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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Velorien said:
4) Note that there is a limit on how much chakra you can buy per day without it being very obvious, and you are already pushing the limits on this, especially if Akane and Kei's clones are doing any training that involves spending chakra. If you want other people to use FOOM, or if you want to engage in other CP-intense projects, you are going to have to make some tradeoffs such as Gōketsu being out of chakra most of the time, increased OPSEC vulnerability, or finding another major source of chakra.
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Are the koi ready? If not, when?

As for the players, we may need to buy CR sooner rather than later
 
I am once again going to suggest we spend time setting up a 7th path chakra farm. Also think until we have better OPSEC implemented we should slow down on FOOM and Have Kei and Hazō do the training on the 7th path
 
eaglejarl said:
They typically breed some time between May and July, meaning that Lord Noburi may draw on them for the next six weeks or so but should refrain after that point. After they have spawned it is safe to tap the adults for another six months, or longer if we don't need them to breed. The spawn take approximately a year to reach sexual maturity, at which point we can either breed them or tap them for chakra.
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It being safe for them to be drained for 6 months before breeding again plus the breeding month being summertime means they should spawn 6 months before May-July, meaning they should spawn somewhere between November to January, correct? So we should be able to draw chakra from them soon, if we can't already.
 
Shrooms said:
It being safe for them to be drained for 6 months before breeding again plus the breeding month being summertime means they should spawn 6 months before May-July, meaning they should spawn somewhere between November to January, correct? So we should be able to draw chakra from them soon, if we can't already.
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+5 XP if someone figures out a life cycle for these fish that is plausible according to real science + MfD-onscreen statements, and it makes sense to the QMs. They spawn eggs once per year and the fry are cannibalistic of both eggs and each other. Partial award if we use part of your idea but make changes.
 
roobee said:
Do we have assets whose value is short of a small country though? Since going in debt means we bought something, even if we bought it inefficiently. And even if the assets are illiquid
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You bought Gōketsu scrip, which is no longer valid currency and thus worth only as much as its physical material.

Edit: In addition, you never received compensation for the loss of Orochimaru's estate, meaning that was a straight loss of assets.
 
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Velorien said:
You bought Gōketsu scrip, which is no longer valid currency and thus worth only as much as its physical material.

Edit: In addition, you never received compensation for the loss of Orochimaru's estate, meaning that was a straight loss of assets.
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THINGS THE GŌKETSU TRADED FOR BUT WERE CHEATED OUT OF
  1. An actual chakra pony
  2. Orochimaru's estate
  3. A senior Wakahisa picinist
  4. A Wakahisa utility jutsu
  5. Mari's retirement
  6. More??
 
Velorien said:
You bought Gōketsu scrip, which is no longer valid currency and thus worth only as much as its physical material.
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But we would have gotten goods of equal value, or within the order of magnitude, at the time of issuing the goketsu scrip. Buying back the goketsu script later would be subtracting from that initial gain, plus any interest we obtained from the assets.
Shrooms said:
Ninja/jutsu/summoning scrolls
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Ninja are cheap. Probably jutsu, although I don't remember buying any. Summoning scroll is valuable true, but we didn't buy it with money.

_The_Bomb said:
  1. An actual chakra pony
  2. Orochimaru's estate
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I believe we did get a chakra pony and get compensated for oro estate. If someone wants to search it up.
 
eaglejarl said:
+5 XP if someone figures out a life cycle for these fish that is plausible according to real science + MfD-onscreen statements, and it makes sense to the QMs. They spawn eggs once per year and the fry are cannibalistic of both eggs and each other. Partial award if we use part of your idea but make changes.
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MfD players becoming experts in a field they've never heard of for an XP award
 
eaglejarl said:
"The koi are doing fine. The junior piscitist turned out to be capable of managing things. If the fish are used for chakra then it will be at least six months before they can breed. They typically breed some time between May and July, meaning that Lord Noburi may draw on them for the next six weeks or so but should refrain after that point. After they have spawned it is safe to tap the adults for another six months, or longer if we don't need them to breed. The spawn take approximately a year to reach sexual maturity, at which point we can either breed them or tap them for chakra. One of the fish sickened and died at the change in environment, so we only have eleven. No more are forthcoming, as we are expected to breed our stock up to forty on our own.
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All of this seems to line up with traditional Koi care methods. The eggs hatch only a few days after they're laid, so we should actually already have more koi. You do apparently need a deeper pond if temperatures get below freezing because the surface will be too cold, so it can be argued we haven't been using them because the koi are staying at the bottom of their ponds for the winter. Also, if we want the adults to breed again we can't drain them until the summer. The babies were said to need a year to grow before being drainable so they're no good either.

So basically life cycle is breed/new births in the Summer, majority of the eggs don't make it and separate ponds are required to keep the big koi from eating the babies, then they take a year to start being drainable and presumably a few more to be fully grown, being capable of reproduction at 3 years old or so.

What's TBD from the QMs is how many baby fish we got
 
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Shrooms said:
All of this seems to line up with traditional Koi care methods. The eggs hatch only a few days after they're laid, so we should actually already have more koi. You do apparently need a deeper pond if temperatures get below freezing because the surface will be too cold, so it can be argued we haven't been using them because the koi are staying at the bottom of their ponds for the winter. Also, if we want the adults to breed again we can't drain them until the summer. The babies were said to need a year to grow before being drainable so they're no good either.

What's TBD from the QMs is how many baby fish we got
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We might be able to handwaved away the cold, due to their nature as domesticated chakra beasts. Mist is an island country, and (while I can't wholly remember the details) I don't think Mist was any more temperate than Leaf.

So we may be able to reasonably assume that, between the koi's chakra system and artificial selection, they can endure the winters well enough.

We could assert that we've been waiting for a larger koi population before FOOMing nonstop (this would mean we would buy less chakra at that point, increasing Opsec).
 
RandomOTP said:
We might be able to handwaved away the cold, due to their nature as domesticated chakra beasts. Mist is an island country, and (while I can't wholly remember the details) I don't think Mist was any more temperate than Leaf.
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They are coldwater fish IRL too, but in freshwater the bottom of the water is insulated by the surface of ponds/lakes freezing over and we know it snows/ices in Leaf.

RandomOTP said:
We could assert that we've been waiting for a larger koi population before FOOMing nonstop
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You can drain the breeding pairs for 6 months after they've spawned as per the cited text. It's only now that we would need to stop.
 
Velorien said:
4) Note that there is a limit on how much chakra you can buy per day without it being very obvious, and you are already pushing the limits on this, especially if Akane and Kei's clones are doing any training that involves spending chakra. If you want other people to use FOOM, or if you want to engage in other CP-intense projects, you are going to have to make some tradeoffs such as Gōketsu being out of chakra most of the time, increased OPSEC vulnerability, or finding another major source of chakra.
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Fortunately, most of the charecters are already at the point where it would be smart to switch to a training plan that does not require Noburi to provide chakra for shadow clones. @Paperclipped designed each of his plans to come with a "No-Buri" variant where the charecter slowly raises their CR alongside their clone usage. I have been arguing for Hazō to take this approach on its own merits (higher chakra reserves being a good thing for a lot of reasons), but now that we have major OPSEC concerns I feel it is a no brainer.

This DOES NOT slow down FOOMing more than a very small amount. For Hazō, it would take him 2 years 5 months to get to the point where he is a kage-level sealer that can survive and escape from an ambush by a hostile jōnin instead of 2 years and 3 months. Yes, it only adds two months. For Kei, it's even less of an impact. It would take her 3 years to reach the her fourth detour instead of 2 years 11 months. Akane likewise is barely affected, taking 2 years to become a terrifying combat monster instead of 1 year 11 months.

I strongly encourage everyone to take a look at the specifics in the spreadsheets linked below. Paper did a really good job with them and they are totally understandable even to people with very minimal spreadsheet experience such as myself. I pulled these numbers straight from there.
Resolve Grinding (Hazō)
Resolve Grinding (Akane)
Resolve Grinding (Kei)
The specific paths I looked at were the Akane(with Buffs)/Akane(Buffs + No-Buri), Kei(with Buffs)/Kei(Buffs + No-Buri), and Hazō(Survivable Sealmaster)/Hazō(Survivable Sealmaster + No-Buri), as they were the ones I considered to be our best paths forward.

TL;DR We already have a great way to drastically reduce Hazō, Kei, and Akane's chakra consumption for FOOM training by slowly raising their CR as they increase their SC usage. It barely slows down FOOM and comes with the added benefit of giving everyone higher chakra reserves (very nice to have in combat and required to unlock goodies such as Sage Mode and possibly jōnin auras).
 
Velorien said:
2) Your finances, while stable, are no longer the finances of a major clan. You continue to have plenty of income streams with which to stay afloat and support Gōketsu projects and dependents, but what was left of the enormous fortune inherited from Jiraiya is gone as part of the process that landed you heavily in debt. You can no longer buy "most things short of a country".
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YES BUT IS THE PEPPERMENT TEA STILL ON TRACK?!

[panicked screaming]
 
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