@Oneiros

Can you add Kiba's suggestion as well?
Also, maybe include asking Tsunade if she has a third option in mind.
And keep Naruto in mind as potentially being the next candidate for Toad Summoner. He definitely has the chakra reserves and reverse summoning would lower the chances of another abduction. Though I have no idea how a Tailed Beast would interact with the Summon Path.
It's very unlikely that I would support trying to keep the Toad Scroll for ourselves. I'm not even sure that Jiraiya left it to us in the will instead of to Naruto. From what I can tell everyone expects it to go to Naruto - including Naruto - and trying to keep it for ourselves would alienate ourselves from him.
 
So....

People we could adopt:

[] Its What Jiraiya Would Have Wanted
  • Anko
    • You can hang out with Mari 24/7 now.
  • Kurenai
    • Hey look, marrying Asuma would be "Clan Politics" now, convenient excuse eh?
  • Akane
    • Obvious.
  • Tenten
    • Obvious
  • Lee
    • Fuck you Keiko we're doing right by Lee. Lee is super duper fucked right now! His patron deity of youth, the person he hitched his star to, his only shining light in the world just died. We're not leaving him alone out in the dark, fuck that shit, he gets an invite to the squad. Lee is cool fuck off Keiko, we'll figure out how to chill him out or keep him outside training 24/7 or something.
  • Extra-Strength Bachelor Squad Nakabro Brouchi
    • Nakano: Come bro with us at this darkest hour.
    • Genda: Here, come join up on this so we can teach you cool magic shit and so you can keep us on the straight and narrow. You'll give us shit if we fuck up and don't think of the civilians right? Good. You'll
    • ThirdMcPerson: Fuck you get in the compound on the double.
    • Smiles O'Seducerino: Welcome to the pantheon, our victory afterparties are filled with strippers and booze, its tradition. You will be doing a lot of winning with us, believe me. Invite your civvy girls to our compound, we have magic paper and giant talking animals.

Kabuto (he's married to his work, but we're not asking him to marry)
  • medic/social spec
  • close relationship with Noburi already
  • maybe also Oro
  • probably a sociopath
  • but at least he's a high fuctioning pro-social sociopath, so it's good
 
re: Lee

Flat out tell Lee that he's doing innuendo. Challenge him to a contest of eternal rivals to improve socials. Either he'll improve, or he's a master deceit spec, in which case I want him in the clan even more. Either way, he's not going to do the Lee thing around Kei, and we finally get to find out whether it's deliberate or not.
 
re: Lee

Flat out tell Lee that he's doing innuendo. Challenge him to a contest of eternal rivals to improve socials. Either he'll improve, or he's a master deceit spec, in which case I want him in the clan even more. Either way, he's not going to do the Lee thing around Kei, and we finally get to find out whether it's deliberate or not.
No.

Get Kagome to challenge him to a contest to improve socials.
 
Kabuto (he's married to his work, but we're not asking him to marry)
  • medic/social spec
  • close relationship with Noburi already
  • maybe also Oro
  • probably a sociopath
  • but at least he's a high fuctioning pro-social sociopath, so it's good

Here you go:
  • Kabuto
    • Hey, so bloodlines are clan secrets obviously. However, if you join the clan, that solves that little problem and gives you at least one willing test subject and probably another in the form of Noburi. Can you say M A D S C I E N C E?
      • We also have two sealmasters who have expressed interest in Biosealing and Biosealing adjacent areas. How about that huh?
 
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[X] Action Plan: Gathering Allies

Word Count: <400
  • Check and follow Jiraiya's will and answers for instructions on this situation.
  • Meetings (optimize with the clan):
    • Tsunade:
      • Guidelines:
        • Be firm, but respectful: This concerns the Gouketsu clan's future. Don't be aggressive, but don't let her intimidate or dismiss you.
        • Be serious and direct: You can't manipulate her, and she hates wasting time.
        • Show measured sympathy: Tsunade just lost her lifelong teammates.
          • Don't overdo it, though: she'll hate being coddled.
      • Discussion:
        • Deliver Jiraiya's message. Offer condolences.
        • Naruto: We plan to adopt him, as Jiraiya wanted. Can we visit him?
        • Hokageship:
          • Show her Hiashi's (?) broadsheet; it's suggesting he's planning a war with Rock/Cloud...immediately after we've suffered heavy losses. The war might destroy us; even if Leaf wins, it'll compound the damage Akatsuki inflicted, crippling the village system for generations.
          • Current geopolitical situation is unprecedented: all major villages fought against a common foe, and would have lost if they didn't unify. If we capitalize on newfound political chaos and fear of outside threats, we could maybe succeed in building a lasting peace.
          • You're our best chance against Hiashi. For a lasting peace, are you willing to become Hokage?
          • (gallows humor) At worst, she'll only have to wait until Naruto takes over.
          • Also: Young clanless ninja seem to believe it's illegal for "mudfeet" to become mednin. She's fine with it?
            • If this provokes her, stand your ground.
          • If she's unwilling, who should we support?
      • Thank her for her time. You'll always welcome her advice; we'll need it.
    • Naruto (IFF he's functional):
      • Thoughts:
        • Over 4 months, Naruto:
          • Lost his godfather, Kage, several close friends.
          • Was captured and tortured by terrorists.
          • Wakes up to an irrevocably different world.
        • We promised Jiraiya we'd support him. Be gentle and understanding.
      • Introduce yourself.
      • Bring him up to speed. Offer condolences.
        • If Jiraiya left him anything, pass it on.
      • "Jiraiya wanted us to adopt you, but it's your choice: we'll support either decision, and can wait on it."
      • "Is there anyone you'd like to see?"
        • Get Tsunade's (or the charge nurse's) permission, then arrange it.
  • Ask questions:
    • Mari:
      • Clan heads' rights and duties.
      • How clan secrets work.
      • Clan heads and their political leanings.
    • Kagome: Is he willing to teach more apprentices?
  • Investigate:
    • Adoption targets: Nakano's group, Lee, clanless jounin like Kabuto.
    • The broadsheet:
      • Who printed it? Ask the Nara.
      • Gauge public sentiment towards other villages (visit bars, newscenters, hospitals).
    • Ask Minori what really happened.
 
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I think we might be getting too far ahead of ourselves WRT adoptions. Our first priority should be cementing our position as a recognized clan head. It's one thing if everyone in our compound listens to us; it's quite another for our new position to be recognized on the clan council officially. The easiest way for our political opponents to harass us would be to curtail and hinder our efforts to ensure a smooth transition of power from Jiraiya to us, or worse, successfully arguing against the legitimacy of our clan now that our two major players (Jiraiya and Shikaku) are no longer supporting us on the political stage. Don't let them steal the chair from us: it's our best line of defense in the turmoil to come.

Along with all of the other soon-to-be-recognized clan heads we need to follow protocol to the letter so that there can be no question of our position. We've already seen someone (most likely Hiashi, a proxy of his, or someone(s) using him as a scapegoat) try to frame the narrative of the battle to their whims already.
 
If you measure the distance from Mist to approximately the 'I' in 'Nagi Island', remembering that you need to islandhop instead of running in a straight line, you'll find that's it's approximately 200 miles, which is about 10 hours of ninja running time.

We actually did the math very carefully, several times. @OliWhail made a chart out of the map with the routes of everyone involved, marked out in standard-sized segments to make it easy to measure. The travel times are really not in dispute, the only things that were subjective was how much time people would need for organization and rest.


It might not have. If that had happened then we would have written the most epic wrapup we could and then decided on our next project.


Welcome! Nice to have you.

Voting is simple. People make plans and you vote for them like so:

[x] The Plan Name

You can vote for as many as you like and your vote is counted for each one.


I get why you're feeling that way, but let me try to change your mind.


Your team got into a fight in Hot Springs. As a result, Mist de facto took over the country, giving them a foothold on the western continent and a stranglehold on trade coming out of the Land of Lightning.

Hazō had the idea for skywalkers, Kagome created them.

You sold them to Leaf in exchange for being accepted into the city, not just as Leaf ninja, but as a brand new clan under the second most important ninja in the city. That is huge. I'd need to check the worldbuilding, but I'm pretty confident that no missing-nin has ever come in from the cold before, so you just set a precedent that:
  • Missing-nin can become citizens again
  • New clans can be formed by a collection of people who are not blood relatives
It cannot be overstated what a big deal these two things are.

1. Until now, a person was stuck in whatever Village they were born in, because no one else would take them. Now, if you're a skilled ninja and you don't like your village, you can leave. Someone else will accept you. Kage suddenly have an incentive to create a society that their ninja enjoy living in.

2. Until now, if you were clanless you were basically screwed. You were locked out of the advantages of the clan system (unless someone deigned to adopt you, but that was uncommon) and there was nothing you could do about it, because you almost certainly didn't have enough ninja in your family to be worthy of the name 'clan'. Now people know that it's possible to get together with unrelated friends and form a clan, and if you have something of enough value to offer you can actually get that clan recognized.

Moving on...

Because they bought skywalkers from you, Leaf felt confident enough in their combat superiority that they decided to bait a trap for Yagura (the head of Mist). Yagura took it, and all of Mist's best ninja got killed. This gave Akatsuki the chance to grab the 3-Tails, which had been one of the few jinchūriki they had no easy way to get hold of, since Yagura rarely left his city. They also got the 9-Tails as a bonus, which was nice.

The death of all their best ninja left Mist in a very precarious position on the international stage and with no clear successor for the Kage's hat. They almost had a civil war and ended up choosing Ren, a decidedly not S-rank ninja who was more of a diplomat than a fighter. They chose her because they thought they could control her. It turned out that her diplomacy skills ended up getting Mist some amazing trade deals that are likely to leave the city richer than before she took the hat.

Fast forward a bit. You captured Goda, the Yakuza banker. Leaf extracted some useful information from him that gave hints about where Akatsuki was and what they had been doing.

At the first part of the Chūnin Exams you pointed Team Bloodrage out to Jiraiya, who likely would not have had cause to interact with them otherwise. He captured them and extracted the location of their handler, who was higher up in Akatsuki's organization. Noburi and Kakashi captured the handler, who had information pointing towards Akatsuki's base. Jiraiya couldn't move on it because after Hiruzen's death and Naruto's capture he didn't have the firepower to take Akatsuki head-on.

At the Chūnin Exams tournament, Hazō stopped Zabuza from blowing the whistle on the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny, the knowledge of which could easily have sparked a war.

Everyone then went off and fought the Battle of the Gods, in which a large plurality of the senior ninja in the Elemental Nations died. There are now only a handful of S-rank ninja alive, and most of them are Akatsuki. This reduction in combat power meant that Ami was able to bring forth the conspiracy she'd been working on for years: Uniting the young clanless ninja in the city into a force powerful enough to cause real change in the culture of Mist.


So, now where do things stand? In terms of real-world history, the MfD historical period is similar to that of feudalism. What killed feudalism? The Black Death. The Black Death wiped out something like 50% of the people in Europe. Suddenly there was a labor shortage and therefore serfs had both economic value and bargaining power. There was also a need for technology to help make up for the reduced number of people -- traditional inefficient methods of weaving, farming, etc weren't sustainable anymore, so you saw rapid improvement in looms, tooling, etc. You're seeing something very similar here. The large majority of the world's best ninja just got wiped out. Remember that precedent you set about how missing-nin can be repatriated? With so many ninja wiped out in the BotG, at least some Villages are going to be actively looking for missing-nin to recruit.


All of this because of you and Team Uplift. And that was when you were a random genin running around following orders. Now you're a Clan Head with no Kage to get in your way.

Let the world tremble.
I am so sad Nara Shikaku is dead, because his perspective on this would be memeworthy.
 
Nudge her in the direction of her taking the hat.
This is Tsunade, either be direct about it or don't do it at all. She definitely won't appreciate us trying to manipulate her.
We're not going to force you; we'll support you no matter your decision.
I'd rephrase the first half as "It's still your choice" to make it nicer-sounding.
Who are good adoption targets (get Noburi to do this)?
I believe Noburi is already doing this, so we can just get his debrief.

Overall, I like the structure, scope, and focus of the plan. I'll probably vote for it once it's fully realized and we've polished up the details.
 
Expanded a bit more

[] proto plan: who gets the hat
  • Schedule a meeting with Naruto and Tsunade
    • Be polite but firm
    • Lord Gōketsu wishes to meet at your earliest convenience
  • Grab a copy of Hiashi's propoganda
  • Send an invitation to the following ninja
    • Lee
    • TenTen
    • Akane
    • Team Nakano
      • Lord Gōketsu wishes to discuss your future
  • Send a message to the clan heads of ISC.
    • Give sincere condolencesOur father died together for an ideal
      • We need to make sure we continue there dream
  • Debrief with Naruto and Tsunade
  • Take the time to talk to Naruto and get to know him
    • Introduce ourselves as Jiraiya's adopted son. A lot happened since you went on that mission.
    • Explain the quick story of our team, and tell him of our dream of Uplift.
    • express Jiraiya's wishes for Naruto to join the Goketsu.
    • He gave us a family when we thought we'd never have one again
  • Review Jiraya's will
  • Have the toad contract signed ASAP
  • Record all seals in Iron nerve
  • Decide if we want Tsunade or Naruto to make a play for the hat
    • Most important thing is keeping it out of Hiashi's hands
    • No matter what
  • Find out if Naruto wants to become clan head of the Goketsu
  • See if Orochimaru left anything about his resources or his organizations
 
Lee
  • Fuck you Keiko we're doing right by Lee. Lee is super duper fucked right now! His patron deity of youth, the person he hitched his star to, his only shining light in the world just died. We're not leaving him alone out in the dark, fuck that shit, he gets an invite to the squad. Lee is cool fuck off Keiko, we'll figure out how to chill him out or keep him outside training 24/7 or something.

I'm willing to help Lee. I want to help Lee. But we don't need to adopt him to help him. If we think we need to adopt him to survive, obviously do it. But I don't want to go so strongly against Keiko's stated desires just to help Lee when we could easily just sponsor him and provide emotional support, which is all he needs.
 
I'm willing to help Lee. I want to help Lee. But we don't need to adopt him to help him. If we think we need to adopt him to survive, obviously do it. But I don't want to go so strongly against Keiko's stated desires just to help Lee when we could easily just sponsor him and provide emotional support, which is all he needs.
Yeah. I suggest if Noburi has Lee on his promising adoption list, we consider adopting him, and if Noburi thinks he's not a good pick then we consider just offer him patronage. Lee being who he is will appreciate the support and we'll get to have a clean conscience without necessarily putting him and Keiko at odds.
 
I'm willing to help Lee. I want to help Lee. But we don't need to adopt him to help him. If we think we need to adopt him to survive, obviously do it. But I don't want to go so strongly against Keiko's stated desires just to help Lee when we could easily just sponsor him and provide emotional support, which is all he needs.
More seriously: we can just attempt to persuade Keiko that its not that bad of an idea. There wasn't really any discussion on the Lee Question besides Keiko going "Nope its not happening." I don't see the harm there?

On a meta level:

I want to deliver many OP Pangolin Jutsu unto him so that we may righteously smite all of our enemies.

Come, Lee Gouketsu, we shall DESTROY EVIL with the power of YOUTH, as long as you are respecting Keiko's Anti-Youth preferences.
 
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I don't know when I'll be around next. Judging by @faflec's proto-plan he is on the right track.

[] falfec
  • Whatever he votes for will be my default if I don't manage to actually decide between plans in time.
 
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If Naruto makes it back, adopt him into the clan. The two of you can sort out who is going to be Clan Head, but he's the one you should put forward for Hokage when the time comes. He's got the popularity and the power, and he'll listen to you.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Just so we're clear, does this mean that we should support Naruto to make a bid for the hat now (i.e., as Rokudaime), xor does it mean that we should support Naruto when he eventually makes a bid for the hat (i.e., as Nanadaime)?
This is Tsunade, either be direct about it or don't do it at all. She definitely won't appreciate us trying to manipulate her.

I'd rephrase the first half as "It's still your choice" to make it nicer-sounding.

I believe Noburi is already doing this, so we can just get his debrief.

Overall, I like the structure, scope, and focus of the plan. I'll probably vote for it once it's fully realized and we've polished up the details.
Changes made.

[] Action Plan: Gathering Allies

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  • Read Jiraiya's will and answers.
    • Focus on whatever instructions he has for us if he's dead, and apply them to our future actions.
  • Meet with people.
    • Optimize with the clan first (Mari included).
    • Tsunade:
      • Schedule a meeting in advance, try to emphasize we have something important to give her.
      • Offer our condolences for her losses, and give her Jiraiya's message to her. Let her vent.
      • Ask after Naruto, and state our intention to adopt him into our clan. Is this wise?
      • We're worried Hiashi might become Rokudaime and start WW4 (and accidentally us), how likely is this and what are our options on preventing this?
      • Ask her if she is going to make a bid for the hat. State that we are absolutely behind her if she is.
    • Naruto:
      • Schedule ahead. ONLY do this if he's functioning.
      • Introduce ourselves, and offer our condolences for his losses. Let him vent.
      • If Jiraiya left Naruto anything, give that to him.
      • Jiraiya wanted us to adopt you once you were recovered. It's still your choice; we'll support you no matter your decision.
    • Adoptees: Akane & Tenten
      • Meet with their families, since this concerns them as well.
      • Offer to adopt them into the Gouketsu. Explain what that entails and all that.
  • Investigate stuff:
    • Who are good adoption targets?
      • Ask about Kabuto.
    • How do we declare things to be clan secrets (read: Kagome's stuff)?
    • Who are the clan heads, and what are their political leanings?
    • How effective has !Hiashi's propoganda been on public opinion towards Rock/Cloud/Mist?
      • Grab a copy of the broadsheet.
 
I don't know when I'll be around next. Judging by @faflec's proto-plan he is on the right track.

[X] falfec
  • Whatever he votes for will be my default if I don't manage to actually decide between plans in time.
You can just keep the username and remove the bulletpoint and it'll vote for the last plan he ends up voting for.
 
How effective has !Hiashi's propoganda been on public opinion towards Rock/Cloud/Mist?
  • Grab a copy of the broadsheet.

Assuming that Hiashi has to be the one behind this is dangerous and borderline reckless. We should discreetly investigate the source of the newspaper to ascertain who is responsible and then proceed accordingly. If we accuse or even voice our suspicion of him without proof his pride will never let him forgive us. He might already hate us in the abstract sense because his worldview and philosophy demands it but if we make it personal he will never change his ways.

Ideally we should try to win him over rather than try to restore the previous status quo of him begrudgingly accepting Jiraiya's authority while waiting for his chance to make his move. Redemption is much more preferable to resentment. It wouldn't be easy but it would save us a ton of headaches in the future. Just imagine if Jiraiya had worked things out with Hyuuga before he died: we wouldn't be in such a dire situation here and now.
 
Assuming that Hiashi has to be the one behind this is dangerous and borderline reckless. We should discreetly investigate the source of the newspaper to ascertain who is responsible and then proceed accordingly. If we accuse or even voice our suspicion of him without proof his pride will never let him forgive us. He might already hate us in the abstract sense because his worldview and philosophy demands it but if we make it personal he will never change his ways.

Ideally we should try to win him over rather than try to restore the previous status quo of him begrudgingly accepting Jiraiya's authority while waiting for his chance to make his move. Redemption is much more preferable to resentment. It wouldn't be easy but it would save us a ton of headaches in the future. Just imagine if Jiraiya had worked things out with Hyuuga before he died: we wouldn't be in such a dire situation here and now.
My intentions on this bullet were more along the lines of going to bars and other social establishments and listening to what they were saying, or some similar method that doesn't require eavesdropping. Not sure if you think this is still risky, but I'll change it to be more clear if necessary.
 
If Naruto does agree to join the clan, but only on the proviso of being made Clan Head and making decisions his way, what's our response?
 
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