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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Velorien said:
Action Plan: Just Chill is victorious. Well, strictly speaking, it's a tie with Just Sealing and Chill, but RedV's vote came right as I was typing this post, so I'm using it as a tie-breaker.

Training Hazou: Research the Storage Scroll
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How are you going to decide what to do with Sealing?

There were basically 4 action plan options this round to vote:

Just Chill - Get along with the villagers and get Akane some training
Just Sealing and Chill - Do the previous but get the Yoshida's help with sealing and do some trading
Just Chill in Our Own Sealing Lab - Do the Just Chill but do the Sealing in our own lab after informing Yoshida (nobody, not even the planner, voted for this option)
Arctic Chill - Don't do sealing or interact with the villagers at all

Just Chill doesn't explicitly ban sealing but it's pretty heavily implied since it was posted as an alternative (in the same post) to Just Sealing and Chill that has Hazou do Sealing. That was really why I made two plans in the first place, to give people a plan to vote if they don't want to do Sealing. All the logistics and preparation for Sealing are in the Just Sealing and Chill plan, because I assumed that people would make their mind about the action plan and then vote for the training plan accordingly.

Mainly I'm worried if you are going to have horrible things happen to the team because the winning plan seemingly doesn't take Sealing into account at all.
 
Twofold said:
How are you going to decide what to do with Sealing?

There were basically 4 action plan options this round to vote:

Just Chill - Get along with the villagers and get Akane some training
Just Sealing and Chill - Do the previous but get the Yoshida's help with sealing and do some trading
Just Chill in Our Own Sealing Lab - Do the Just Chill but do the Sealing in our own lab after informing Yoshida (nobody, not even the planner, voted for this option)
Arctic Chill - Don't do sealing or interact with the villagers at all

Just Chill doesn't explicitly ban sealing but it's pretty heavily implied since it was posted as an alternative (in the same post) to Just Sealing and Chill that has Hazou do Sealing. That was really why I made two plans in the first place, to give people a plan to vote if they don't want to do Sealing. All the logistics and preparation for Sealing are in the Just Sealing and Chill plan, because I assumed that people would make their mind about the action plan and then vote for the training plan accordingly.

Mainly I'm worried if you are going to have horrible things happen to the team because the winning plan seemingly doesn't take Sealing into account at all.
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No other Hazō training plans have been proposed except "Nope", so I think the reasonable thing to do would be to perform no sealing research this update.

The storage scrolls we acquired from the village: Can he get anything else useful out of them? Counters or something like that?
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What does "counters" mean here?
 
Velorien said:
What does "counters" mean here?
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Whoops. I was going for the verb not the noun, I guess that sentence makes it ambiguous. So "something that nullifies" instead of "tabletops" or "record keeping trinkets".

Basically it asks if there are any anti-sealing preparations we could possibly take if we are intimate with the style of the sealmaster in question.
 
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Twofold said:
Whoops. I was going for the verb not the noun, I guess that sentence makes it ambiguous. So "something that nullifies" instead of "tabletops" or "record keeping trinkets".

Basically it asks if there are any anti-sealing preparations we could possibly take if we are intimate with the style of the sealmaster in question.
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I did figure out that much, but was confused by the idea of attempting to counter a storage seal. Exactly what kind of thing would you consider to be anti-sealing preparations?
 
Velorien said:
Exactly what kind of thing would you consider to be anti-sealing preparations?
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I honestly have no idea. The idea was floated by someone so I added it to the plan. I guess you could say that I was mostly fishing with it.

I guess if I had to come up with some justification, it would be that the village has been separated from the normal sealing culture for so long that there might be some obvious exploits against their seals that have long since been pruned out from the normal sealcraft culture of the Elemental Nations.

For example: Maybe they use too much water element (...are the elements even a thing in sealcraft?) and if we up the moisture in the air, the seals will either fail catastrophically by themselves or when they are activated.

Or maybe they use too much wind element, so if they are left in direct sunlight they will explode.

EDIT: Basically alter the environment so that using their type of seals becomes hazardous, or potentially interact with the seals directly to create a desired effect. It might be that the weak points are the same in other seals too besides storage scrolls.
 
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Velorien said:
I did figure out that much, but was confused by the idea of attempting to counter a storage seal. Exactly what kind of thing would you consider to be anti-sealing preparations?
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Maybe getting a fire jutsu to destroy paper the seal is drawn on? Earth to melt away seals worked into rock? Medical Ninjutsu(or surgery) to heal the marks of a seal on the body? Other than that, I have no idea on the subject.
 
Those sound like things that would work against every seal ever. I'll see what Kagome thinks, but I dunno how much help he'll be if that's all he has to go on.
 
@Velorien, I don't think it's fair to use RedV's vote as a tiebreaker when that would invalidate the winning Training plan. And I understand it's too late for me to vote, but for what it's worth, I would have picked the Action Plan that allows Sealing research.
 
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Velorien said:
Those sound like things that would work against every seal ever. I'll see what Kagome thinks, but I dunno how much help he'll be if that's all he has to go on.
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Alright, it was a bit of a long shot anyways. I hope that means that our enemies will also have difficulties in coming up with counters to our seals, even if our style spreads around a bit.

HoratioVonBecker said:
I don't think it's fair to use RedV's vote as a tiebreaker when that would invalidate the winning Training plan. I understand it's too late for me to vote, but for what it's worth, I would have picked the Action Plan that allows Sealing research.
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To be fair, RedV's vote made the count 4 for Just Chill and 3 for Just Sealing and Chill and it was posted before deadline (UTC 12 pm). Edit: Ugh, had the wrong time-zone settings in the preferences. RedV's vote was 3 minutes late, but it's not uncommon for the QMs to count votes that come in even later.

You can't really complain if you show up after the deadline.
 
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HoratioVonBecker said:
@Velorien, I don't think it's fair to use RedV's vote as a tiebreaker when that would invalidate the winning Training plan. And I understand it's too late for me to vote, but for what it's worth, I would have picked the Action Plan that allows Sealing research.
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Nah, training plans have always been tied to action plans, not vice versa. If we can't do sealing safely, we don't do sealing at all. Too bad about you missing the deadline, but, well. These things happen.
 
Twofold said:
Alright, it was a bit of a long shot anyways. I hope that means that our enemies will also have difficulties in coming up with counters to our seals, even if our style spreads around a bit.



To be fair, RedV's vote made the count 4 for Just Chill and 3 for Just Sealing and Chill and it was posted before deadline (UTC 12 pm).

You can't really complain if you show up after the deadline.
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I read it as him making them equal. So no, I won't complain.
Although I believe more people voted for Sealing Research than for a compatible Action Plan.
 
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HoratioVonBecker said:
@Velorien, I don't think it's fair to use RedV's vote as a tiebreaker when that would invalidate the winning Training plan. And I understand it's too late for me to vote, but for what it's worth, I would have picked the Action Plan that allows Sealing research.
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My rationale is the following:

1) When the vote is a draw, the results are in the hands of the gods (i.e. the QMs).

2) Where there is a conflict, action plans trump training plans.

3) Training plans which are fundamentally action plan items (such as sealing research) get even lower priority than everything else.

Twofold said:
Alright, it was a bit of a long shot anyways. I hope that means that our enemies will also have difficulties in coming up with counters to our seals, even if our style spreads around a bit.
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It's more the case that the more specific your research plans, the easier it is for you to find something with practical applications - just like the PMYF is much easier to set up as a research task than, say, "create a seal that lets us look like Orochimaru". But if you consider this as the first step of an investigation into a whole sub-field of sealing you've never touched before, there's the possibility that even a vague question will come up with something.

If seal counters to specific sealing styles are possible, and your enemies dedicate themselves to researching same, then they will get results sooner or later (assuming they don't blow themselves up first).

Twofold said:
To be fair, RedV's vote made the count 4 for Just Chill and 3 for Just Sealing and Chill and it was posted before deadline (UTC 12 pm).
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Actually, it was posted after. Or at least from where I am, it says 12:03 pm. One might argue that's a tiny difference, but since I was online at 12 pm and already in the process of writing the announcement when RedV posted...
 
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Velorien said:
I'll see what Kagome thinks, but I dunno how much help he'll be if that's all he has to go on.
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Probably something like "AAAAAAAH! Why would you do that?! You'll invalidate the seal's proofs and the higher-dimensional slug-crab-things will appear and the people killed by their rendition of 'the wheels on the wagon go round and round' will be the lucky ones!"
 
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    • Jello_Raptor said:
    [J] Training Keiko: Research "Strapon"
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    hey Please don't make these kind of comments about a character who is only thirteen. It isn't the kind of thing we like to see.

    If it were an older character, there would be no issue, but with characters that age, it's a bit problematic even when in jest. I do realise that it's easy to think of characters as older than they actually are, and this was just an offhand comment, not any kind of serious suggestion. Consequently you haven't been infracted, and have just received a Warning for Marginal Behaviour, but please try to keep this in mind in future.

    Thanks for your time.
     
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    • My bad. That was not what I meant at all, and I shouldn't have made that joke.

    I just tend to assume any arranged marriages of that sort don't actually occur until the participants are much older. Even if they are betrothed to each other quite early. Which is not to say that I condone arranged marriages.

    But all that's a discussion for a different thread.
     
    Maybe we just need to get to the point where we can start a time skip so that all of the characters would be older and this would be a non-issue.

    All in favor of spending ~5 years in the Village Hidden in the Mountain to win over the populace and training nonstop so that we get sealing from Yoshida, Summoning for Keiko, and minions for the hivemind, say "Aye."

    :3
     
    Dictator4Hire said:
    Maybe we just need to get to the point where we can start a time skip so that all of the characters would be older and this would be a non-issue.

    All in favor of spending ~5 years in the Village Hidden in the Mountain to win over the populace and training nonstop so that we get sealing from Yoshida, Summoning for Keiko, and minions for the hivemind, say "Aye."

    :3
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    Nay. The Fourth Great Ninja War is on the horizon, and we'll need more XP to reach S-Rank.
     
    HoratioVonBecker said:
    Nay. The Fourth Great Ninja War is on the horizon, and we'll need more XP to reach S-Rank.
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    Ah, but that war happens in canon after the time skip anyway. Also, we have veered off the rails of canon for awhile now what with Zabuza not being a missing-nin and all of the shenanigans going on in Iron Country.

    We might have some (significant) time to spend off screen after all. If we did is there any place better than here for a long term training montage?
     
    Velorien said:
    I interpreted the two statements as connected:

    - We don't have to worry about the war yet because it happens after the timeskip
    - That we are off the rails is a reason to worry about it even less
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    Tobi chose to delay the war for three years until the Four tails respawned after Yagura died. Yagura was killed by Mei. We haven't interacted with Mei yet.
    Its a hell of series of butterflies if we've affected the war, and frankly most of them will have occurred when you GMs wrote Mari.
     
    Dark as Silver said:
    Tobi chose to delay the war for three years until the Four tails respawned after Yagura died. Yagura was killed by Mei. We haven't interacted with Mei yet.
    Its a hell of series of butterflies if we've affected the war, and frankly most of them will have occurred when you GMs wrote Mari.
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    This is an AU, the whole background has been re-written. We don't know what went down with Madara and Hashirama. We are not sure if Obito was even born let alone if he "died", bequeathed his Sharingan to Kakashi or became Tobi. Neither do we know how Bijuu or Jinchuuriki work or if they are even real beyond ninja propaganda.

    I think Terumi Mei was confirmed as an up-and-coming badass Mist ninja though.

    What I'm saying is that the war got off the rails ages ago when QMs were setting down the building blocks of MfD-verse, Mari is a relatively insignificant butterfly in the big picture. Our biggest contribution to the general fuck-up levels of the Elemental Nations is the part where we voted to be Mist escapees heading to Fire in the beginning of the quest.
     
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    Twofold said:
    This is an AU, the whole background has been re-written. We don't know what went down with Madara and Hashirama. We are not sure if Obito was even born let alone if he "died", bequeathed his Sharingan to Kakashi or became Tobi. Neither do we know how Bijuu or Jinchuuriki work or if they are even real beyond ninja propaganda.

    I think Terumi Mei was confirmed as an up-and-coming badass Mist ninja though.

    What I'm saying is that the war got off the rails ages ago when QMs were setting down the building blocks of MfD-verse, Mari is a relatively insignificant butterfly in the big picture. Our biggest contribution to the general fuck-up levels of the Elemental Nations is the part where we voted to be Mist escapees heading to Fire in the beginning of the quest.
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    Point game and match
     
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