Also, seconding those asking about whether we can take the other stuff we'd caught without encumbering ourselves. Many eels are edible, if noting else, and the rest may be worth studying.
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @AugSphere @Jackercracks
2 questions:
1. If we ditched the gator how fast could we make it to base?
2. If we used Wakahisa's Water Release: Water Whip to help us carry the gator how much faster would we run?
@Traiden I don't suggest making a raft NOW I'm suggesting making a makeshift raft, by tying a log to either side of the gator with ninja wire.
2 questions:
2. If we used Wakahisa's Water Release: Water Whip to help us carry the gator how much faster would we run?
@Traiden I don't suggest making a raft NOW I'm suggesting making a makeshift raft, by tying a log to either side of the gator with ninja wire.
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Damn, thank you for that rec. That was better than I expected.
Jackercracks
In a British accent
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- England
No faster really. In the choice between carrying a gator above you and dragging a gator through the swamp, the former seems less slow. Now, my real life gator-dragging experience is a little lacking, but I think the theory will pull me through on this one.
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@Jackercracks Um, I was thinking about Wakahisa protruding the whips from the water to lift the gator up for/with us.
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- USA
chaonaut
Totally Not a Spy for Orochimort
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- United States
As far as Naruto lore is concerned, it was at least available enough by the time of the Third Shinobi World War for a Rock ninja to be skilled enough to create 20 Shadow Clones. Mizuki was trying to collect the Scroll of Seals, which contains many techniques, including the Multiple Shadow Clone technique (a forbidden variation of the normal Shadow Clone technique due to the vast amounts of chakra needed for the volume of Shadow Clones) and Uzumaki Clan's Eight Trigrams Sealing Style (a foundation of techniques like the Shiki Fūjin, and possibly a hiden, as both the First and the Fourth Hokage might be considered Uzumaki by marriage and it appears to be secret otherwise).
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Jackercracks
In a British accent
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- England
Sorry, my bad.
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- USA
@faflec do you want leeches, because that's how you get leeches. The amount of concentration that it would require our teammate to use that technique for the period of time that you're talking about would leave him wide open for leeches to come flying out of the trees at him for spending that amount of chakra and what amounts to a long period of time. While he is using the technique he cannot be as alert as he would need to be to be able to dodge away from the leeches. The leeches that would be attacking us as well as him. Any long term expenditures of chakra would be ill-advised in the swamp before it is secured and cleared of leeches which we would like to capture. They would be very good for defensive traps.
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Shadow Clone is a
There aren't that many trees, actually. What trees there are are old cypress trees -- very big, very bushy, and hard to cut down without tools. Any tree that dies falls into the swamp and rots pretty quickly.
There are plenty of tall grasses around that keep sightlines relatively short. They form hummocks here and there, some of which are on solid ground while some are just floating matts of vegetation. It's hard to tell the difference without stepping on them.
The rest of your day's catch was (in your opinion) definitely inedible aside from the following:
- Three water snakes of various sizes, two probably venomous and one constricting.
- Two potentially (but unconfirmedly) edible fish.
- One member of a school of very small piranha-like predators with many teeth and dubious nutritional value.
- A huge eel which was less caught and more choked to death on the fishing rod after tearing the entire thing out of Hazō's hands and swallowing it whole.
The fish are small and not a problem. The eel is big enough to be inconvenient, but nothing compared to the mass of the alligator.
The Whip is basically a prehensile rope that must be attached to the user's hand at one end. It follows Newton's Laws, so if you lift something up with it, you get pushed down. In short: if Noburi (which is his given name, by the way -- Wakahisa is his family name) lifts the gator with the Whip and you guys don't help, that means that the entire weight of the gator is on him; he'll be driven into the mud like a tent peg. If Noburi lifts with the Whip and the two of you help it won't make any difference compared to the three of you lifting it with your hands.
Instead of using the whip to lift it you could have the whip go down to the bottom, then bend up again and push the gator up from beneath. The bend of the whip would need to be pushing onto the bottom of the swamp, otherwise it's no better than carrying the thing, and then you're dragging a whip through several feet of thick mud. I don't think you'd really get any speed gains.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
It would be good to figure out what poison we have found. Also that fish that shot out spines even when dead seems interesting.
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- Yes.
Too bad it won't work.
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- USA
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This increases the probability that we will want to investigate the trees, after reporting back.
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- Penn's Woods
@Rafin 's [X] Plan Note and Return +
If any jonin/chunin know of communication-related jutsu for these purposes, I'd give quite high priority to becoming alligator summoners: Summoning Technique
Especially because it offers a means of instant return to the village, if we can convince contracted alligators to summon us:
Reverse Summoning Technique
If any jonin/chunin know of communication-related jutsu for these purposes, I'd give quite high priority to becoming alligator summoners: Summoning Technique
Especially because it offers a means of instant return to the village, if we can convince contracted alligators to summon us:
Reverse Summoning Technique
Rihaku
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The Sealed Scroll has the Mass Shadow Clone Techinque, which is a kinjutsu because the chakra division kills most ninja. This is why Naruto's first combat use of Shadow Clone is Mass Shadow Clone Technique.
Of course, using Water Clones is just as good for this purpose, since they are cheap enough to spam and the 1/10th strength thing doesn't really matter for scouting a resource cache.
You guys are the GMs and can rule otherwise, but as dwibby mentions above, this is fanon. The version of Shadow Clone which is a kinjutsu is Mass Shadow Clone Technique; other countries do have Shadow Clones in canon.
Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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So, wait, is there any reason Vampmate can't just drain the life/chakra out of animals as they come in to nibble?cEventually one will die and the swarm will break off to consume one another in a feeding frenzy.
It also should give him enough chakra (at least for a while) to have his whip act as a rotor for the Crocboat.
It also should give him enough chakra (at least for a while) to have his whip act as a rotor for the Crocboat.
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- Canada
Because he currently has so few points in the related skill that his drain rate is useless for combat conditions.
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- Phoenix, AZ
My analysis of post and proposed action:
It looks like we get benefits from detailed plans. This indicates all our winning votes ought to be reasonably detailed. While we can build off the options presented to us, it's almost certainly better to make and vote for a more detailed plan. I've included my suggestion at the bottom after my analysis.
We have acquired new materials, and have new information, this is good. Also, apparently we're pretty fantastic fishers - 9 diverse catches in less than 6 hours of fishing in a swamp, and we consider it bad! New material available to us:
With that in mind, I proposes we note it's location and head back, but do so explicitly saying the things we will do. Here's some options for detailed plans, though I don't like two of them.
[X] Plan Return with Full Report
-[X] Note location of natural shelter on map
-[X] Have left the eel to travel to the village - it has minimal worth
-[X] At village, use time gained from dropping eel to observe first and verify village has not been wiped out while we were gone.
-[X] Provide Shikigami with a full report. Suggest the following uses for the materials we found.
-[X] Propose using the luminous green thing as a light for the cave
-[X] Propose placing dead spike fish near the entrance to the cave as an early warning system
-[X] Propose mechanical energy applications for spike fish
-[X] Propose giving poison snakes to our medical-nin in training and ask her to remove their poison and attempt to make antivenom, or preserve it to allow for future poisonings. Attempt to safely determine how poisonous it is.
-[X] Propose using Alligator skull as base for a shovel if we lack one.
-[X] Consult with Keiko before enacting plan to fix anything we missed.
It looks like we get benefits from detailed plans. This indicates all our winning votes ought to be reasonably detailed. While we can build off the options presented to us, it's almost certainly better to make and vote for a more detailed plan. I've included my suggestion at the bottom after my analysis.
We have acquired new materials, and have new information, this is good. Also, apparently we're pretty fantastic fishers - 9 diverse catches in less than 6 hours of fishing in a swamp, and we consider it bad! New material available to us:
- Balloon-shaped fish
- Potential Spike trap material
- Free mechanical energy if we want to design anything! This is super useful. We could make a pump operated just by people walking past it! We definitely want this.
- Luminous green… thing…
- Lighting. Very good for a dark cave. We want this.
- Poison snakes:
- Poison can be extracted from their fangs to coat our weapons
- We want to take at least its head and hope someone can extract poison.
- Alligator
- Lots of food
- Sharp Teeth
- Scales?
- Claws?
- Bones
- We should take this for all the food
- Piranha
- Sharpened tools
- Potential food
- This would be nice to take.
- Constricting snake
- Food? - could leave this if necessary.
- Two potentially edible fish
- Food? - could leave this if necessary.
- Huge eel
- Potentially food
- Very low chance of being electric
- Should leave because it's heavy.
- If we're confident Shikigami is in cahoots with Fire and we want to run before Fire tortures us to death, and we think we need to do this tonight.
- If there's a threat in the shelter which will attack tonight.
With that in mind, I proposes we note it's location and head back, but do so explicitly saying the things we will do. Here's some options for detailed plans, though I don't like two of them.
- Send a runner
- Have keiko stealthily water-run ahead to tell Shikigami the situation.
- Have Noburi and Hazou carefully advance. Noburi uses waterwalking to gain height and uses chakra on awareness to look up and to sides. Hazou drags gator and pays attention to the ground.
- Return and provide report - leave out natural structure and do not mention
- This is only useful if we want to leave a potential hiding place for us, and don't really care about village safety. Honestly, it seems dumb.
- Return and give full report
- Note location on map
- Tell a jounin about the structure and
- Use luminous green thing as a light for the cave
- Place dead spike fish near entrance to cave as early warning system, and propose future applications in providing mechanical energy.
- Give poison snakes to our medical-nin in training and ask her to remove the poison or attempt to make an antivenom.
- Give food to Shikigami.
[X] Plan Return with Full Report
-[X] Note location of natural shelter on map
-[X] Have left the eel to travel to the village - it has minimal worth
-[X] At village, use time gained from dropping eel to observe first and verify village has not been wiped out while we were gone.
-[X] Provide Shikigami with a full report. Suggest the following uses for the materials we found.
-[X] Propose using the luminous green thing as a light for the cave
-[X] Propose placing dead spike fish near the entrance to the cave as an early warning system
-[X] Propose mechanical energy applications for spike fish
-[X] Propose giving poison snakes to our medical-nin in training and ask her to remove their poison and attempt to make antivenom, or preserve it to allow for future poisonings. Attempt to safely determine how poisonous it is.
-[X] Propose using Alligator skull as base for a shovel if we lack one.
-[X] Consult with Keiko before enacting plan to fix anything we missed.
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