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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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edit: And that Aunt Ren only defeated a summoning, lel
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Indeed. She was forced to participate in a battle two power tiers above her own, found a way to defeat a bestial creature using her acting ability, ended up the only Kage to survive that mess, and then went on to preserve geopolitical peace immediately afterwards! I say you can't argue with success.
 
Noumero said:
Indeed. She was forced to participate in a battle two power tiers above her own, found a way to defeat a bestial creature using her acting ability, ended up the only Kage to survive that mess, and then went on to preserve geopolitical peace immediately afterwards! I say you can't argue with success.
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Not with that attitude, maybe.
 
Noumero said:
Well, that went well.

  • If he doesn't have the Snake Scroll:
    • 62% that he joins.
    • 33% that he does nothing, either accepting the Basement's loss or concluding that we were bluffing.
    • 5% that he tries to pull something within the next few days to remove our ability to destroy the Basement.
  • If he has the Snake Scroll:
    • 76% that he will transfer the Snake Scroll to us without joining conditional on us funding him & providing him with resources extracted from the Basement.
      • The transfer may be temporary, e. g. for five years.
    • 15% that he joins us.
    • 9% that he does nothing.
Assuming P(Kabuto possesses the Scroll) = .8, I'm ~85% confident that we'll get something shiny and ~24% confident that the shiny will be Kabuto himself.
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Hmm.

I am adjusting my confidence of Kabuto joining the clan 30%, with 70% no, since the question I asked is if Kabuto will join the clan or not.
 
eaglejarl said:
"Okaaaay...." Mari eyed him nervously. "What exactly did you have in mind?"
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This made me laugh thank you.

eaglejarl said:
"You didn't make a mess of the politics," he said firmly.
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This should have been.

"I respectfully disagree, and you've never come close to screwing up badly enough to make me consider not thinking of you as mom."

eaglejarl said:
There's no reason for him to become a Gōketsu."
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Debatable.

eaglejarl said:
"But...Jiraiya wanted him to."
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He would yeah...

If he decides not to join the clan officially that's... Fine? Well keep his bowl in the cupboard, and a room clean for him.

And keep working with him as long as he's interested.

Jiraiya wasn't an Uzumaki either was he?

We're doing this to respect Joraiyas wishes, and to help a member of our albeit extended family first.

The oceanic side benefits are just that.

eaglejarl said:
The KEI is basically Ami's group with the other two having minimal to no control."

"Oh."

"Yeah."
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Well within our worst expectations and definetly addressable.

I think your underestimating Ami too. I don't think she picked Kei and Naruto to be puppets. She might end up doing that on accident though...
 
zxzx24 said:
"I respectfully disagree, and you've never come close to screwing up badly enough to make me consider not thinking of you as mom."
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At first I read it as "you've never come close to screwing up badly enough to make me consider thinking of you as mom", without the "not", and I have to say it made more sense that way, considering Hana's historical performance.
 
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To be fair, nearly all Jonin suck in some way.

The only sane adults/jonin we have met are either civilians or part of the Sarutobi Clan. (Maybe Kurenai too, soon to be Sarutobi)
 
MMKII said:
I believe that Jiraiya's funeral service was scheduled to happen soon after the vote was concluded. Should we do that before disappearing for two weeks?
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This seems quite important. @huhYeahGoodPoint, could we make sure that we're not missing Jiraiya's funeral or any other major village-wide event.
  1. Village assignments:
    1. Stay in the village two days.
      1. Make sure we don't miss Jiraiya's funeral.
      2. Ask Shikamaru about adopting an ISC medical researcher.
      3. Draw hundreds of implosion seal blanks we'll need for testing.
      4. Convene Goketsu Gaming Mondays. Invite Naruto and KEI specifically.
    2. Be obnoxiously helpful for Hiashi.
    3. Noburi:
      1. Keep compiling:
        1. Adoption candidates
        2. Basement loot
      2. Watch for:
        1. Mist Merchants with our seal.
    4. Mari:
      1. Arranges backchannels with Ami.
      2. Do the thing with clanless "branch housing".
  2. SINs
    1. Take a long-term chakra beast extermination mission.
      1. Party members: Hazou, Akane, Kagome, Naruto.
        1. "We'll go blow some stuff up, make a few other things, and prank the entirety of Rice."
    2. Take 2 weeks inside Fire borders. Our actual objectives, in descending order, the moment we leave:
      1. Testing Stacked Implosion Nukes.
        1. Ensure we aren't followed. Test away from civilization.
        2. Follow Kagome's suggestions.
          1. Naruto permitted to see Implosion seals?
        3. Preparation:
          1. Create a container that we can place an implosion seal in that won't rupture when the air rushes in.
          2. Activate the implosion seal.
          3. Close the container.
          4. Repeat until we have a significant amount of filled implosion seals.
        4. Testing:
          1. Prepare 5SB reinforced blast shielding.
          2. Detonate increasing amounts of filled implosion seals stacked together until kill radius exceeds 150m.
      2. Salterns:
        1. Use MEW to wall off sections of ocean.
        2. Freeze with EM.
        3. Boil leftover brine.
      3. Complete land sale. Clear said land.
      4. Expand our contact list (use Jiraiya's notes?)
      5. Kill our target. (After Rice)
  3. Guerilla civil engineering in the Land of Rice.
    1. Prepare any signs in granite using inscription jutsu.
      1. Signs should have quotes or imagery hinting at an association to Jiraiya or Goketsu.
    2. Spend at most 1 week in Rice. Less if we notice Rock or Cloud spies noticing us.
    3. Build bridges, erect monuments extolling Rice's generosity and greatness, clear out entirely new villages, etc.

Note, I cut a little bit here and there. "Organize and instruct KEI with relevant talents." seemed so vague as to be useless. "Find, rebuild, and re-key Jiraiya's contacts/network." needs more attention than a single line. Also some general wordcount optimization.
 
Hiashi could send a Hyuuga or two to follow us on missions, and there are reasons he would do so. Just to ensure we don't jump the border now that we've lost, for example.
 
I maintain that showing Mari love and affection is one of the most damaging things we could possibly do to her. I mean, if our goal is to guilt her into redoubling her efforts to serve us, then yes that would work, but I get the impression that we actually do care about her and therefore don't want that?
 
MadScientist said:
I maintain that showing Mari love and affection is one of the most damaging things we could possibly do to her. I mean, if our goal is to guilt her into redoubling her efforts to serve us, then yes that would work, but I get the impression that we actually do care about her and therefore don't want that?
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I am suspicious of reverse psychology and its supposed benefit.
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
[X] Action Plan: We're Going On A Lyin' Hunt
  1. Village assignments:
    1. Stay for two days.
      1. Talk with Shikamaru about adopting an ISC medical researcher.
      2. Start drawing the hundreds of implosion seal blanks we'll need for testing.
      3. Convene Goketsu Gaming Mondays. Invite Naruto and KEI specifically.
    2. Be obnoxiously helpful for Hiashi.
    3. Noburi:
      1. Keep compiling:
        1. Adoption candidates
        2. Basement loot
      2. Watch for:
        1. Mist Merchants with our seal.
    4. Mari:
      1. Arrange backchannels with Ami.
      2. Do the thing with clanless "branch housing". You have carte blanche.
      3. Taijutsu training for KEI?
  2. SINs
    1. Take a high ranking chakra beast extermination mission.
      1. Party members: Hazou, Akane, Kagome, Naruto.
        1. "We'll go blow some stuff up, make a few other things, and prank the entirety of Rice."
    2. Objectives inside Fire borders: (2 Weeks)
      1. Testing Stacked Implosion Nukes.
        1. Ensure we aren't followed. Test away from civilization.
        2. Follow Kagome's suggestions.
          1. Naruto permitted to see Implosion seals?
        3. Preparation:
          1. Create a container that we can place an implosion seal in that won't rupture when the air rushes in.
          2. Activate the implosion seal.
          3. Close the container.
          4. Repeat until we have a significant amount of filled implosion seals.
        4. Testing:
          1. Prepare 5SB reinforced blast shielding.
          2. Detonate increasing amounts of filled implosion seals stacked together until kill radius exceeds 150m.
      2. Salterns:
        1. Use MEW to wall off sections of ocean.
        2. Freeze with EM.
        3. Boil leftover brine.
      3. Complete land sale. Clear said land.
      4. Find, rebuild, and re-key Jiraiya's contacts/network.
      5. Expand our contact list.
      6. Kill our target. (After Guerilla civil engineering in Land of Rice)
  3. Guerilla civil engineering in the Land of Rice.
    1. Prepare any signs in granite using inscription jutsu.
      1. Signs should have quotes or imagery hinting at an association to Jiraiya or Goketsu.
    2. Spend at most 1 week in Rice. Less if we notice Rock or Cloud spies noticing us.
    3. Build bridges, erect monuments extolling Rice's generosity and greatness, clear out entirely new villages, etc.

Wordcount: 279

Not tracking wordcount super closely right now, because i'm sure i can add more clever things/optimize wordcount; in the meantime, changelog:
Naruto's been invited to our excellent adventure involving pranking the entirety of Rice.

Reduced required kill radius to 150m. 150m already requires some inventive delivery methods, and IIRC @Radvic did SIN analysis that stated that a 270m kill radius would need somewhere around or upwards 200 implosion seals to achieve, which is frankly a projectile that can't be launched 270m and thus keep the user safe. 400m would be only more ridiculous, both in the minimum payload size and "how do i avoid dying and/or failing to deliver the payload".

Expanded Guerilla civil engineering section.

Noburi is now compiling basement loot and looking for those merchants we commissioned in Leaf.

Mari has been given carte blanche to do The Thing (TM).

Open to suggestions.
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Paperclipped said:
[X] Action Plan: We're Going On A Lyin' Hunt

@huhYeahGoodPoint Please put the 2-days-in-Leaf part of the plan ahead of the Implosion seals part, for legibility's sake
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Edited. I've also removed the instruct with relevant talents line.
MMKII said:
I believe that Jiraiya's funeral service was scheduled to happen soon after the vote was concluded. Should we do that before disappearing for two weeks?


I believe we have WOQM they are if cast on earth.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Can you all tell us whether there's an important event that Hazou needs to be in the village for in the next two to three weeks?
MadScientist said:
I maintain that showing Mari love and affection is one of the most damaging things we could possibly do to her. I mean, if our goal is to guilt her into redoubling her efforts to serve us, then yes that would work, but I get the impression that we actually do care about her and therefore don't want that?
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I mean, the alternative is that Mari sees that we pull away from her as we get better at socials, which can and will be interpreted as "now that you're getting good enough to see through my lies you don't want anything to do with a worthless person like me".
 
Kiba said:
I am suspicious of reverse psychology and its supposed benefit.
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I'm not suggesting reverse psychology. I'm suggesting that we remove the stimulus that's causing Mari to hate herself.

When we tell Mari we love her (verbally or non-verbally), we're actually telling her "I'm reminding you that you manipulated me. This love isn't real, it's only the virus you put in my head.", and she will feel shame and self-hatred from that instead of the warmth you want her to feel.

If we ever want Mari to be able to hear us tell her we love her, and not mentally append "-- because you made me love you because you're a monster." then we need to first convince her that we no longer love her (that the tainted feelings she created are now gone), then that she can no longer manipulate us (any future feelings of love are natural and not of her insidious creation), and then that we have come to love her anew (that these feelings are real and deserved on her part).

If we skip step one, then she'll always think that any love we show her is because she got her claws into us early when we were naiive and vulnerable.
 
We probably shouldn't do the whole guerilla civil engeeniering, especially not in another country and we can probably experiment with most ideas on our own land anyway.

Just combine Mari's plan (to build houses on our land) with the experiment plan, ask the Merchant council for permission to experiment with building said houses with seals, hire some people with experience and make a bunch of cheap but useful houses, get them on board and make money.

But if everyone really wants to do it in another country, can we please do it in Tea? @huhYeahGoodPoint
  • It's an actual allied Country
  • Tea is a large country with a small ninja force, while Rice is small country with a larger ninja force
  • We know that Jiraiya has contacts in Tea
  • We can figure out what's going on down there and prepare for Isan
  • We can also clear the plot of Land we bought from that Noble
  • Also, crossing borders without Skywalkers is much more dangerous.

Also let's please not leave proof that it was us, at worst it will leave hints towards us being the Cold stone killers(using MEW to build bridges). And yes, other countries can complain that we entered their lands without permission and Hiashi can rightfully point out that we didn't inform him that we left the country, especially concering that we appearently want to take Naruto with us.

Seriously, Kagome is a Sealmaster who can make Skywalkers (and invented the actual mechanism to use them), Hazou had the original idea and knows how they work and Naruto is the Nine-tails jinchuriki. Us leaving the country and us getting abducted is a legitimate reason for Hiashi to ground us.
 
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Roomba said:
Denying her affection is one of the worst things we could do, because in spite of her stated beliefs, it's very likely that our feelings for her support her emotionally at least to some extent.
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MadScientist said:
I maintain that showing Mari love and affection is one of the most damaging things we could possibly do to her.
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Wow, what a divide. I, for one, vote we convince her she's crazy, and then tell her she should believe in the us who believe in her, not in whatever the crazy says. That will totally work.

I promise this flippant summary refers to a brilliant therapy strategy which I will present you the moment I decide to do so (somewhere between now and the heat death of the universe).
 
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