Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

[TenebrousDreamer]

zap lunch

 

[OliWhail]

Wow.

Way to prove Noburi right.

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Can't argue with results, my friend

I'd kind of like slightly greater emphasis on getting Mari's impressions of what's going on between them, and whether bringing this up to her is a good idea at all. On the other hand, Kei does think well of us, but... she may be inclined to think us biased in favor of Akane. Which we are, to be fair.

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To clarify, you would add a line not just asking her to veto our plan if it's stupid, but also asking for additional insight on how to make it better/whether it is even a problem? I don't know how I could reasonably disagree with that.

 

[Sleeps Furiously]

I updated my plan. It looks like I messed up the indents and the talk to Keiko about Akane section, but it still seems readable. It's probably too late for people to vote for this even if they do prefer it, but I'd still appreciate any thoughts.

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I do think there are a number of advantages to being in a town/city, but the big downside to me is that we can't research PMYF unless we're out in the wilderness.

E: One final nitpick would be that I think including the "this depends on Hazou knowing what's up wrt/ Kei and Akane" disclaimer was reasonable, and that it may be good to be explicit about the offer of a list being meant as a friendly jest

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I'd kind of like slightly greater emphasis on getting Mari's impressions of what's going on between them, and whether bringing this up to her is a good idea at all.

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Done.

 

[TenebrousDreamer]

zap lunch

 

[Cariyaga]

Pff. Just remembered a dream I had that combined speedrunning (SGDQ's coming up) and this quest. Hazou noclipped into the shrine and stole the summon scroll without updating the quest, so when Keiko did it we got a duplicate.

 

[MadScientist]

OMAKE: SPEEDRUNNING STRATS

"Hazou..." Noburi started, then trailed off.

"Uh. Yeah?"

"This may be a silly question, but..."

"Go on."

"Why are you running against a wall at ninja speed, with your head pressing against it? That looks really painful, and as the group medic I feel obliged to inform you that you're probably giving yourself brain-damage."

And then in a much quieter voice:

"Although that would explain a lot."​

"Um. Can this wait? I'm up to seventeen QPU's East and I really need to get it up to eighteen before I ca- Here we go!"

And then Hazou vanished.

Noburi took off his barrel and squinted at it.

"I hereby precommit to never letting my barrel break. Because if it does I will have to make a new one and clearly working with seals makes people crazy and apparently the universe is all too happy to humour crazy people."

--ELSEWHERE--

Yagura's last thoughts were filled with burning rage and roughly translated from the split second of shock and semi-formed concepts as "A traitor has learned Hiraishin!".

Edit:

Spoiler: Explanation of How This Works

 

[Cariyaga]

OMAKE: SPEEDRUNNING STRATS

"Hazou..." Noburi started, then trailed off.

"Uh. Yeah?"

"This may be a silly question, but..."

"Go on."

"Why are you running against a wall at ninja speed, with your head pressing against it? That looks really painful, and as the group medic I feel obliged to inform you that you're probably giving yourself brain-damage."

And then in a much quieter voice:

"Although that would explain a lot."​

"Um. Can this wait? I'm up to seventeen QPU's East and I really need to get it up to eighteen before I ca- Here we go!"

And then Hazou vanished.

Noburi took off his barrel and squinted at it.

"I hereby precommit to never letting my barrel break. Because if it does I will have to make a new one and clearly working with seals makes people crazy and apparently the universe is all too happy to humour crazy people."

--ELSEWHERE--

Yagura's last thoughts were filled with burning rage and roughly translated from the split second of shock and semi-formed concepts as "A traitor has learned Hiraishin!".

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I wonder how much XP singlehandedly killing Yagura would get us.

 

[Muer'ci]

[x] Report Plan: Promises to Keep

 

[ChronOblivion]

[x] Report Plan: Promises to Keep

If we meet up with Jiraiya before/instead of obfuscating the location we were in when we got the sealing scroll, then our goal is to keep our promise to Takahashi by not actually telling Jiraiya about the village, while telling him enough of what's going on that he knows that if he does decide to investigate, he should not actually make contact with anyone. All while not lying to him about anything.

If we meet up with his agent(s) instead of Jiraiya, they don't need any details on anything. We should just report that we're going to be here for a few weeks, then take a look at where to go in the Elemental Nations after that. That way if Jiraiya decides its worth his time to come meet with us, he knows where to find us.

• Report to Jiraiya in person:
• Spoiler

  • We got the Pangolin contract.
  • We've promised not to talk about how. Breaking that promise or even the appearance that it has been broken would be a poor repayment to our promisee.
  • If Jiraiya asks, we can promise him truthfully that we are confident nothing we're not telling him will be a threat to the Leaf.
  • Also, not related to the contract, but we were in Rain and detected chakra in the rain there.
• Report to an agent of Jiraiya's:
• Spoiler

  • Tell them we'll be here for a few weeks, then we're going to move on.
  • If they ask us explicitly about the summoning contract, then Jiraiya trusts them enough to mention it at all, so tell them yes we have it. Not what it is, though.
  • Mention the magic rain in Rain.

Either way, get gossip about the current state of affairs in the Elemental Nations. If it's Jiraiya, we can explicitly ask about Iron. Anyone else might not already know that we were involved in shenanigans up there recently, so just stick with generic gossip in that case.

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Hey, will you look at my suggested changes?

@Sleeps Furiously

I approve of most of your Report Plan, but there are a few things I would like added before I vote for it.

1) Super minor, but maybe "swore" is a better word for it than "promised". It doesn't automatically imply that there was someone we made a promise to, just that an oath was made, and that could theoretically be taken on our own. Also, mention that this may change in the future.

2) I would like to promise Jiraiya before he makes any push that we are very confident that it won't bring harm to Konoha or anyone else in the meantime.

3) Add that him forcing us to tell him will not only require all of us to break an oath, but it will carry additional negative consequences independent of our own actions (so it's not like we'll carry out a vendetta or anything). These consequences might end up being major, particularly in terms of opportunity cost.

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And maybe make a note for Inoue to be in charge of what to tell Jiraiya about the dead Leaf nin.

 

[Dark as Silver]

I wonder how much XP singlehandedly killing Yagura would get us.

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[X] Plan bosses give the best loot.

 

[MadScientist]

[X] Report Plan: Dead Bodies to Keep

 

[faflec]

[X] Report Plan: Dead Bodies to Keep
[X] Training Akane: Nope

 

[MadScientist]

Explanation of how Hazou teleported to Yagura:

 

[Cariyaga]

Consider making it known to Jiraiya, if you guys insist on telling him about the bodies, that Keiko formally takes Mari (and the rest of the team) under her protection as summoner of the Pangolin, as witnessed by Pandaa. That should be sufficient to prevent him from doing anything too extreme, as doing so would likely put him and Konoha at odds with a summon clan that would otherwise be allies.

Run that one by Pandaa and Mari first, though.

 

[Sleeps Furiously]

Hey, will you look at my suggested changes?



And maybe make a note for Inoue to be in charge of what to tell Jiraiya about the dead Leaf nin.

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I haven't jumped on this, since most people seem to be more interested in the telling about the bodies plan, but I have now gotten it updated. I still left out telling Jiraiya about the dead Leaf nin. Mari, of course, makes the final decision on these things, but this is the plan where Hazou's suggestion is not to say anything about them.

[x] Report Plan: Promises to Keep

If we meet up with Jiraiya before/instead of obfuscating the location we were in when we got the sealing scroll, then our goal is to keep our promise to Takahashi by not actually telling Jiraiya about the village, while telling him enough of what's going on that he knows that if he does decide to investigate, he should not actually make contact with anyone. All while not lying to him about anything.

If we meet up with his agent(s) instead of Jiraiya, they don't need any details on anything. We should just report that we're going to be here for a few weeks, then take a look at where to go in the Elemental Nations after that. That way if Jiraiya decides its worth his time to come meet with us, he knows where to find us.

• Report to Jiraiya in person:
• Spoiler

  • We got the Pangolin contract.
  • We've sworn not to talk about how. Breaking that promise or even the appearance that it has been broken would be a poor repayment to our promisee.
  • Promise him truthfully that we are confident nothing we're not telling him will be a threat to the Leaf.
  • If pushed to tell anyway, tell him that we expect to be released from our promise in time, but that if we are forced to break it, then whatever gain we could have gotten by keeping our oath and thereby provided to Jiraiya as part of his network will be lost.
  • Also, not related to the contract, but we were in Rain and detected chakra in the rain there.
• Report to an agent of Jiraiya's:
• Spoiler

  • Tell them we'll be here for a few weeks, then we're going to move on.
  • If they ask us explicitly about the summoning contract, then Jiraiya trusts them enough to mention it at all, so tell them yes we have it. Not what it is, though.
  • Mention the magic rain in Rain.

Either way, get gossip about the current state of affairs in the Elemental Nations. If it's Jiraiya, we can explicitly ask about Iron. Anyone else might not already know that we were involved in shenanigans up there recently, so just stick with generic gossip in that case.

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[ChronOblivion]

I haven't jumped on this, since most people seem to be more interested in the telling about the bodies plan, but I have now gotten it updated. I still left out telling Jiraiya about the dead Leaf nin. Mari, of course, makes the final decision on these things, but this is the plan where Hazou's suggestion is not to say anything about them.

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Alright. I still think that we shouldn't wait until pushed before telling him of the probable non-permanence of this oath, or the tangible benefits later for keeping it, but this is good enough for me.

[X] Report Plan: Promises to Keep

 

[Orisha91]

[x] Action Plan: You Don't See Me; I'm Not Here.

 

[eaglejarl]

Voting is closed.

CounterBot by eaglejarl, version 1.4


Plan name: You Don't See Me; I'm Not Here.
Voters: @Cariyaga, @faflec, @Killer_Whale, @Muer'ci, @OliWhail, @Orisha91, @Sigil, @Skelm, @Sleeps Furiously, @Traiden
Num votes: 10


Plan name: Report Plan: Dead Bodies to Keep
Voters: @1234qwerty, @faflec, @MadScientist, @OliWhail, @Skelm, @Twofold
Num votes: 6


Plan name: Report Plan: Promises to Keep
Voters: @ChronOblivion, @Muer'ci, @Sleeps Furiously
Num votes: 3


Plan name: Armageddon Initiative
Voters: @Dark as Silver, @faflec
Num votes: 2


Plan name: Hiding in Plain Sight
Voters: @1234qwerty, @OliWhail
Num votes: 2


Plan name: Its Jiraya ain't it.
Voters: @Dark as Silver
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Just Chilling.
Voters: @Dark as Silver
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Plan bosses give the best loot.
Voters: @Dark as Silver
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Training Akane: Nope
Voters: @faflec
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Training Akane: Talky Talk
Voters: @Sleeps Furiously
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Training Hazou: Research PMYF
Voters: @Sleeps Furiously
Num votes: 1



Number of voters: 15

 

[Cariyaga]

So, I think we should consider in the next few weeks doing some experimentation with Akane's EM to make sure it would be suitable as-is for hot air ballooning. @eaglejarl @Velorien I assume that its radius can be lowered (at least to its minimum of radius 4m), as increasing in skill at it raises the radius, but can it be lowered to less than that for the purpose of experimentation? I'd like for our next plan (though we aren't there yet ) to cover doing some basic experimentation with using its heat to generate propulsion with a miniature model of a hot air balloon, just so Akane doesn't think we've forgotten about that.

 

[faflec]

I'd like for our next plan (though we aren't there yet ) to cover doing some basic experimentation with using its heat to generate propulsion with a miniature model of a hot air balloon, just so Akane doesn't think we've forgotten about that.

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I am a bit worried...no. I am significantly worried that our experiments would result in people, specifically ninjas, noticing our hot air balloon and investigating it. It's much easier to notice an out-of place object in the sky than on the ground due to the lack of cover/out-of-placeness. If we could find a mountain range able to cover our experiments I'd be all for it, but until then we're limited to small-scale experiments which don't necessarily transition to our-world's hot air balloons.

 

[Traiden]

The hardest part would be finding a cloth of light enough weight and a manufacturing process to reduce the amount of stitches to reduce the loss of trapped air. At present, I don't think the technological level of the Elemental nations are ready to build hot air balloons. We could how ever build a lot of smaller paper balloons, heat the air within them and have them float up into the air without having to have a candle within them. If we get skilled enough we could switch with the balloons if we are skilled enough with our substitution. Just have figure out a way of increasing the mass of the balloons while still lifting into the air and enough to switch with our bodies.

 

[Cariyaga]

I am a bit worried...no. I am significantly worried that our experiments would result in people, specifically ninjas, noticing our hot air balloon and investigating it. It's much easier to notice an out-of place object in the sky than on the ground due to the lack of cover/out-of-placeness. If we could find a mountain range able to cover our experiments I'd be all for it, but until then we're limited to small-scale experiments which don't necessarily transition to our-world's hot air balloons.

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I think you're mistaking what I mean. I meant smallscale experimentation. Like the kind of stuff you could do in a building with a piece of cloth an arm's distance in length.

The hardest part would be finding a cloth of light enough weight and a manufacturing process to reduce the amount of stitches to reduce the loss of trapped air. At present, I don't think the technological level of the Elemental nations are ready to build hot air balloons. We could how ever build a lot of smaller paper balloons, heat the air within them and have them float up into the air without having to have a candle within them. If we get skilled enough we could switch with the balloons if we are skilled enough with our substitution. Just have figure out a way of increasing the mass of the balloons while still lifting into the air and enough to switch with our bodies.

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If nothing else, I'm sure there's some sealing shenanigans we can pull to keep the air inside the balloon.

 

[eaglejarl]

OMAKE: SPEEDRUNNING STRATS

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Threadmarked. :> Please add the following to the bottom:

Spoiler: Video explaining how the above works

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[Ridiculously Average Guy]

Infiltrating Mist would be insanely hard and would be exponentially harder to reach the highest office in the country without once being discovered.

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Late response, but wifi has been down.

I'm not assuming we won't be discovered, once inside we can slowly go about letting other people in on it until we've got a sizeable base of friendlies within Mist. I want to start up a resistance/coup.

 

[Traiden]

On a more immediate action note, we should dig several shallow pits that are wide enough that the tallest of our group can lay down in it and cover the area with lots of forest detritus to make the ground seem to be even. These pits would be filled in with a valid substitution target, if you can target things from under loose detritus if you know on is there. @eaglejarl @Velorien? We should test this so that we can use substitution to help hide in the middle of combat.