Wait a minute. The plan just says to give her the mirror, not to tell her anything about it.

Why would Hazōpilot say this much and wouldn't the sanity check have stopped him?
Well she asked him a question and they are two teenagers on a date, that's not usually a situation where the thought of keeping OPSEC crosses your mind unless directly asked to spill the beans, and it just so happened the conversation flowed there.
 
Wait a minute. The plan just says to give her the mirror, not to tell her anything about it.
I can conceive of no reason why a plan would create an unbreakable mirror, tell Ino that it wouldn't break, yet not make a connection between the two. Nor can I conceive of one why you'd go out of your way to invent a material specifically for the purposes of giving it to Ino, name it after her, then conceal this information from her in the event.
 
Shino:
  • Make one set of high-quality quartz lenses, another set scaled up ~2x, and several lens blanks.
  • Show him, emphasizing partnership, new possibilities - Goketsu materials, Aburame expertise.
    • Reiterate commitment to destroy them at his request.
    • What could his engineers make? Bigger telescopes? Better portable ones?
  • We're entering the gem market. We'd like to work with Hinata. Can he arrange a meeting?
Note that you've already done this. Are you intentionally doing the same thing after previously telling him that you had no intention of making more lenses?

> Foreign ANBU Agent complains about how he hates Sand, and how it gets everywhere.
It would never have occurred to me to write this but now...

Action Plan: It's Time to Talk About Akane
First off, feel free to put the timeline under separate cover as long as it stays under 300 words.

Second, if this gets voted in then you're accepting the original conversation with Ino, which means Hazō's ability to create gems is blown, along with whatever other deductions she can make from that, which is probably a lot since Hazō had used Earthshaping very publicly, eg when creating the Great Seal replica.
 
Note that you've already done this. Are you intentionally doing the same thing after previously telling him that you had no intention of making more lenses?
Telescope proposal TBD -- likely Shino would have provided you with some reference lenses so you could learn how to make them better, under the condition that you don't undercut the Aburame's existing deal with the Tower. Instead, once you learned how to make telescopes, you would join the Aburame's deal as a supplier and the Aburame would take a small cut of the profits in exchange for having taught you how to make the lenses in the first place.
Has the finalized proposal been changed?
 
Several changes:
  • Made a comment to account for the uncertain nature of our deal with the Aburame.
  • Edited engineer discussion to be more in line with Kiba's suggestions.
  • Replaced "Bragon bones" with "Dragonwar" as the deliberate lie when talking with Hinata.
  • Added for us to study for the Sealing exam.
Yes, I added the sanity-check to the beginning, also.

[X] Action Plan: Backtracking Without Shikamaru
Word count: 299
  • Sanity-check with Mari/Kei/Snowflake where appropriate.
  • Ino
    • Don't end the date.
    • Apologize: we're a little scrambled.
    • Yes, we can make gems.
      • Asuma knows: he's helping us sell them.
      • Please keep this under wraps: move investments around, but be subtle about it. No one outside Goketsu knows we can do this.
        • If you take losses, we'll make it up to you.
      • We're meeting with Hinata (Hyuuga luxury goods connections, Shino facilitating) to get her help, build Goketsu-Hyuuga relations.
        • Any advice?
    • Regardless - this mirror won't break.
  • Shino:
    • NB: Make sure we keep our word/follow agreements we've made already. Do not do stuff we said we wouldn't do.
    • Make one set of high-quality quartz lenses, another set scaled up ~2x, and several lens blanks.
    • Show him, emphasizing partnership, new possibilities - Goketsu materials, Aburame expertise.
      • Reiterate commitment to destroy them at his request.
      • R&D:
        • Can they make more powerful telescopes?
        • Can they produce them cheaper so to equip more ninja. Offer a long term purchasing agreement contract. "We agree to buy X amount of telescopes for Y price for Z years
        • What about magnifying smaller objects?
    • We're entering the gem market. We'd like to work with Hinata. Can he arrange a meeting?
  • Hinata:
    • Bring sample gems, mission paperwork from Asuma.
      • Don't hide that they're insane stones, but refuse to discuss where we got them.
        • Claim 'Dragonwar'.
        • Obvious lie, clearly not open to discussing their origins.
        • Could Neji get to the Great Seal? It'd be helpful.
    • Goketsu materials, Tower intelligence, Hyuuga connections. Perfect match?
    • Tone/subtext: excited about anticipated profit and prospect of Goketsu-Hyuuga relations.
      • We admire/respect Hinata/the Hyuuga.
      • We're tired of making enemies when we could be making allies.
  • Offscreen:
    • Prepare for the Sealing exam.
    • Ask Asuma/Harumitsu/other knowledgeable people for Hagoromo who we could talk to.
 
Make one set of high-quality quartz lenses, another set scaled up ~2x, and several lens blanks

Note that you've already done this. Are you intentionally doing the same thing after previously telling him that you had no intention of making more lenses?
Hey Fac can you cut this part? Let's not fuck things up twice in two updates.
Why not claim Dog Clan? Just as unverifiable and more plausible
 
Is there room to include a line about Hinata saving Kei? Hazou has a reputation for being dangerously protective, and Hinata knowing that Hazou is grateful for her aid in saving Kei would do a lot more to reassure Hinata than Uplift statements about "making friends instead of enemies.'

Which, while true, probably isn't enough to reassure her. But if presented with a more obvious reason for Hazou being friendly (Ino's vouching, Hinata sticking her neck out for Kei to save Kei from Orochimaru's scalpel), then Hinata will be able to act with more comfort/ease than she otherwise would.
 
Strong preference for spending a Fate Point to slightly amend the update as outlined by @FaintlySorcerous here and approved by @Velorien here, to make it so that it isn't an unintended OPSEC breach (characterizes Hazou as incompetent) but an intended show of trust (does not characterize Hazou as incompetent).

@faflec, any chance you can modify your plan to suit?
 
[X] Action Plan: Backtracking Without Shikamaru, Without Shino
Word count: <225
  • Sanity-check with Mari/Kei/Snowflake where appropriate.
  • Ino
    • Don't end the date. (-1FP)
    • Confirm, but be circumspect (in public, after all)
      • Asuma knows: he's helping us sell them.
      • Please keep this under wraps: move investments around, but be subtle about it. No one outside Goketsu knows we can do this.
        • If you take losses, we'll make it up to you.
      • We're planning on meeting with Hinata (Hyuuga luxury goods connections) to get her help, build Goketsu-Hyuuga relations.
        • Any advice?
    • Regardless - this mirror won't break.
  • Hinata:
    • Follow Sanity Checker's (and Ino's) advice.
    • Bring some sample gems, mission paperwork from Asuma.
      • Don't hide that they're insane stones, but refuse to discuss where we got them.
        • Claim 'Dragonwar.'
        • Obvious lie, clearly not open to discussing their origins.
        • Could Neji get to the Great Seal? It'd be helpful.
    • Goketsu materials, Tower intelligence, Hyuuga connections. Perfect match?
    • Tone/subtext: excited about anticipated profit and prospect of inproved Goketsu-Hyuuga relations.
      • We admire/respect Hinata.
      • We're tired of making enemies when we could be making allies.
      • Ino vouches for her, and we remember how Hinata spoke up against Orochimaru to try and save Kei from his scalpel.
  • Offscreen:
    • Prepare for the Sealing exam.
    • Ask Asuma/Harumitsu/other knowledgeable people for Hagoromo whom we could talk to.
 
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Hey Fac can you cut this part? Let's not fuck things up twice in two updates.
This was the purpose of me saying in the Shino section that we would still be adhering to our oaths and intentions blah blah blah. I'm honestly confused what the agreement with Shino was given that it's TBD right now.
Why not claim Dog Clan? Just as unverifiable and more plausible
I think the point is for it to be a blatant lie.
Is there room to include a line about Hinata saving Kei? Hazou has a reputation for being dangerously protective, and Hinata knowing that Hazou is grateful for her aid in saving Kei would do a lot more to reassure Hinata than Uplift statements about "making friends instead of enemies.'

Which, while true, probably isn't enough to reassure her. But if presented with a more obvious reason for Hazou being friendly (Ino's vouching, Hinata sticking her neck out for Kei to save Kei from Orochimaru's scalpel), then Hinata will be able to act with more comfort/ease than she otherwise would.
Possibly.
Strong preference for spending a Fate Point to slightly amend the update as outlined by @FaintlySorcerous here and approved by @Velorien here, to make it so that it isn't an unintended OPSEC breach (characterizes Hazou as incompetent) but an intended show of trust (does not characterize Hazou as incompetent).

@faflec, any chance you can modify your plan to suit?
Yes.

Yes, I added the sanity-check to the beginning, also.

[X] Action Plan: Backtracking Without Shikamaru
Word count: <300
  • Sanity-check with Mari/Kei/Snowflake where appropriate.
  • Ino:
    • Don't end the date (-1FP).
    • Apologize: we're a little scrambled.
    • Yes, we can make gems.
      • Asuma knows: he's helping us sell them.
      • Please keep this under wraps: move investments around, but be subtle about it. No one outside Goketsu knows we can do this.
        • If you take losses, we'll make it up to you.
      • We're meeting with Hinata (Hyuuga luxury goods connections, Shino facilitating) to get her help, build Goketsu-Hyuuga relations.
        • Any advice?
    • Regardless - this mirror won't break.
  • Shino:
    • NB: Make sure we keep our word/follow agreements we've made already. Do not do stuff we said we wouldn't do.
    • Make one set of high-quality quartz lenses, another set scaled up ~2x, and several lens blanks.
    • Show him, emphasizing partnership, new possibilities - Goketsu materials, Aburame expertise.
      • Reiterate commitment to destroy them at his request.
      • R&D:
        • Can they make more powerful telescopes?
        • Can they produce them cheaper to equip more ninja?
        • What about magnifying smaller objects?
    • We're entering the gem market. We'd like to work with Hinata. Can he arrange a meeting?
  • Hinata:
    • Bring sample gems, mission paperwork from Asuma.
      • Don't hide that they're insane stones, but refuse to discuss where we got them.
        • Claim 'Dragonwar'.
        • Obvious lie, clearly not open to discussing their origins.
        • Could Neji get to the Great Seal? It'd be helpful.
    • Goketsu materials, Tower intelligence, Hyuuga connections. Perfect match?
    • Tone/subtext: Excited about anticipated profit and promoting Goketsu-Hyuuga relations.
      • We admire/respect Hinata/the Hyuuga.
      • You've helped us in the past.
      • We're tired of making enemies when we could be making allies.
  • Offscreen:
    • Prepare for the Sealing exam.
    • Ask Asuma/Harumitsu/other knowledgeable people for Hagoromo who we could talk to.
 
This was the purpose of me saying in the Shino section that we would still be adhering to our oaths and intentions blah blah blah. I'm honestly confused what the agreement with Shino was given that it's TBD right now.

I think the point is for it to be a blatant lie.

Possibly.

Yes.


Why are we still making quartz lenses?
 
Showing Shino corundum basicly tells him about ES gemcrafting.
Shino knows we have earthshapeing and suspects we used it to make lenses.
When we show up with new gem-like lenses, and then start selling tons of perfect saphires, he'll know what's up.

He and Hinata are close, so I suspect they'll put it together anyways as very soon after we tell Hinata we're entering the gem market.
 
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Yup! As much as I like Shino and want to see Shino scenes, I'm also voting for this.
[X] Action Plan: Backtracking Without Shikamaru, Without Shino

Surprised you mention Shino at all. Hazou can 100% reach out to another clan head, and Shino isn't involved, so aksing Shino to be our messenger boy just seems... awkward?
 
Yup! As much as I like Shino and want to see Shino scenes, I'm also voting for this.
[X] Action Plan: Backtracking Without Shikamaru, Without Shino

Surprised you mention Shino at all. Hazou can 100% reach out to another clan head, and Shino isn't involved, so aksing Shino to be our messenger boy just seems... awkward?
Good point, edited.
 
To signal that we're clearly not interested in discussing how we got them.
Why are we still making quartz lenses?
Because I don't feel that it is a threat given Velorien's statement (TBD, I know) that we're supposed to be making telescopes as part of the deal we have with his clan?
We are going to get stuck as a supplier, while lucrative, this is an ongoing thing. We aren't going to only do this a handful of times, and use the money for other investments.

Just pointing that out.
Walk me through the implications of this; I am confused.
If you're spending an FP to change it so that Hazou is revealing this as a way to deliberately show trust in Ino, then you don't need the apology, because the FP means this wasn't a mistake
Sure.

Yes, I added the sanity-check to the beginning, also.

[X] Action Plan: Backtracking Without Shikamaru
Word count: <300
  • Sanity-check with Mari/Kei/Snowflake where appropriate.
  • Ino:
    • Don't end the date (-1FP).
    • Yes, we can make gems.
      • Asuma knows: he's helping us sell them.
      • Please keep this under wraps: move investments around, but be subtle about it. No one outside Goketsu knows we can do this.
        • If you take losses, we'll make it up to you.
      • We're meeting with Hinata (Hyuuga luxury goods connections, Shino facilitating) to get her help, build Goketsu-Hyuuga relations.
        • Any advice?
    • Regardless - this mirror won't break.
  • Shino:
    • NB: Make sure we keep our word/follow agreements we've made already. Do not do stuff we said we wouldn't do.
    • Make one set of high-quality quartz lenses, another set scaled up ~2x, and several lens blanks.
    • Show him, emphasizing partnership, new possibilities - Goketsu materials, Aburame expertise.
      • Reiterate commitment to destroy them at his request.
      • R&D:
        • Can they make more powerful telescopes?
        • Can they produce them cheaper to equip more ninja?
        • What about magnifying smaller objects?
    • We're entering the gem market. We'd like to work with Hinata. Can he arrange a meeting?
  • Hinata:
    • Bring sample gems, mission paperwork from Asuma.
      • Don't hide that they're insane stones, but refuse to discuss where we got them.
        • Claim 'Dragonwar'.
        • Obvious lie, clearly not open to discussing their origins.
        • Could Neji get to the Great Seal? It'd be helpful.
    • Goketsu materials, Tower intelligence, Hyuuga connections. Perfect match?
    • Tone/subtext: Excited about anticipated profit and promoting Goketsu-Hyuuga relations.
      • We admire/respect Hinata/the Hyuuga.
      • You've helped us in the past.
      • We're tired of making enemies when we could be making allies.
  • Offscreen:
    • Prepare for the Sealing exam.
    • Ask Asuma/Harumitsu/other knowledgeable people for Hagoromo who we could talk to.
 
Because I don't feel that it is a threat given Velorien's statement (TBD, I know) that we're supposed to be making telescopes as part of the deal we have with his clan?



It sounds sketchy given contradictory statement by QMs. I would prefer to omit them.

Also, your shino section is still not challenging them. You're asking if they 'can' do this, asking if they're currently capable.
 
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Walk me through the implications of this; I am confused.

Maybe I am confused?

But what exactly are we offering Hinata? We can make a number of jewels that can be turned into good jewelry to sell.

Are we just dumping a lot of ES stuff in her lap? Or is this going to be an ongoing thing? Hazou does have to spend time creating this stuff.
 
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