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I'd be interested in time-skipping.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
I vaguely recall a previous post that I think stated something along the lines of:
"You can use perfectly smooth metal surfaces as mirrors."
"We might be able to make perfectly smooth metal using force walls."
Can you build a telescope exclusively with mirrors?
EDIT: Maybe we can use other transparent materials as lenses.
Air domes compress air, so they might have some lensing effect. We would have to find a way to scale them though.
Maybe manufacturing actual diamonds is easier to do with our skillset than making properly transparent glass.
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Information: Rescinded Infraction
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JulieK
Unintentionally funny
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- Israel
Hey, I've edited the tvtropes page in the past!
JulieK
Unintentionally funny
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- Israel
How about, for the next 5 years, the Gouketsu agree that each year, the Uchiha will select 2 extra clanless nin (adults) whom they would like to adopt. They will be adopted by G., and immediately re-adopted or married into U. Possibly we will get ISC to agree to do the same, to boost numbers.
(@Raxner suggested the plan to me, I'm not sure if it was already mentioned by someone else.)
Dissonance
Luna's Luna
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- Ginnungagap.
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- S/H/T
The only way I see this working is if we give up our adoption slots for this.
There isn't going to be any "extra"
Raxner
The most dangerous man in an empty room
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- Israel
Huh? I thought you suggested the plan to me, and I said it was dubious. Whatever, it's out there now.
Yeah, that's what she's suggesting. That we sell our adoption slots to Clan Uchiha.
Actually, if we adopt Academy students into our clan, would that count against the quota? When does a civilian child with ninja potential become a ninja? If it's upon Academy graduation, then presumably we could adopt any number of Academy students (even a day before they graduate and become Genin). @eaglejarl, @Velorien , @OliWhail , do we know the answer to this?
From a financial point of view, every additional ninja in our Clan (after they graduate) comes with subsidies, and at the very least can earn their own upkeep via D and C ranked missions. If we adopt, for example, every single Academy student, we'll probably end up with a whole bunch of decents, a few really good ninjas, and one or two prodigies. All for effectively free (once those subsidies and mission pay start rolling in).
edit: @JulieK pointed out to me that someone said on Discord that "playing with this" would end very badly. I assume, from the fact that said person spoke up on Discord, that they were concerned with running afoul of the mods again. I've got no idea why that would be the case, as this does not at all involve creating people for sale, selling people, or anything of the sort. It's about adopting existing people into the Clan, a perfectly legitimate and non-controversial thing.
I do expect that, at best, we could do this exactly once before the Clan Council calls shenanigans and closes the loophole.
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Tua
鸡肉面条汤
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If typos and later additions are your biggest concern when mirroring the story on other sides then how would you feel about keeping those updates one week behind the SV thread?
That way you eliminate the need to edit those chapters further and you could entice some people to come check out the thread instead with the fact that there are two additional updates to be had here. (Possibly with better formatting as well.)
From the last time this was mentioned this had nothing to do with mod action. It had everything to do with the existing clans frowning upon us trying to game the system because every ninja we add to our clan makes them weaker in comparison. We'd be very, very unpopular in Leaf even if the Tower didn't stop us from blatantly violating the spirit of the law.
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Raxner
The most dangerous man in an empty room
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If we can't adopt Academy students en masse (someone pointed out to me by private message that there seems to already be a no-shenanigans rule in place for adopting clanless), maybe we could at least adopt pre-graduation Honoka without having her count against our adoption limit? After all, Uncle Kagome has a strong bond with her.
JulieK
Unintentionally funny
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- Israel
Yes, that's the idea. We're going to have to give up something to get the Uchiha vote.
(By extra, I meant the U. are already entitled to adopt two, and we would enable them to adopt two extra.)
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Eaglejarl on discord said the deal with the Uchiha will fall through.
I expect the Uchiha will be forced off by the Hyuga.
Raxner
The most dangerous man in an empty room
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- Israel
Could be. Even so, the same idea might be useful with another Clan, although it wouldn't be as perfectly suited as for Clan Our Prodigy Killed Us All. Alternatively, we might be able to buy someone else's adoption slots.
Move to QQ, you know Zoat's fandom did.
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- Italy
We could, just make an alliance? ISC "We will help each other forever and ever" style?
Yes, we are both weak, but in this way they would control the entirety of Leaf current/future S-rankers.(Naruto/Sasuke/Tsunade).
I mean, it's a fact that Uchiha will never return to their previous power, because no one will let them, and the Hyuga will actively try to stop the Uchiha unless they submit completely to them.
We can offer them an high-risk/High-prize reward: Join our alliance, and their only hope to have a say in Leaf(Two/Three S-ranker + Two votes),and become even stronger thanks to the brother clan they would have(ISC shows how useful it is) or be slowly choked to non-existence by the Hyuga, surviving until Sasuke dies and then...stop.
What would it mean practically? We help solve each other problems, all problems, with the endgame to become a second ISC.
"See!The Hyuga will never let you recover, ever. If Hiashi becomes Hokage, they will choke you to death until you submit....join theilluminati Goketsu-Uchiha alliance"
Yes, we are both weak, but in this way they would control the entirety of Leaf current/future S-rankers.(Naruto/Sasuke/Tsunade).
I mean, it's a fact that Uchiha will never return to their previous power, because no one will let them, and the Hyuga will actively try to stop the Uchiha unless they submit completely to them.
We can offer them an high-risk/High-prize reward: Join our alliance, and their only hope to have a say in Leaf(Two/Three S-ranker + Two votes),and become even stronger thanks to the brother clan they would have(ISC shows how useful it is) or be slowly choked to non-existence by the Hyuga, surviving until Sasuke dies and then...stop.
What would it mean practically? We help solve each other problems, all problems, with the endgame to become a second ISC.
"See!The Hyuga will never let you recover, ever. If Hiashi becomes Hokage, they will choke you to death until you submit....join the
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- Liverpool
I think adopting Honoka and her family would be adorable and totally make sense. Hopefully if we did it as a one- off, and since she's not close to graduating, AND we're not just adoption her, it wouldn't cause issues.
I wonder what it would take to secure the Aburame vote...
I wonder what it would take to secure the Aburame vote...
Raxner
The most dangerous man in an empty room
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- Israel
I'm really leery of making confident predictions. The future is extremely contingent, and unless you're the deity (and neither you nor I are), you don't have control.
I wouldn't even say with certainty that Britain will never again rule New York. I'd assign it a really low probability, but I couldn't say that it's a fact that New York will never again serve the British crown.
Edit: In this case, if I were Sasuke, I would be interested in increasing my personal power as much as possible (pull a Jiraiya), and then marry into the Hyuuga. Imagine a situation where S-Rank Sasuke with highly-developed Sharingan, Head of Clan Uchiha, marries jounin Hyuga Hinati, heir to Clan Hyuga. Maybe Clan Uchiha ceases to exist as an independent entity, but who cares? Sasuke and his children will be catapulted to the highest levels of power within Leaf. It sounds like a desirable outcome for the Hyugas, as well. The only thing better for the Hyugas would be for the marriage to take place immediately, before Sasuke reaches S-rank power levels.
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Raxner
The most dangerous man in an empty room
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- Israel
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Instead of going to meetings with clan leaders I think these actions would be more useful:
Ask Kagome about how much of a danger the rift of blade entities we made is if they escape the stone walls. Didn't he mention it could end up killing....everyone in EN? If it is not an existential risk, this should only take up half an hour of Kagome ranting about sealing dangers.
What type of beast is Fifi and where did Kagome get her from? Probably unimportant but maybe it is and should only take 5 min to do.
So before running around trying to get Asuma the hat we should step back and ask should we actually do that and if so how much do we want it? Is our time better spent preventing Pangolin genocide or influencing the Kage vote?
-Brainstorm with group just how much power we have to actually prevent Pangolin genocide. Ask Pandaa of Pangolin culture, politics etc.
-Brainstorm with group just how important is the Kage vote?
--Find out what power the Hokage has in practice, so we can find out how much we are willing to give up in order to give Asuma the hat.
--We should also find out more about Hyuuga. What is his personality and how will he affect us if he becomes Kage? This will again help us decide how much to give up to prevent him getting the hat, or perhaps we could side with Hyuuga. He seems to me to be prideful and elitist, but the Will of Fire should stop him from doing anything too bad. I think Jiraiya was overreacting or letting his emotions affect him when he said Hyuuga would kill us all. Especially since Hyuuga disliked Jiraiya, not us.
Ask Kagome about how much of a danger the rift of blade entities we made is if they escape the stone walls. Didn't he mention it could end up killing....everyone in EN? If it is not an existential risk, this should only take up half an hour of Kagome ranting about sealing dangers.
What type of beast is Fifi and where did Kagome get her from? Probably unimportant but maybe it is and should only take 5 min to do.
So before running around trying to get Asuma the hat we should step back and ask should we actually do that and if so how much do we want it? Is our time better spent preventing Pangolin genocide or influencing the Kage vote?
-Brainstorm with group just how much power we have to actually prevent Pangolin genocide. Ask Pandaa of Pangolin culture, politics etc.
-Brainstorm with group just how important is the Kage vote?
--Find out what power the Hokage has in practice, so we can find out how much we are willing to give up in order to give Asuma the hat.
--We should also find out more about Hyuuga. What is his personality and how will he affect us if he becomes Kage? This will again help us decide how much to give up to prevent him getting the hat, or perhaps we could side with Hyuuga. He seems to me to be prideful and elitist, but the Will of Fire should stop him from doing anything too bad. I think Jiraiya was overreacting or letting his emotions affect him when he said Hyuuga would kill us all. Especially since Hyuuga disliked Jiraiya, not us.
Jello_Raptor
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- Left of Center
Just as an FYI to anyone working on this, I've gotten a head start on this google doc. Things have been busy as of late so I've not been able to edit it much. The finance stuff starts a few pages down.
Admittedly, my goal with that doc is more "gather what we know about the hokage vote and the economics of leaf" than gathering questions, but even so it'll probably help a lot with finding a coherent solution.
Please add comments to that doc, even if it's just a link to a relevant post. I'm happy to go through specific posts and updates to gather relevant info. Reading the entire thread is what takes time I don't have.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
I distinctly recall a statement from either Kagome or Jiraiya that rifts degrade over time, something on the order of weeks or months. As such I'd put pretty good odds that the rift just doesn't exist anymore. Also note that Kagome is much more experienced at sealing safety procedures and if he hasn't complained about walling it off being insufficient then it's probably sufficient.
Asking about Fifi would only take five minutes, but under the time-slot structure of the week up until the Hokage election a five minute conversation will still take up a time slot (and Hazou will do other productive things in the rest of the time). Plus the QMs seem to like the mystery of Fifi and I don't want to take away their fun.
We've already got a meeting scheduled with Keiko to address the Pangolin issue, and we can schedule follow-up meetings if one turns out to be insufficient. Pretty much everyone else in our clan seems to regard Hiashi getting the hat as an existential threat. Even if you think that Hiashi wouldn't send us on high-risk missions until the Goketsu is an empty clan, though, the Hokage is absolute dictator of the village reined in only by the Clan Council, and Hiashi's politics are fundamentally opposed to ours. I find it safe to say that if Hiashi becomes Hokage, then even if we survive we will struggle to meaningful progress on Uplift without Hiashi obstructing us or undoing our changes.
And the purpose of the meetings with Asuma et al. from my perspective is mainly to make sure things are on the up and up. We've secured enough votes to win Asuma the hat with the Hagoromo deal, so we just need to make sure Hiashi isn't flipping anyone on our side like the Minami. That, and a little connection-building with the soon-to-be Hokage, is well worth the time investment in my opinion.
Mari seems not to think so considering she prioritized long term political power over getting Uchiha's vote.
I think we should find out how much the Clan Council can rein in the Hokage in practice. Also I question how much Hiashi is fundamentally opposed to our politics. Yes he's elitist but he must also have other desiers. Perhaps if we bribe him with enough gold and ninjutsu or whatever it is he wants he could let us do our Uplift.
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