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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Lord Marshal said:
I was under the impression the Wardens were real, considering Jiraiya was "Don't fuck with this, full stop. SERIOUSLY, STOP " not "they could or could not be real".
And if we piss them off, i'm fairly sure it will be an instant death.
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I might be wrong about this, but my interpretation was that the post was one of @Noumero 's joke posts. They're often difficult to tell apart from his normal posts.

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Never mind, I was wrong. Commence the screaming.
 
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Lord Marshal said:
I was under the impression the Wardens were real, considering Jiraiya was "Don't fuck with this, full stop. SERIOUSLY, STOP " not "they could or could not be real".
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I find @MMKII's argument against their existence convincing: If they existed, they would have done something about Pain's attempt to end the world as we know it, be that stopping him or, if they wanted him to succeed, stopping the Kages' alliance. Instead, they did nothing. This was exactly the kind of thing they were meant to interfere with, so...

Regarding Jiraiya's account — well, as Oneiros mentioned, it sounds suspiciously like sleep paralysis. And then a priori they sound more implausible than the Lupchanzen conspiracy.
Sentient Tree said:
I might be wrong about this, but my interpretation was that the post was one of @Noumero 's joke posts. They're often difficult to tell apart from his normal posts.
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Nope, not a joke, just mad science.
 
If the Watchers existed as a group of human-like intelligences and had the Jiraiya-supposed-goals as earlier stated by him, I think they would've maybe tried to stop a dozen random assholes from potentially ending the world by using some back of the envelope

Super Sealing + Demons + Rinnegan = Best Timeline

nonsense that they would have had no way of actually testing until that very moment.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Well, I wasn't the one who first came up with it, but I tend to bring it back up when this topic resurfaces.

I'm also not 100% sold on it either, but I do feel like it's a strong possibility, and perhaps even more likely than the incident actually being genuine. Here's what I said about it last time though:
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Noumero said:
Regarding Jiraiya's account — well, as Oneiros mentioned, it sounds suspiciously like sleep paralysis. And then a priori they sound more implausible than the Lupchanzen conspiracy.
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IIRC Jiraiya already considered the option.


Velorien said:
"I woke up, but I couldn't move, like there was this huge weight on top of me, except there wasn't. I couldn't see or hear anything… except this voice. It said that out of respect for my name as Jiraiya of the Leaf Three, I would get one chance. I was never to weaponise sealing failure again, or in any other way use sealcrafting to endanger the survival of civilisation. Then I went back to sleep, and in the morning it might all have been a dream, except that somebody had taken care to disable all of the traps around my door, and then fix them again after they left.
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He noted the traps around his door were disarmed and rearmed again.
I assume he noted some difference in the seals that brought him to think so.
But Jiraiya wasn't calm in that moment.... Uhm, we should ask Kagome if it can be noted that a seal was disabled and then fixed.


Noumero said:
I find @MMKII's argument against their existence convincing: If they existed, they would have done something about Pain's attempt to end the world as we know it, be that stopping him or, if they wanted him to succeed, stopping the Kages' alliance. Instead, they did nothing. This was exactly the kind of thing they were meant to interfere with, so...
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Fair enough, but there could be other explanations.
Does this means that they surely exist? Of course not.
But if we take this bet, we risk an instant death, so i would go for the better safe than sorry route, unless we have no choice.
Especially when sealing failures are risky enough without the Watchers.
Opening a portal to the Out could be as deadly as them killing us in our sleep.

EDIT: on the other tentacle, we could make a contract with an unholy abomination if we survive
 
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Speaking of Sealing, we need to spec hard into the tone seal tech tree.

If we don't blast Freebird while nuking hell, I'll be very dissapointed. Likewise if we aren't escaping with Jiraiya and Shinji on the back of an Impulse seal powered motorcycle to the tune of Bat out of Hell. This would be a grave injustice.
 
I swear by the end of this quest Hazo will either have gotten himself killed off early or survived long enough to go the Sasori/Orochimaru route by shedding his mortality/humanity and turning himself into the magical ninja equivalent of a golem lich with seal based bio-necromancy, there is no inbetween with this thread.
 
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Shadowwarp said:
I swear by the end of this quest Hazo will either have gotten himself killed off early or survived long enough to go the Sasori/Orochimaru route by shedding his mortality/humanitu and turning himself into the magical ninja equivalent of a golem lich with seal based bio-necromancy, there is no inbetween with this thread.
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Its entirely possible we might hack ourself into godhood first! Don't set the bar so low!!
 
I remembered this week that giving skywalkers to a shadow clone and having them run upward and try to touch the moon wouldn't work, because shadow clones have a distance limitation - re: Jiraiya's clone's conversation with the Kage when he ran off to stop anyone draining pangolins. Which means having an actual expedition is more resource-intensive, especially with issues of safety and protection against things like sky squid. Probably not priority, although if space exists or the sky extends high enough then orbital strikes could be possible.
 
Jernau said:
re: Jiraiya's clone's conversation with the Kage when he ran off to stop anyone draining pangolins.
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J's SC was definitely faking having a range limit, since we see from it's internal narration that it popped itself mid-sentence to falsely give the impression of J having gone outside it's range.

Whether SC's do still have a range limit that J just happened to not be outside of when the clone popped itself is unknown.
 
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TaliesinSkye said:
Has Kagome ever explained off screen just what's going wrong inside the seals that causes them to fail eventually, or if nobody knows? Does what Hazou know about sealing suggest whether it's possible to deliberately make them out of more robust 'parts' that will take much longer to fail, or won't fail pretty much ever?

And if you don't mind a second question, is the general idea of seals that they store chakra when infused and save it until they get used, or does the infusion start some sort of a process of absorbing chakra to power the seal that ends when it's activated, or is it neither of those things and something else entirely?
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Kagome and Hazō have discussed it. So far as anyone is aware, seals eventually failing is simply a property of the universe, much like ice melting when it gets hot. Some seals are as robust as they can get, others are primitive enough that there is room to improve their duration or other characteristics.

Infusing a blank turns it into a seal that is capable of being activated. Activating a seal sets up 'machinery' that can pull wisps of chakra from the environment in order to produce a particular effect. People have considered seals that actually store chakra for later use, but according to Kagome it's generally considered idiotic, and no seal that Hazō is aware of does that.


faflec said:
Does Hazou have this information now (specifically, how much each seal is worth)? Alternatively (and to save on your spoons), could we get the money we'd be making for selling seals to the tower, assuming we only made seals that were worth the most per unit time?
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See below re: skywalker seals, which are currently (and permanently, by Tower fiat) the most valuable.

Player QuINOA said:
What happened with the skywalker patent? Did Jiraiya claim it as Goketsu? Is there even a patent?
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"Patent" is too strong a word; there's no protection against having the seal copied, it's simply that anyone who researches and sells your seal needs to pay you 50% royalties for a couple years.

Yes, Jiraiya set this up. The price and number of these would be difficult for the Tower to pay in cash, so they are adding the profits to your clan stipend: Each month you get 10% as cash and 90% as an addition to your non-monetary-benefits account.
 
OliWhail said:
Kagome and Hazō have discussed it. So far as anyone is aware, seals eventually failing is simply a property of the universe, much like ice melting when it gets hot. Some seals are as robust as they can get, others are primitive enough that there is room to improve their duration or other characteristics.

Infusing a blank turns it into a seal that is capable of being activated. Activating a seal sets up 'machinery' that can pull wisps of chakra from the environment in order to produce a particular effect. People have considered seals that actually store chakra for later use, but according to Kagome it's generally considered idiotic, and no seal that Hazō is aware of does that.
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A technique or seal that 'burned' all the environmental chakra in an area would create a null-seal field.
 
@OliWhail, Cariyaga mentioned on discord that we could add a huge bounty to a mission we intend to do, so that we can claim the entirety of our mission-based conditional payments from the artificially inflated bounty of one mission.

Are there rules against that? I have a hard time seeing the Tower setting up a system that incentivizes clan ninja to do missions and just standing by when someone abuses the bounty system to circumvent the incentive structure.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
@OliWhail, Cariyaga mentioned on discord that we could add a huge bounty to a mission we intend to do, so that we can claim the entirety of our mission-based conditional payments from the artificially inflated bounty of one mission.

Are there rules against that? I have a hard time seeing the Tower setting up a system that incentivizes clan ninja to do missions and just standing by when someone abuses the bounty system to circumvent the incentive structure.
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HIASHI: How the fuck did we forget to make tax fraud illegal?!
SHIKAMARU: I believe we were too busy making sure the tax system screwed everyone else over in the most impenetrable way possible. Stopping the clans from abusing the system wasn't really high on the priority list.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
@OliWhail, Cariyaga mentioned on discord that we could add a huge bounty to a mission we intend to do, so that we can claim the entirety of our mission-based conditional payments from the artificially inflated bounty of one mission.

Are there rules against that? I have a hard time seeing the Tower setting up a system that incentivizes clan ninja to do missions and just standing by when someone abuses the bounty system to circumvent the incentive structure.
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It's worth noting that the tower would still take their cut of the bounty. For most ninja that'd just be giving the tower more money. In our case it'd just get us the bonus +50% funding as well.
 
I figure we can get away with it twice before the Tower cracks down on it and gives us a minimum mission count (they wouldn't want to discourage us increasing bounties - they get money for that) to claim the bonus.

I don't think it's too likely to be banned because most clans would have absolutely no incentive to do it - they'll earn the bonus normally without the rather unpleasant amount lost to taxes. And as @MadScientist joked the system was set up quite strongly for clans to have every advantage. It's entirely possible they saw this and were perfectly happy with it - with a tacit understanding that clans would only do so in dire conditions, and would make up for it later on.
 
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MadScientist said:
HIASHI: How the fuck did we forget to make tax fraud illegal?!
SHIKAMARU: I believe we were too busy making sure the tax system screwed everyone else over in the most impenetrable way possible. Stopping the clans from abusing the system wasn't really high on the priority list.
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HAZOU: First, I think you meant "penetrable". Second, I'll have you know that all of these missions had extra bounties put on them by Sharkskin and Shells International, a business entity completely unaffiliated with me or my clan.

SHIKAMARU: Right. Of course.
 
OliWhail said:
Kagome and Hazō have discussed it. So far as anyone is aware, seals eventually failing is simply a property of the universe, much like ice melting when it gets hot. Some seals are as robust as they can get, others are primitive enough that there is room to improve their duration or other characteristics.

Infusing a blank turns it into a seal that is capable of being activated. Activating a seal sets up 'machinery' that can pull wisps of chakra from the environment in order to produce a particular effect. People have considered seals that actually store chakra for later use, but according to Kagome it's generally considered idiotic, and no seal that Hazō is aware of does that.



See below re: skywalker seals, which are currently (and permanently, by Tower fiat) the most valuable.


"Patent" is too strong a word; there's no protection against having the seal copied, it's simply that anyone who researches and sells your seal needs to pay you 50% royalties for a couple years.

Yes, Jiraiya set this up. The price and number of these would be difficult for the Tower to pay in cash, so they are adding the profits to your clan stipend: Each month you get 10% as cash and 90% as an addition to your non-monetary-benefits account.
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Thank you! It is super good to have a better background understanding of what's going on with seals.

I'm guessing seals normally pull in Nature chakra and that's at least one reason why Kagome things using them as chakra storage is stupid, because he doesn't want to wind up as statuary if nature chakra leaked in to a theoretical chakra storage seal.

Can anyone think of an experiment or other way we could make traction on the mystery of why seals break down for no apparent reason over time? Maybe we need some hypotheses for what might be going on before we can get that far.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
@OliWhail, Cariyaga mentioned on discord that we could add a huge bounty to a mission we intend to do, so that we can claim the entirety of our mission-based conditional payments from the artificially inflated bounty of one mission.

Are there rules against that? I have a hard time seeing the Tower setting up a system that incentivizes clan ninja to do missions and just standing by when someone abuses the bounty system to circumvent the incentive structure.
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What happens if someone else picks up this mission?
 
OliWhail said:
Kagome and Hazō have discussed it. So far as anyone is aware, seals eventually failing is simply a property of the universe, much like ice melting when it gets hot. Some seals are as robust as they can get, others are primitive enough that there is room to improve their duration or other characteristics.

Infusing a blank turns it into a seal that is capable of being activated. Activating a seal sets up 'machinery' that can pull wisps of chakra from the environment in order to produce a particular effect. People have considered seals that actually store chakra for later use, but according to Kagome it's generally considered idiotic, and no seal that Hazō is aware of does that.



See below re: skywalker seals, which are currently (and permanently, by Tower fiat) the most valuable.


"Patent" is too strong a word; there's no protection against having the seal copied, it's simply that anyone who researches and sells your seal needs to pay you 50% royalties for a couple years.

Yes, Jiraiya set this up. The price and number of these would be difficult for the Tower to pay in cash, so they are adding the profits to your clan stipend: Each month you get 10% as cash and 90% as an addition to your non-monetary-benefits account.
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Information incorporated in various places.
 
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