Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Obviously, next plan should start with "thank everyone for their help".
Also, talk to Haru. Maybe go with "We don't blame you for doing what you did. All this tells us is that you're a loyal leaf nin, which as far as we're concerned is a good thing."
Then rest up, do fluffy things, and try not to accidentally be a Treason Dragon this update.
Also, talk to Haru. Maybe go with "We don't blame you for doing what you did. All this tells us is that you're a loyal leaf nin, which as far as we're concerned is a good thing."
Then rest up, do fluffy things, and try not to accidentally be a Treason Dragon this update.
Noumero
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Changed to "committing perfectly lawful actions".
He's pretending to have bought into the narrative the Gouketsu were weaving: that Itachi implanted us a false memory. We thereby "wasted Asuma's time" by creating that all that drama, instead of going to debrief with our clan first and "figuring out what Itachi did to us".
Implemented.
Implemented.
Wait. We'd also sent a message to the Snakes, along with the package from Jiraiya to Orochimaru, and we know they'd received it, because they'd replied. Does this mean Orochimaru can casually get us executed now? Fun.
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Hazo I would understand, but poking the Nara like that would be an overstep, no?
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AFAICT this was never not the case?
Did the Hivemind not understand that sending a message to Akatsuki was a treasonous crime punishable by death? I haven't really had the bandwidth to follow all the in-thread discussion, but I assumed it was originally voted for on the understanding that it was to be concealed at all cost from the Hokage unless it succeeded in securing something so valuable all would be forgiven.
Why did the thread vote to confess everything?
Why did the thread vote to confess everything?
One major point was that we weren't sure we had the deception to get one over on Asuma. I assumed he would have sniffed any bullshit or lies of omission out in short order.
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Because we are ethical traitors who like flirting with death?
You didn't really follow the discussion. There's a controversy between two models.
As it turned out, our plan doesn't get implemented, and we're left with Hazopilot.
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We voted to do it in the first place because (in part) we believed the chance that Akatsuki would out us having done it as minimal.
We revealed it to Asuma because Itachi outed the letter to Haru, and we would have had to either force his silence somehow or confess to Asuma, as Haru would report about the letter if we didn't.
I do admit that I didn't expect Itachi would out the letter, and clearly that prediction was wrong, but at the time we expected a minimal chance of this circumstance and when this circumstance came to pass we had no choice but to come clean (well, or kill Haru, which would introduce problems of its own)
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c.f.IV above with a generous helping of:
"What if at some point there needs to be some dice rolls in which we have to go against Asuma /someone else" coupled with a viewpoint along the lines of "Lying is very hard and one small slip will screw you up and the house of cards falls down."
This wasn't necessarily my take/viewpoint but it's not an invalid one.
That makes some sense, but then I'm looking at the plan that the post was following, and there's nothing in there about begging for forgiveness, or coming up with explanations for why what Hazou did was somehow justified, or even attempting a baldfaced lie that Itachi (master of mind control and illusions) was simply messing with Haru and that we had done no such thing (which Asuma might have suspected was a lie but maybe not prove to the extent he could politically justify a clan head execution).
Seems a little insufficient.
Although Mari ok'd the original plan which suggests this isn't a concern
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That was because the intention was to claim we never sent the letter and that Akatsuki contacted us of their own volition.
We were banking on following Mari's lead being better than anything else we might add to the plan
yes, suggesting that wories about sucessfully lying was not a concern
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Because we would be coming in with a major win. We did not come back with the akatsuki between Leaf and the rest of the world, therefore we did not get the desired win but had to report it anyway.
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It's more that there are circumstances where you don't need to lie in order to cause misinformation. If Akatsuki shows up as if of their own volition, all we need to do is not actively give away that we contacted them. If Akatsuki claims that we contacted them, we would have to directly deny that, which would absolutely proc a Deceit roll.
So long story short we assumed that we could slide by without a Deceit roll if Akatsuki played along. But they didn't, so our choices were come clean or (with great likelihood) try a Deceit roll against Asuma, which would likely not end well.
I don't want to relitigate too much of an issue that's now closed, but for future reference I'd like to put out that there's a difference between, "I beat your deceit roll and think you're lying," and "I know you're lying and have proven it to at least my own satisfaction".
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True, but in fairness if Asuma had reason to believe we were lying to him then he could probably extract the truth from us using his other social skills and/or application of his Jounin Aura/T&I facilities/etc., depending on the context.
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Well, we've lost the clan support contest. No reason not to run up the score a much as possible though. (Alternately we won it, and our prize was not being murdered.)
Also god, the dice are way too nice to us.
Also god, the dice are way too nice to us.
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The dice like everything else exist at Jashin's whim. Praise our lord Jashin
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Praise our lord Jashin.
If you think you were worried about Keiko, imagine me with my finger hovering over the "run" button right after seeing at least one of Keiko and Ami die nearly every test run.