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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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faflec said:
...can the Nara do this, though? I recall that one of our unique advantages was Noburi's bloodline which made chakra refill using the various chakra monsters a way to continually clear the land.
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I'm not going to underestimate a clan of thinker bloodline users to be able to figure this out.

We just have a bad history of treating everyone as if they are entirely on Team Uplift. Especially if they used to be. Just look to event 4 where we treated Akane like she was still on the team. This is the same thing. I'd just like to minimize risk while we can
 
Oneiros said:
I'm not going to underestimate a clan of thinker bloodline users to be able to figure this out.
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Oh, so the Nara are going to dedicate their limited resources/spoons to muscle us, their nominal allies, out of a profitable venture, as opposed to doing it to their political opponents? Really?

This is just being unhelpfully paranoid.
 
I included a conditional. If Mari thinks that that concern is reasonable, it'll be listened to.

@Oneiros, is that satisfactory?

Noumero said:
[x] Action Plan: We Totally Are the Good Guys, Don't You See?
Wordcount: 299.
Timeline: January 6.
  • Schedule meetings (at the specified time, or ASAP after it):
    • Nakano's team + Yudai (dinner tonight).
    • Tomorrow: Ino (lunch), Chouza (afternoon), Asuma (dinner).
    • Later this week: Shino, Minami, Keiko (regarding the Seventh Path), Minori.
  • Discuss your suggestions to Tsunade with Akane and Noburi.
    1. Opening a medical institution at/near our compound. We'll:
      • Employ junior med-nin at a better pay than Leaf's general hospital.
      • Provide affordable healthcare to civilians.
      • Offer genin, Academy students, and civilians medical education, and subsequent employment.
      • Prefer to collaborate with Tsunade's organization on this.
    2. A cut in the land-clearing scheme if she supports it.
    3. General offer of funding.
  • Land-clearing scheme:
    • Acquire a 1 km2 plot of beast-infested land outside Leaf.
    • Clear it with seals (Force Walls, youthenizers, explosives, storage), Naruto's clones and/or Keiko's summons.
    • Drain captured beasts for chakra. Sell their bits for profit.
      • Would the Pangolins be interested in the exotic food? Or, for that matter, wood?
    • Build makeshift walls using cut trees.
    • Invite farmers in. Sell the land.
    • Expected income: 23 million ryo (cf. Akatsuki's work in Wind).
  • Research laws pertaining to land ownership. Any issues?
    • Get Mari's input.
    • Concern: the Nara have similar plans. If we inform Keiko, will she be obliged to inform them, at which point they'll outcompete us? If yes, don't include her for now.
  • Try to get meetings with Keiko and Naruto. Get them on-board.
    • Delegate to Noburi (you're busy with laws)?
  • Meet with the clan and Naruto, Tsunade, Keiko (whichever are on-board). Iron out the details. How to:
    • Get the landowner's cooperation.
    • Make quick money. Sell the land to a Clan? Arrange a land-clearing/extermination mission?
  • Scout out a suitable location.
    • Hire civilian specialists (lumberjacks...) as consultants, to optimize methodology?
    • Practice on the jungle at our compound?
  • In spare time, scribe Kagome's Skywalkers.
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faflec said:
Ehhhh...it sounds like the Nara are copying the idea to have long-term clearance around a village, as opposed to turning an area of wilderness into farmland.
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How would that increase that Wind town's economic output twelvefold? They had to have been using the land.
...can the Nara do this, though? I recall that one of our unique advantages was Noburi's bloodline which made chakra refill using the various chakra monsters a way to continually clear the land.
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Akimichi?
Byzantine279 said:
I was operating under the assumption that the vast majority of leaf's seal masters aren't going to be making new seals - they are just going to keep making seals they have a TN of 0 on, But I was still about a power of 100 off, so it would be crit failing 3 dice at once.
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That's still one failure per sixteen years. :p
 
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faflec said:
Oh, so the Nara are going to dedicate their limited resources/spoons to muscle us, their nominal allies, out of a profitable venture, as opposed to doing it to their political opponents? Really?

This is just being unhelpfully paranoid.
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This is an incredibly valuable operation and yes I expect the Nara to try to take as much of it for themselves as they can. They will do this under the guise of helping us. While at the same time acting like we couldn't do this without them.

I just want minimal opsec. Don't leak stuff. As it is now we are going to have the Nara involved. If y'all insist on including Kei we should just go ahead and negotiate to get the Nara involved in this op from the beginning

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@Noumero yeah that works for me

[x] Action Plan: We Totally Are the Good Guys, Don't You See?
 
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Noumero said:
That's still one failure per sixteen years. :p
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One decidedly lethal failure per 16 years. ...I mentioned and then forgot to account for the whole one roll per village thing - that's actually a reasonable number of a veteran sealmaster, given most sealmasters that survive the early training are fairly good. Though perhaps 1/2 to 2/3 of it would be better. Hard to say, we don't know the veterancy of Leaf's sealmasters.
 
Noumero said:
How would that increase that Wind town's economic output twelvefold? They had to have been using the land.
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...yes? I have been under the impression that our operation is to convert wilderness into arable farmland and then sell it, not keep farmland save via continued clearance of threats.
Noumero said:
Akimichi?
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The issue is chakra reserves, IMO. Akimichi can clear land, yes, but they can't sustain it unless they commit a fuckton of people or spend a fuckton more time, which'll bring up the issue of said people not going on missions that are critical to the village's prosperity.
 
faflec said:
The issue is chakra reserves, IMO. Akimichi can clear land, yes, but they can't sustain it unless they commit a fuckton of people or spend a fuckton more time, which'll bring up the issue of said people not going on missions that are critical to the village's prosperity.
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Akimichi stimulants + chakra-efficient body-transformation techniques?
Byzantine279 said:
One decidedly lethal failure per 16 years. ...I mentioned and then forgot to account for the whole one roll per village thing - that's actually a reasonable number of a veteran sealmaster, given most sealmasters that survive the early training are fairly good. Though perhaps 1/2 to 2/3 of it would be better. Hard to say, we don't know the veterancy of Leaf's sealmasters.
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Ehh, it sounds like an annual occurrence to me, at least. Probably even more frequent; if mere 2% of sealmasters died each year, that wouldn't have resulted in sealing being seen as highly-dangerous. (Compare with annual ninja mortality in general: Leaf had around 1500 ninja at the start of the quest, and I bet significantly more than 30 of them die per year.)
 
D&D 'random spell effects' are very interesting in the concept of spell failures. Usually requires some tweaking but who knows what will happen?

Magic Surge! is a fun one.

* 8451 All transparent matter within one mile is as fragile as glass
* 3855 When caster next enters his home, the floor vanishes
* 7464 Target's skin is magically delicious
 
Noumero said:
Akimichi stimulants + chakra-efficient body-transformation techniques?
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"Akimichi stimulants," Jiraiya mumbled, dunking some of the bread in the soup and bringing it to his lips. Soup spattered but he managed to get some of it down. "They let you keep going, but they're hell on the body. Ran my feet bloody and my chakra so low I almost died, but I didn't realize it until after they wore off. Didn't help that I was carrying someone the whole time."
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I dunno about how chakra-efficient the Baika no Jutsu is, but I don't think Akimichi stimulants are something they're gonna wanna use all that often.
 
[x] Action Plan: We Totally Are the Good Guys, Don't You See?


Noumero said:
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Well, we just need to organize a date with her.
Tomorrow, Early Morning? We should have some time before Ino.

Oneiros said:
Including her includes the Nara which I do not advise doing. We can successfully clear the land without her so we should. Is incredibly basic OPSEC that we need to implement
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Oneiros said:
If we involve Kei in the actual plan the Nara will find out. I suspect that even if Keiko didn't tell Nara he would investigate what she is doing. If we don't want this taken over by the Nara we need to be cautious
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In my humble opinion:
If Shikamaru find out something is happening, the only thing that will happen is that Keiko will "gently" ask if this means she's allowed to tell us everything she knows about the Nara, then Shikamaru will shut up or he will directly go to us.
More probably, Shikamaru will ignore it, because he knows an alliance needs trust, if he start probing in bad-faith for intel, it could bring Keiko to do the same at the worse time.(Worse case scenario, it'll break the alliance and that, before the Hokage election, is bad for everyone).
Still, asking Mari seems like a good idea.

EDIT:Also, Don't we need the Pangolings to do it?
 
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Noumero said:
Should we include Asuma in land-clearing? More summons for us, reputational boost + show of force for him...
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We very much should. Good for his general popularity, gives us another tie to a significant Leaf clan, and might come in handy for us later to have Monkey friends.

Here's hoping the Pangolins and Monkeys aren't secretly terrible enemies.
 
Cariyaga said:
I mean. We could use Asuma instead of Keiko.
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Given our lack of knowledge regarding Asuma's Summoning contracts and/or free time, I don't know if he'll be able to spend time doing this in the short-term. Long-term, it won't matter because we'll have the Toads...but I'm honestly not sure if Asuma is gonna be able to work with us on this.
Oneiros said:
Honestly the person I want most to cut in is Tsunade
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All of the this, but aren't we already?
 
Cariyaga said:
I mean. We could use Asuma instead of Keiko.
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> Running Kei.exe
> ...
> ...
> ...
> Kei lowered her head and did not meet Hazou's eyes. Perhaps some spark of defiance would have been seen in her own, and Hazou did not deserve that. It was not his fault that he had finally realised how worthless and untrustworthy she was. It was her fault for grasping stupidly at a hope that was never hers to kindle, idiot child that she was. It was good that Hazou had found a more valuable summoner to entrust his schemes to. Kei was glad for him. "Congratulations." she said, and something in her tone must have tipped him off for the enthusiasm in his eyes dimmed.
> ...
> Frowning, Hazou said "Keiko? Is something the matter?", and a part of Kei nearly responded to him. Yes, something was the matter. Would it kill him to-- No. Kei would not tread this path again. Kei did not deserve to be consulted in his schemes. He had no doubt finally noticed, on some level, that her contributions were not worth the cost of interacting with her, and so had instinctively avoided asking her.
> ...
> "Everything is fine, Hazou." she responded. Then she turned and left.
 
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Oneiros said:
Kinda? I basically want to split the profits from this 3 ways. 1/3 to us, 1/3 to someone on our faction (personally Tsunade) and, 1/3 to Abruma or Inuzakai
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So we get eight million ryo if we assume a kilometer square of land is worth 26 million ryo. That's enough to pay for Hagoromo for...four months.
 
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faflec said:
Given our lack of knowledge regarding Asuma's Summoning contracts and/or free time, I don't know if he'll be able to spend time doing this in the short-term. Long-term, it won't matter because we'll have the Toads...but I'm honestly not sure if Asuma is gonna be able to work with us on this.
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Won't it be very useful for him? According to Mari, he's viewed as somewhat weak, combat-wise. Such a show of force would be very beneficial for his image...

Also, ah, was everyone else cognizant of the fact that Tsunade is the bloody Slug Summoner, and will therefore provide the summons even if Keiko and Asuma won't? Because that's a thing.

Anyway, note changes:
Noumero said:
[x] Action Plan: We Totally Are the Good Guys, Don't You See?
Wordcount: 298.
Timeline: January 6.
  • Schedule meetings:
    • Nakano's team + Yudai (dinner tonight).
    • Tomorrow: Ino (lunch), Chouza (afternoon), Asuma (dinner).
    • Later this week: Shino, Minami, Keiko (topic: Summoning), Minori.
  • Discuss your suggestions to Tsunade with Akane and Noburi.
    1. Opening a medical institution at/near our compound. We'll:
      • Employ junior med-nin at a better pay than Leaf's general hospital.
      • Provide affordable healthcare to civilians.
      • Offer genin, Academy students, and civilians medical education, and subsequent employment.
      • Prefer to collaborate with Tsunade's organization.
    2. A cut in the land-clearing scheme.
    3. General offer of funding.
  • Land-clearing scheme:
    • Acquire a 1 km2 plot of beast-infested land outside Leaf.
    • Clear it with seals (Force Walls, youthenizers, explosives, storage), Naruto's clones and/or Pangolins, Monkeys, Slugs.
    • Drain captured beasts for chakra. Sell their bits for profit.
      • Would the Summon Clans buy the exotic food? Or wood?
    • Build makeshift walls using cut trees.
    • Invite farmers in. Sell the land.
    • Expected income: 23 million ryo (cf. Akatsuki's work in Wind).
  • Research laws pertaining to land ownership. Any issues?
    • Get Mari's input.
    • Concern: the Nara have similar plans. If we inform Keiko, will she have to inform them, at which point they'll outcompete us? If yes, don't include her for now.
  • Try to get meetings with Keiko and Naruto. Get them on-board.
    • Delegate to Noburi (you're busy with laws)?
  • Should we invite Asuma? Summons for us, boost for image + show of force for him...
    • Delegate to Mari.
  • Meet with the clan and Naruto, Tsunade, Asuma, Keiko (whichever are on-board). Iron out the details. How to:
    • Get the landowner's cooperation.
    • Make quick money. Sell the land to a Clan? Arrange a land-clearing/extermination mission?
  • Find a suitable location.
    • Hire civilian specialists (lumberjacks...) as consultants, to optimize methodology?
    • Practice on the jungle at our compound?
  • In spare time, scribe Kagome's Skywalkers.
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Kiba said:
So we get eight million ryo if we assume a kilometer square of land is worth 26 million ryo. That's enough to pay for Hagoromo for...four months.
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Yeah and we do this every month. Creating a deep long term relationship with the people who we cut in. 8 million ryo a month is a good long term investment
 
Noumero said:
Won't it be very useful for him? According to Mari, he's viewed as somewhat weak, combat-wise. Such a show of force would be very beneficial for his image...

Also, ah, was everyone else cognizant of the fact that Tsunade is the bloody Slug Summoner, and will therefore provide the summons even if Keiko and Asuma won't? Because that's a thing.

Anyway, note changes:
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One question, why are we selling the land instead of renting it to farmers? Or entering a contract with the farmers in which we take a cut of X of their profits in exchange for the land?
 
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