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PSA: 5XP has been awarded for the courageous people, @Kiba at their head, who have compiled all the outstanding economics questions and begun the process of answering them.
 
They've got a budget each month and will buy up to that budget, first come, first served. I'll need to check in how much that is, but it's substantial.

There is a monthly budget by Word of QM, but since we're exchanging cutlery to flush out the world the Word of QM isn't necessarily determinate in this particular.

15% of R2.17 billion of Clan Benefits is R325.5 million, so R27 million / month is spent on the Equipment Stipend for clans, if 90% of that is seals then R24.3 million, if we add ~20% for mission-specific and non-clan use then it would be a total Sealing Budget of R29.19 million in an average month, but the Kage can raise this by almost however much they want if they feel like accumulating Seals.

Summary: obscenely large monthly number which doesn't seem accurate as an actual budget line since the vast majority would rollover and not be used.

Even at the most expensive element available, R687 for Skywalkers, it would take 708 hours to use the entire seal budget each month. At Jonin-class seals it's 1062 hours - if there are 5 Jonin sealmasters in Leaf (and there aren't), and they're all smithing Jonin-class seals, they would need to work on them 7 hours each day to max out the monthly budget.

Looking at it the other way, assuming 30 Leaf sealmasters (there are fewer), they would each need to be averaging R225 per hour, 10 hours each day, 30 hours each month. That seems unlikely.

Nope. There's a definite budget for seals and Rihaku calculated it for us, and we know it is basically inexhaustible from our perspective.

I agree it's basically inexhaustible as calculated, but that's also why I have issue with it as calculated.

I think it simply seems more reasonable to say there is no budget because it's based on need for each particular seal:

In conclusion:

There's probably no monthly limit, no particular seal fund, no refresh rate.

The Tower probably buys seals on a rolling basis, based on need, and doesn't worry about sealmasters gaming the system and bankrupting the Tower because there's only 29 of them, maybe 3 who can actually create Jonin-class seals, and any other seals are essentially impossible to cause much of a financial dent to the Tower even if they're smithing seals 12 hours each and every day - and, ultimately, if the Tower is low on cash then they can just decline the purchase.
 
I agree it's basically inexhaustible as calculated, but that's also why I have issue with it as calculated.

I think it simply seems more reasonable to say there is no budget because it's based on need for each particular seal:

The Nara and others are in charge of the bureaucracy. So I would argue that there is in fact a monthly schedule and a budget in the sense that everything has a budget and things are managed such that they are neat and organized. However, the budget is of little revelance to sealmasters with the exception of a tax that is imposed on all sealmasters.
 
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Off the top of my head, I think it's important to note that Skywalkers are jounin-class in terms of impact, not necessarily in terms of technical difficulty.
So how does the rating of a sealmaster and the rating of a seal impact on gameplay? No, wait, a higher-rated seal commands a higher price. But how does the rating of a sealmaster affect gameplay? And is the rating of a sealmaster identical with his rating as a ninja? I would guess that it can be lower, but not higher (for example, a jonin who has just taken up sealing might be a genin-class sealmaster, but a genin can't be a jonin-class sealmaster), but you guys are the QMs.
 
So how does the rating of a sealmaster and the rating of a seal impact on gameplay? And is the rating of a sealmaster identical with his rating as a ninja? I would guess that it can be lower, but not higher (for example, a jonin who has just taken up sealing might be a genin-class sealmaster, but a genin can't be a jonin-class sealmaster), but you guys are the QMs.

Skywalkers are rated jonin plus some percentage extra to incentivize production. Seals may be rated genin, chunin, and jonin on difficulty, but that doesn't tell us how useful it is. Seals rated higher in difficulty are probably more likely to be rated higher in importance, due to extra complexity enabling more functionality.
 
[X] Interlude: Ami for the win.
  • Offer to adopt Ami and make her Head of Clan Goketsu
 
On the to-do list:

1) Confirm Hagoromo deal (do we take ISC's offer or not?)
2) Flip the Amori
3) Try to flip the Aburame or convince them to abstain
4) Convince Tsunade that we're a better option for her plans

I am down for #1, and think we should take the discount. #2 Is a good idea, we'll just have to leverage one of our 4 "S" advantages. #3... we can try. #4 That wording exactly. Not buy her vote, but show that Asuma in charge is better for humanity, and that we're humanitarians who are backing Asuma.

Also, is there any chance of doing
5) Still adopt Uchiha civilians and give money in exchange for an abstention?
Do you think?

[x] (Interlude) Hazou's Exams Performance: Ren's Postmortem Analysis
 
I am down for #1, and think we should take the discount. #2 Is a good idea, we'll just have to leverage one of our 4 "S" advantages. #3... we can try. #4 That wording exactly. Not buy her vote, but show that Asuma in charge is better for humanity, and that we're humanitarians who are backing Asuma.

The presumed wealth of Naruto makes taking the Hagoromo discount basically unnecessary.
Also, is there any chance of doing
5) Still adopt Uchiha civilians and give money in exchange for an abstention?
Do you think?

I do not think this is possible given the Uchiha's motivation, unless we can guarantee our ability to counter economic warfare conducted by the Hyuga to the point that the Uchiha will be comfortably absenting. But given Naruto's enormous wealth, maybe we could try.
 
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In lieu of an action plan, I elected to work on a preliminary section for the next vote:

Talk to Tsunade about the vote:
- Don't BS her. Be direct.
- Emphasize that peace and diplomacy should be attempted and be considered the most important priority of any candidate elected.
- The Goketsu clan is committed toward humanitarian concern(known as Uplift) regardless of the candidacy.
- The clan cannot do so if there is a war and the clan is called upon to destroy Leaf's enemies.
- Given Hiashi's continued antagonism against the clan, it is likely that the Goketsu's work will be impeded by Hiashi's obstructionism.

Feedback is welcome.
 
- The clan cannot do so if there is a war and the clan is called upon to destroy Leaf's enemies.
- Given Hiashi's continued antagonism against the clan, it is likely that the Goketsu's work will be impeded by Hiashi's obstructionism.
More directly, the clan cannot do so if we're all dead because Hiashi directly or indirectly killed us, as Jiraiya indicated would happen if Hiashi got the hat.
 
More directly, the clan cannot do so if we're all dead because Hiashi directly or indirectly killed us, as Jiraiya indicated would happen if Hiashi got the hat.

Jiraiya may be overexaggerating, but I think it's safe to say that HIashi is just worse than Asuma. At the very least, Hiashi is dismissive of Asuma's notion of peace as naive as opposed to a necessity in very short supply.
 
Jiraiya may be overexaggerating, but I think it's safe to say that HIashi is just worse than Asuma. At the very least, Hiashi is dismissive of Asuma's notion of peace as naive as opposed to a necessity in very short supply.
Sorry, I was unclear. By "we" I meant the clan Goketsu in particular because Hiashi will personally see to it that we specifically end up dead.
 
As I had said before, Jiraiya may be exaggerating.
Ah, sorry, it appears I misread you instead. I thought when you said "I think it's safe to say that HIashi is just worse than Asuma" you were saying that Hiashi was more likely to cause war and thus indirectly kill Leaf citizens and/or us as a consequence.

I see now that you were saying instead that it's not worth it to bring up the specific threat to Goketsu (independent of a potential war), and "safer" to make an argument to Tsunade on more concrete/less-Jirayia-exaggeration-based grounds.
 
Ah, sorry, it appears I misread you instead. I thought when you said "I think it's safe to say that HIashi is just worse than Asuma" you were saying that Hiashi was more likely to cause war and thus indirectly kill Leaf citizens and/or us as a consequence.

He is more likely to cause a war, yes. Or just let a war happen due to inaction.
 
Quite a lot, unfortunately. Ensuring that typofixes happen both in main thread and in Story Only is irksome enough.


Please stop discussing this.


You're right in theory, but see comments above about the difficulty of keeping multiple instances in sync when copyedits need to be made.



I regret hearing that you feel this way.

Unless @Velorien and/or @OliWhail argue me out of it, it's happening. The last few days have been vastly more stressful and frustrating for us than they have for you, and I'm not willing to go through this again. We'll toe the line and be good citizens; that way we don't have to spend yet more days trying to coordinate seven people scattered around 9 timezones, all of whom were in the middle of stressful IRL events. Nor do we have to spend several cumulative hours discussing exactly what was wrong and why it was wrong.

I typically try to softpeddle my words in the interest of efficient harmony, but let me be very clear about this: There are three people who make the final decisions as to where MfD is hosted and what does or doesn't happen in the story. You are not one of those three people.




There is still a 5 XP bounty waiting for someone who trawls back through...hmm, let's say the last 30 pages...and gathers up all the economics questions.

There is also a 10XP bounty for people solving all those questions in ways that the QMs are comfortable canonizing.
If I could share an automatic replicator on github, is that something you would consider using?
 
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