- Location
- Yes.
...This...this doesn't affect Naruto, right? I mean, since he's the only Uzumaki and nobody else can cast his vote for him.
Right?
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Right?
- Location
- Kiev, Ukraine
Oh, we're so screwed
Everybody got all twisted into a panic. OliWhail assured me that Naruto will be able to vote.
- Location
- United States
Correct math!
Monthly conditional payments relating to missions - R258,322 (C)
M (mission cost).
M(0.8) = T (80% tax refund from mission)
M(0.5) = B (50% bonus from mission)
M(.02) = P (20% mission pay)
We want T+B = C
.8M + .5M = C = 1.3M
We are trying to solve for M
(2/13)C = P
(2/13)(258,322) = P = 39,741.8
P*5 = M
39,741.8*5 = M = 198,709
If a mission costs R198,709 then we should max out our mission earned conditional payment for that month.
Note: This is assuming one ninja mission - there's a P to account for per ninja per mission.
Dissonance
Luna's Luna
- Location
- Ginnungagap.
- Pronouns
- S/H/T
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Edit:
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Well, fuck.
- Location
- Yes.
Keep in mind there's some unknown tax on filing missions, as Mari commented on the self-funded mission above.
- Location
- United States
To be fair, we don't actually know what any mission besides a Till'n'fill is worth, and those are considered a pittance at R500-R2000.
It wouldn't be particularly strange if a C Rank were worth R200k - but that's one of the questions we still need to figure out for the QMs.
Edit:
Right, this was just to figure out the value on missions done normally.
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- Location
- Yes.
Mortgage is R675,526 a month, so the courier missions would pay roughly R45000 for 2 days work; the homesteading/escort mission would pay roughly R315000 for 2 weeks worth. They pay about evenly per time spent, at around R22500 per day.
Rihaku
The Internet
It would probably be more productive to calculate "value of a ninja's time that can do a mission of Rank X, per day," but the fundamental risk inherent in missions means that Sealing is preferable anyway.
Is the entire team deployed on the mission quoted? Incl. Mari, Kagome? The important figure is "mission pay per ninja of a given Rank," total mission pay is confounded by varying amounts of ninja deployed per mission.
Is the entire team deployed on the mission quoted? Incl. Mari, Kagome? The important figure is "mission pay per ninja of a given Rank," total mission pay is confounded by varying amounts of ninja deployed per mission.
- Location
- Yes.
Just Hazou/Noburi/Keiko, IIRC.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
I'm thinking more in terms of ninja/hours.
In terms of liquid cash we've got the following potential income streams:
- R 38,270 /mo as unconditional
- R 258,322 /mo as conditional liquid cash
- Some amount of money from seal invention taxes (for the next 6-10 months)
- It's unclear how those will work out.
- R 5,200,000 from the last pangolin payment
- ~ R 2,000,000 from Kagome putting 50hrs /mo into skywalker crafting
- ~ R 2,000,000 from Hazou putting 50hrs/mo into skywalker blank creation
- 1.3 mil x 2 /mo from skywalkers
- 0.3 mil from missions and the unconditional flow
- For a total of about R 2.9 million a month in known sustainable income.
- 5.2 mil from the pangolins
- 0.7 mil x 2 sealers x 10 months of higher skywalker prices.
- For a total of about R 19.2 mil as an unsustainable 'windfall' over the next 10 months.
Then there's our potential monthly expenditures:
- R 0.65 mil for the mortgage
- R 2 mil for Hagoromo (if we don't take the ISC deal)
- R 2 mil for whatever deal we end up actually making with the Uchiha or others
- R <0.5 mil for getting the clan compound back in shape.
- R <3 mil for other expenditures, charity, or investments
- My estimate is that high because:
- Leaf is in a period of turmoil that we can exploit for higher rates of return.
- We need to make ourselves a fixture of the city for our own safety. Investments and goodwill are a great way to do that.
- We've got a lot of things we want to do.
- My estimate is that high because:
Optimistically that's ~ 1.65 mil per month if we take the ISC offer, don't make other deals for the hat, and don't spend money elsewhere.
I don't think that's realistic however, and expect us to end up needing 6-8 mil / month within a year. All of which means that I'd want to have an income of ~ 10 mil / mo to be comfortable.
We've got a few months of runway to get there if you include the current liquid cash and the various windfalls.
Some misc useful numbers from @Rihaku, @Evenstar and others:
- ~ 2.2 mil / acre of land we want to buy in Konoha.
- ~ 0.2 mil / acre of farming land which needs no additional security.
- ~ 0.3 million for a high quality 3-4 family house.
- ~ 5 k / mo per civilian we want to support at Leaf's subsistence income.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
C O R R E C T
What I assured you was that there was a reason Hiashi was willing to put effort into scheduling votes for when Naruto was out of town. To my mind, the most plausible reason is that there's a clause in the voting laws that allows bypassing the age requirement IF literally no clan members are 15.
Two Views of the Quest (open the spoiler to see)
- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
You know, it's kind of funny how our most profitable ventures were arms dealing to Nazis and an eugenics program.
It says a lot about the world. Both this and the real one.
It says a lot about the world. Both this and the real one.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Oh god, it's perfect.
- Location
- Yes.
"Has anyone seen my WMD folder" Jashin damnit I died.You know, it's kind of funny how our most profitable ventures were arms dealing to Nazis and an eugenics program.
It says a lot about the world. Both this and the real one.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Even otherwise, the Uchiha had a civilian voting for them for years. Just have have Naruto adopt some random person off the street, and give then a bunch of money to vote as Naruto wants.
Also are we planning to offer Honoka and her family adoption into the Goketsu?
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- Location
- Yes.
There were concerns that adopting Honoka, who is a student in the ninja academy and a potential future ninja, would burn our last adoption slot for the year. There's an argument to be made that it could be better spent elsewhere, or that we would need to burn favors and/or other things in order to get her in.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Fair, so we'll do it after Asuma wins. Or have Naruto adopt them before the Goketsu merge with us.
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- Yes.
No, because Naruto's part of a clan. Clan-clan adoptions or marriages don't count towards the 2-ninja limit, only clanless ninja.
- Location
- Yes.
Anyway, I'd prefer we didn't adopt Honoka at all, unless we are able to use political pressures to let them adopt us without her counting towards that limit. While it's true that we could have Naruto, as the Uzumaki Clan Head, adopt her family into the Uzumaki before they all migrade to the Gouketsu, a lot of clan ninja are gonna see it as us manipulating the rules, which may lead to worsened relations.
Personally, I'd just ask if we can make an agreement that Honoka won't count as a clan ninja for the purposes of taxes/money-related stuff until she makes Jonin, or something like that. It removes a major issue people will have towards her adoption, and sets the stage for us to adopt a whole ton of clanless ninja without ruffling too many feathers. Maybe. Hopefully.
Personally, I'd just ask if we can make an agreement that Honoka won't count as a clan ninja for the purposes of taxes/money-related stuff until she makes Jonin, or something like that. It removes a major issue people will have towards her adoption, and sets the stage for us to adopt a whole ton of clanless ninja without ruffling too many feathers. Maybe. Hopefully.
- Location
- United States
Those seemed like D Ranks? I guess they were also the total value of the mission, divided equally amongst the ninja.
Also - at the time, Hazou and company didn't know about the 80% tax refund or bonus, so wouldn't he have been mistaken about what the missions were worth?
She won't, because she isn't one, and might never be one - and she's still years away from graduating.
I think it's only an issue if we specifically take advantage of the loophole about adopting academy students. If we adopt *one* and her two civilian parents because she's the student of our clan elder (isn't Kagome the eldest?) it would be strange for anyone to object. Especially because it won't accrue any financial benefits to the clan for years.