishing the project from Uplift's control. If the first person we find is Minato, we play it by ear and see what we can do.

Of course, maybe the first person of note we find is someone like Gaara, or Onoki, or Madara, and we have to figure out if they're of any help to us. What I like about the plan is that it leaves so many doors open and we'll be able to adjust on the fly as circumstances develop. If we have the first-mover advantage there are so many different ways we'll be able to turn that into more advantage that I like our odds overall.
 
That's one possible outcome, yeah. If we go in this way, we'll be looking for anyone of value to us. If the first person we find is Nagato, we feel out the life-debt plan and see if we're willing to bet on it. If the first person we find is Jiraiya, we rez him and probably have him take the Hat back so we can put all of Leaf's efforts into this without relinquishing the project from Uplift's control. If the first person we find is Minato, we play it by ear and see what we can do.

Of course, maybe the first person of note we find is someone like Gaara, or Onoki, or Madara, and we have to figure out if they're of any help to us. What I like about the plan is that it leaves so many doors open and we'll be able to adjust on the fly as circumstances develop. If we have the first-mover advantage there are so many different ways we'll be able to turn that into more advantage that I like our odds overall.
QMs: The first person you find is Bosatsu.
 
"This is between you and me," Asuma said conspiratorially, "but I've heard that the Hyūga have been preparing Neji for a similar promotion. They might be annoyed that you stole their fruits just before harvest. Maybe you could send Hinata a letter apologizing for undercutting Neji like this?"

"Ah…," Hazō said, "I wouldn't want to be rude like that."

Asuma winked.
@Velorien, do we have to explicitly vote in a plan to inform Noburi of this fact or is it safe to assume Hazōpilot will tell him as such?
 
Uhh crap what exactly did Ami want us to do? Other than the sealing research. Gotta check on that.

Our goals seem like:

1) fix the great seal
a) Hazo figure out 3D sealing
-a1) find a suitable material for the seal <in progress>
-a2) invent 3D-sealing theory <in progress> <only Orochimaru is making progress?>
b) invent a better way to fight these dragons <skyslicers?>
c) gather Clan Bosses vs Dragons to out clear the seal <in progress>
-c1) Recurit Ataksuki for extra firepower? <Asuma might be doing this?>

2) necromancy
a) make the portal opener seal <in progress?>
-a1) recruit Naruto to power the seal and guard the rift <not started>
-a2) Noburi/Tsunade invents a way to open Naruto's chakra-pores so he can power the seal <not started>
b) seduce/distract Akatsuki
-b1) Ami handles Konan/Itachi/Kisame/Kakuzu/Deidara. poor Ami. <in progress>
-b2) Hazou handles Hidan via (???) <not started>
-b3) Hazo gets an in with Sasori via sealing research <not started>
c) prepare to operate effectively in the Pure Land without chakra
-c1) train in mundane combat/athletics and mundane social skills. jutsu and chakra boost won't help us. <currently debateing training plans>
-c2) recruit allies, especially non-jutsu-reliant jounin/powerhouses(Hana, Mari, Rock Lee) <not started>
-c3) alternatively, come up with an easy way to locate people in the Pure Land. this is a long shot. <???>
d) enter the rift, locate Nagato, make the best Uplift speech ever made. <not started>


thoughts:
We need either Tsunade or Noburi to invent a way to open Naruto's chakra-pores. I don't think we can retain control of this operation if we include Tsunade. therefore, we should tasks Noburi on chakra-pore opening ASAP. this research may require higher mednin.
We need to unlock 3D-sealing. ES 50 gives us a bunch of promising leads, but we still need to invent the theory of 3D sealing. Sasori would probably be a huge help here, and it's a great way to get an in with him, and get more Akatsuki support for the Dragonbattle general.

What do we do now?
  • Ask Asuma to bring in Sasori on the dragonwar. We can do this TODAY.
  • Tell Nobouri to learn how to open Naruto's Tenketsu. we can do this TODAY.
  • Recruit Naruto. Start by talking to naruto about the transhumanist and anti-deathist themes in his dad's poetry. we can start this TODAY.
  • Contact Hidan somehow, and have a method of keeping him busy.
  • Ask Kei/Snowflake if they are recruiting Shikamaru. if so, he can probably get Asuma to order help from Naruto/Tsunadae. we can ask her TODAY
 
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Much of this plan is no longer viable given the clarifications the QMs have made and what we've reminded ourselves of from reading through the chapters in question.

@ContextBot, @Korporati, would you consider de-voting? I expect that this would be pretty disastrous if we tried it as it's based on things which simply aren't true.
Unfortunately no, I am not much in favour of the current winning plan at the moment. I was not part of the discussion and I don't really have the time to go back the thread to look it up. Perhaps you could clarify what those points are? I'll consider it afterwards.

Besides, it's just 2 votes. It'll hardly cause a disaster given the number of votes.
 
"He doesn't mince his words. Manjiro plainly indicated that upon concluding the examination, you had convinced him that you understood sealing as a whole better than he did. I get the vague impression that some of his final questions were actually him probing you for advice on a new project, rather than intended parts of the exam, as he included them in the transcript but didn't comment on their implications. Regardless, I'm very pleased to see this."
...Hazou getting clearly-communicated favorable praise from Asuma in a way that could be used as a concrete reference point from which to assess every other individuals relative skill level at that activity!? Huh. I know that our Sealing is bonkers, but still that isn't something you see every day. Wait...

*looks at calendar*

@Velorien blink twice if you are being kept hostage.

Special thanks to @Paperclipped for the Asuma scene.
Ah. Nevermind. :V

Fun interlude. :) Naming scheme was a nice throwback.
 
I know it doesn't say "all" of the reserves, but my guess is that there are no more infused copies.
  1. I strongly suspect there's at least one copy stored away somewhere, and that Asuma instantly agree to let us have or borrow it.
  2. The Tower absolutely knows the capabilities of the seal and is willing to tell us.
 
Isan are allies of Leaf and there are unique advantages that would be lost.
  • Sealing traditions based directly on the Sage's work.
  • Lore on the Paths that has been lost to most.
  • Unique jutsu.


Did we ever research those Isan seals? I think our claim would be better received if we had proof here. I don't even think we researched the Sarubetsu seals either.
 
[X][Isan] Action Plan: Frank Consideration
This plan is for Isan only.
  • Hazou's perspective: (He'll share this bit IFF asked directly)
    • Massacring Isan is monstrous, but saving humanity is more important.
      • Big question: does destroying Isan this way actually help save humanity?
      • Approach: get everyone to consider carefully and discuss. make sure nothing is missed, then weigh our choices together. Although ultimately defer to Asuma
  • Let/ask Asuma to lay out all the considerations as he see them.
  • Bring up any of the following points if he didn't, and they still seem relevant:
    • Using EM here means we might not be able use it in the Dragonwar without Akatsuki realizing Leaf destroyed Isan
    • Every time the EM nuke is used it is another bit of information out in the world that Leaf can do it on-demand.
      • Lots of people know Hazou was behind the "sealing failure" last time, presumably including foreign spies/agents.
    • Leaf has obtained exclusive rights for all Isanese Fire jutsu and spread an EM replacement. Both of those reduce the spread of EM from Isan.
    • How likely is it that the nuke will kill every Isanese ninja? There is a very real risk of committing the atrocity and not succeeding in eliminating EM.
  • Decision time:
    • Discuss as a group. Make sure no factors are overlooked. Put significant weight on Shikamaru's final opinion.
      • Killing Isan to protect the world from EM, Considered in isolation, is probably worth it.
        • (This very painful for Hazou to admit, but he can't afford to flinch from it when the stakes are this high.)
      • EM might be entirely replaced by the replacement variant within a generation or two anyways, and using EM risks AMITY destroying Leaf, and Dragons destroying the world
        • How high are these risks?
 
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After the Sunset Racer, Akane's reaction to following her orders firebombing that civilian center, and even Hazou's very own origin story of being collateral damage in Hidden Swamp I'd like to vote for any plan that does not advocate for nuking Isan. I most likely won't have the time to follow along with the thread when it comes to our normal voting cycle this weekend though, so here are some tentative ideas for alternatives to the EM in Isan problem that maybe other people can use them for inspiration to brainstorm a solution:
  • Annex Isan into Leaf officially, citing Whirlpool's demise with Leaf not doing all it could to protect its allies previously (if that was an event in MfD and I am not just confusing canon with MfD lore)
  • Have the Yamanaka over the course of several days selectively wipe EM and other assorted techniques from Isan ninja in exchange for some shinies that we can confirm Isan would agree would be worth such a procedure. The Yamanaka could be a part of a greater humanitarian mission to Isan to inoculate the Isanese to the wider world they are now becoming a part of. If primitive vaccines are a thing in MfD we could use those as further incentives to help protect the Isan population from outside dangers while passing the Yamanaka off as part of that process through social fu from Leaf diplomats.
    • This is all assuming that the Yamanaka can even do psychic surgery this delicately in the first place. We would have to run this idea by Asuma first before asking Ino at all though due to the level of clearance involved.
The more soft power we can exert over Isan the more options we will have (in addition to Leaf's efforts to replace EM's niche in Isan society) without killing them for the crime of existing in the presence of a dangerous technique. I am confident the hivemind can find a peaceful solution to this problem for Uplift's sake.
 
"Sir, could the technique be useful for ambushes?" asked Goat. "The initial effect is innocuous, and if my understanding is correct, once the storm actually starts, it is much too late to flee. Setting aside the problem of collateral damage, of course."

Asuma shook his head. "Maybe, but the collateral damage problem can't be set aside that easily when the radius of the storm is measured in miles," he said, gesturing out to the growing storm in front of them. "And besides, the sort of ninja we would want to deploy this against would probably recognize the initial rising storm as a powerful wind-style ninjutsu charging up, and ninja of that caliber rarely make it to that level of strength without an appropriate amount of caution. I'm sure there are situations where it could be useful, but the day for those situations is far, far out. Certainly not while we have any semblance of secrecy around the technique."
I observe that any high-level (Jonin) ninja in Isan are very likely to flee and survive. And those ninja are the ones most likely to figure out what happened (Leaf attacked Isan) and/or have Elemental Mastery themselves.

How badly did things go that Asuma is seriously considering nuking Isan?
 
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