Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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It's the plan that's been discussed the most on discord that I've noticed. We're going to be suffering a severe consequence either way, so best to at least not do anything this visit.
My outline plan for the heist is:
- Semiregular trips to Mist. At least 3 where nothing happens
- Heist
- Here we want to make use of summons to help
- Steal younger fish and tear the net between the ponds
- Be seen elsewhere when it happens
- If possible aim to do this while someone known to be lax/bad is in charge of inspecting the nets
I don't think we're having Hazou keep the porcupine scroll, are we?
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1) I really think we shouldn't gloss over Asuma being chill here, and 2) there's a really good argument for Akane instead
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Even if we don't keep the scroll we should start training because we will be getting some eventually
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We aren't glossing over it. I just don't see a way we can lie, even by omission, and have it actually work out. If we can I'm all for not mentioning the letter but going through everything else - none of our actions on the island are bad. We were ninja shoved into a situation way over our heads that managed to convince the enemy to let us live. That gets a pat on the back.
We've been told summoning training is tailored to the species, when possible, and it would seem arrogant to assume we're just going to find an ancient and ridiculously powerful artifact... even if we *have* done so twice now.
(Aka: Sure, after the third one and all the clans just short circuit at how the hell we are doing this)
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I would like to point out that there is a difference between "We have limited space to act" and "Let's timeskip after the critical moment".
Pointing out that we regardless of the Akatsuki problem, brought results upon results with the Summoning Scrolls, bringing back two of those to Leaf, and therefore would use the just obtained Scroll to obtain even mores scrolls for Leaf, could be the difference between "I'll let you keep the Scroll so you can obtain even more scrolls" and "I'll take the scroll".
Similarly , pointing out that every time the leadership was willing to listen to us, instead of being ready and willing to murder us(Hiashi),we were transparent and brought back a ridiculous amount of result for our ranks (Skywalkers, stopped a Ninja war,Chunin Exams, Pangolin Scroll,As a genin) could be the difference between "Asuma doesn't murder you" and "Asuma understands and clarify that this must not happen again".
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NO! No it is not sad! This (fixing death) is the whole reason we even considered working with Orochimaru. This is the task we considered so valuable that we were at least somewhat willing to overlook atrocities, torture and who-has-the-screams-to-define what else.
This is exactly the circumstance where working with Oro should look palatable.
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Huh? I thought we were giving the Dogs to Akane?
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No doggos go to Hazō because it would make @eaglejarl happy
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What are people's expectations regarding consequences of telling Asuma about our communication channel to Akatsuki? Like, okay, so he doesn't execute us, isn't even mad at us because we manage to frame everything very well/he is just that nice. We now have a way to talk to Akatsuki, they're moderately likely to pay attention to our messages, and Asuma knows about it. What next?
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Let's not start summoning training before we have scrolls assigned to people. I'm not in that big a rush to start summoning that I'd want to count our chickens before they hatch. Not to mention the social impact of asking a resident Summoner (essentially Asuma) for Summoning training before we can even verify that we have a scroll.
"Hey Asuma I'm so confident that I'll win the Dog Scroll from the contest that I want you to start training me in how to use it before the results are even in." is not a good look imo.
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"Hey Asuma I'm so confident that I'll win the Dog Scroll from the contest that I want you to start training me in how to use it before the results are even in." is not a good look imo.
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While this is a compelling reason, to my knowledge there is no true consensus on how the Scrolls should be allocated even under conditionals of which ones we end up getting. Please don't spread confusion by asserting that specific distributions are already decided.
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Asuma has us manipulate Akatsuki into suiciding themselves against Leaf's enemies, possibly?
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In my humble opinion, nothing is the best thing. As "we're not going to talk with Akatsuki until we're strong enough to not be killed for shit and giggles by them". In a more complete answer: Itachi was a disaster, he didn't do even the most basic amount of research before contacting us, kept flip-flopping between position and was generally incapable of behaving in a civilized manner. As of now, the Akatsuki is not an organization we can negotiate with, because they can kill us with a whim, and are pretty whimsical as of late.
As Hidan noted "Stop it until you can back it up". At max we can negotiate for Konan jutsus with something of equal value.
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Eaglrjarl has stated multiple times that having already started summoning training would be a strong consideration in being assigned a scroll since we would be more useful sooner to Leaf. This is a mutually beneficial arrangement and would be covering our bases for little cost no matter what happens
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[X] Action Plan: Kiba's plan but we keep Daizen
[X]Action Plan: Always follow the Oracle.
Both include research (dragging Daizen back with us), so they have my vote.
[X]Action Plan: Always follow the Oracle.
Both include research (dragging Daizen back with us), so they have my vote.
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[X] Poll: Doggos scroll go to Akane.
Regardless, since you agree with the general idea, maybe prepare Hazou for this in your plan? I'm concerned he'll expect Asuma to not seize the control over the communications, leading to some unpleasantries. Maybe even specifically present it as one of our successes, that we've managed to get a channel Asuma could use to manipulate them?
Mm, I'm not sure he'd go that far. They're pretty politically savvy, and apparently have agents high in Leaf's hierarchy. Attempting this kind of maneuvering is likely to make them realize he's calling the shots, which risks retaliation. I'm thinking he'll just set up a pattern where we exchange low-importance messages that leak give some information about what each party is doing, as a way of "keeping an eye" on them. On the other hand, it is a prime opportunity to get rid of them...
Regardless, since you agree with the general idea, maybe prepare Hazou for this in your plan? I'm concerned he'll expect Asuma to not seize the control over the communications, leading to some unpleasantries. Maybe even specifically present it as one of our successes, that we've managed to get a channel Asuma could use to manipulate them?
I take it you expect Asuma to give us carte blanche regarding what we send and don't send them? What's your reasoning?
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What reason does Asuma have to agree to give us Summoning training if we cannot prove that we are to be getting a summoning scroll? If we could persuade Keiko to teach us, that would be another thing, but it's quite arrogant to go up to Asuma and essentially say that since we're obviously going to win the contest and take the Dog Scroll he should just start teaching it to us now. Especially given the context of the conversation we'll be having with him.
I know it's totally your style of social interaction to play like we hold all the cards and our victory is assured so that the benefits from that stance help make our victory actually true, but I strongly feel like that type of play is not going to work out well here.
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[X] Poll: Make no decisions until we're actually holding the scrolls
Tua
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Agreed.
I am vehemently opposed to Haru getting the scroll at this time. He is new to the clan and still an unknown to the players. We are doing that uncomfortable thing again where we treat NPCs like tools without their own motivations and goals.
On the other hand, Akane is deeply loyal to us, has been around for nearly the foundation of Team Uplift, is Verified Sane(tm) and I - to be quite frank here - value her survival more than Haru's. And her getting the scroll will make it more likely that she will live.
Noumero
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[X] Poll: AIEEEE IT'S A POLL SCREAMING IN KAGOMEEEEE
Specifically mention how Itachi knew that Leaf is conducting bioterrorism against Rock. Itachi let that slip in the heat of a moment, it's possible that he didn't want us to know he knew that; maybe it could be used to identify one of their agents.