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Actually no, there's no rule about that. She needs to not assist us, and to tell us that we're entering a competition with them, but she needs not tell them.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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I get that. I just strongly believe that the Nara will find out regardless. If we want to include Keiko we need to include the Nara. Which means we aren't including another clan
Cariyaga
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We could just ask Keiko if she would be required -- or would want to for cooperation with her new clan -- to tell about it.
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If they'll find out regardless then we may as well let them know from the get-go, and try to limit the pie you think they'll take. After all, if they're that competent they'll find out even if we don't involve Keiko.
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I would dearly love to write Hazō as the Dog Summoner, with a bunch of dogs varying between big gruff Doberman-esque all the way down to sassy little terriers.
Isn't this simply the "Hurrying / Taking the Time" thing that was discussed earlier?
Recall that seal failures are actually pretty common when someone is working at the edge of their ability, which means anytime a new apprentice is getting started, or a more senior person is learning a seal that is (almost?) too difficult for them. Check back when Hazō was first getting started, or the admittedly-maybe-canon-maybe-not interlude showing Kagome as a kid.various people said:
Cariyaga
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Hazou? Don't you mean Akane?
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Nah, she'd fit in too well with them.Hazou? Don't you mean Akane?
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TaliesinSkye
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Something that occurred to me with the land clearing thing; it is the village hidden in the leaves. What are the chances they have annoying rules against clearing land anywhere nearby to keep forest intact?
Even clearing land way out is still going to be worth something for farming, but if it's not close enough to be useful for Konoha residents that's going to be considerably less valuable.
Even clearing land way out is still going to be worth something for farming, but if it's not close enough to be useful for Konoha residents that's going to be considerably less valuable.
Cariyaga
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Eh. Don't care about that. I intend to clear out the land around Tanzaku Gai, personally.
TaliesinSkye
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Something else to consider in planning is that unless the land is way out in the middle of nowhere someone probably has ownership of it. You'll have to find people willing to sell undeveloped land for cheap. Hopefully it's in private hands and not owned by nobility who're using it as hunting preserve or something and that's why it hasn't been developed. If it's in noble hands then getting them to sell could be very hard. Nobility hate selling land, even for inflated amounts of money, because the land is where they draw their status and income from. Even undeveloped land will give them some income by charging the peasants fees to harvest wood from it and the like.
Interesting legal trivia, in some places the terms of their inheriting the land actually prohibited them from selling it. In England for a while there was a fad where nobility would put covenants on the estates they gave to their heirs to keep an heir from dividing up the land or selling pieces of it off. The idea was to ensure that the family would always have the lands and thereby retain power and status down through the years even if the occasional heir was a spendthrift.
For a while there was an ongoing competition between the solicitors of the English nobility and the House of Commons where the Commons had to keep outlawing various styles of covenant as the nobility kept coming up with new ones. It was a huge national problem because it was keeping whole swaths of the country locked down in hands that weren't using the land efficiently and weren't allowed to sell it to people that would develop it.
The Commons and the courts eventually won the battle with a sort of nuclear option that came together into what we call the rule against perpetuities, which was a blanket expiration of any covenant of any kind on land once it lasted a certain number of years without transferring ownership. The U.S. inherited the rule into our common law and it's still around, although the period is long enough (21 years) that it doesn't come up all that often.
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Cariyaga
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Yeah, that's not gonna be a problem when Tsunade is local.
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I wonder how much protection the nobility have from getting intimidated/murdered by ninja. I suspect it's frowned upon by the Tower, at the very least. Creating tensions between the village and the Daimyo would be problematic in the long run.
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Yeah, but Tsunade.
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Literally no one alive has any degree of authority over her
TaliesinSkye
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She'd probably hesitate for the same reasons the Tower wouldn't want to piss of the authorities of Fire country. Unpowered humans have plenty of ways to do harm if they're sufficiently annoyed, even if they can't win a straight up fight. She wouldn't want people discouraged from seeking her help or instruction, her supplies sabotaged, her students harassed or killed, foreign ninja hired to kill her, her food poisoned, etc etc etc. There's a million ways to make someone's life difficult if you've got money and motivation.
Cariyaga
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Yes, I'm sure they'll be so upset when we come in, but their land from them, make it land productive and sell it back to them for a fee they'll make back within a year and start making loads more in the next few.
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TaliesinSkye
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If you force them to sell they might nevertheless take it poorly regardless of how well they make out by the arrangement. I know I would. If in a society with no legal consequences for doing so and I had the money I'd absolutely ensure that such an individual didn't go around threatening anyone else. The ends don't justify the means used to get there.
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When everyone involved is benefiting from the arrangement and the most powerful person in fire is personally backing it I don't think we have to worry
I am not quite sure if nobles cared about utterly useless lands full of chakra monsters.
TaliesinSkye
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You would be surprised.
If it's near enough to a city that people will want it it's not useless and probably not full of chakra monsters. In the medieval period 'undeveloped' land was highly useful and carefully managed. It produced a continual supply of critically important firewood, as well as non-farm foodstuffs like game and mushrooms. Also medicines. I expect it's swept of monsters regularly to keep all of that economic activity going. Otherwise the population would freeze to death in the winter and be unable to cook food year round.
And that's before we get to the probability of nobility having strong opinions on not selling land because it's theirs, and it was their great, great, great grandfather's, and they'll die damned before they let it leave the family or change a whit. That sort stance was pretty common.
Hopefully there'll be land nearby that's undeveloped in private hands willing to sell or pay well to have it cleared. That may not be the case, though. I'd advocate for plans that keep that in mind so there are fallback plans.
Say, does anyone know if MtD Konoha has paved roads? If they're dirt or whatever we could donate some free earth wall road upgrades, at least for the important streets. It'd be a nice improvement and be a clever way of reinforcing the idea of ninja powers having public uses every time people are outside. It'd also be an advertisement making people aware that the service to get it done existed.
We could maybe spend a few hours out somewhere prototyping a good road design first. A flat slab probably isn't the best design. Maybe something slightly curved just enough to get the rain to roll off, with gutters and raised sidewalks to keep people's shoes out of the manure?
We could experiment with texturing to add friction but with something as gritty as granite it's probably not necessary.
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"undeveloped" land? I am afraid that ain't the case in the medieval Elemental Nations for the vast majority of territories that a noble/hill daimyo might own.
TaliesinSkye
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It's unclear what you mean. Are you trying to say they wouldn't own undeveloped land, or that the undeveloped land they had wouldn't be used, or something else?