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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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why would Orchimaru want to risk getting killed in the assault? He's bought his way back into leaf by giving Jiraiya the location
 
Oneiros said:
why would Orchimaru want to risk getting killed in the assault? He's bought his way back into leaf by giving Jiraiya the location
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There are probably ways he could help without risk to himself. I think the major problem is on Jiraiya's end. He can't have people knowing that he brought Orochimaru in from the cold. Politically it would be too hard to explain. Orochimaru is practically radioactive.
 
TaliesinSkye said:
There are probably ways he could help without risk to himself. I think the major problem is on Jiraiya's end. He can't have people knowing that he brought Orochimaru in from the cold. Politically it would be too hard to explain. Orochimaru is practically radioactive.
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I don't think it would be, actually.

Orochimaru is a large part of why Leaf's getting their jinchuuriki back (in the world in which they do so, anyway). It would be easy to spin as a long-term infiltration mission on O's part.
 
Reminder: We literally know nothing factual about Orochimaru's past and whether or not he slices up people and thats why Leaf made him a missing nin, or if he just got tired of murdering people on missions and all his friends dying like flies all the time and decided he would just peace out of Leaf and thats why hes a missing nin.
 
MMKII said:
Reminder: We literally know nothing factual about Orochimaru's past and whether or not he slices up people and thats why Leaf made him a missing nin, or if he just got tired of murdering people on missions and all his friends dying like flies all the time and decided he would just peace out of Leaf and thats why hes a missing nin.
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Tsunade isn't a missing nin and she doesn't act like a normal Leaf nin.

So he probably decided to cut up people until Sarutobi got angry.
 
MMKII said:
Reminder: We literally know nothing factual about Orochimaru's past and whether or not he slices up people and thats why Leaf made him a missing nin, or if he just got tired of murdering people on missions and all his friends dying like flies all the time and decided he would just peace out of Leaf and thats why hes a missing nin.
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That's not correct. We know he did things that disgusted even Jiraiya.

Cariyaga said:
I don't think it would be, actually.

Orochimaru is a large part of why Leaf's getting their jinchuuriki back (in the world in which they do so, anyway). It would be easy to spin as a long-term infiltration mission on O's part.
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If he is known to have done unforgiveable things it might not matter. It's like getting useful intelligence from a Nazi. It's nice to have the intelligence, but that doesn't absolve them of war crimes.
 
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TaliesinSkye said:
That's not correct. We know he did things that disgusted even Jiraiya.
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"Disgusted" is not the word choice I would use and IIRC its not accurate:we know that they had a falling out and that his mental state beforehand was pretty fucked up and that Orochimaru "decided it was easier to stop caring about people".
 
MMKII said:
"Disgusted" is not the word choice I would use and IIRC its not accurate:we know that they had a falling out and that his mental state beforehand was pretty fucked up and that Orochimaru "decided it was easier to stop caring about people".
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There was more than that, but I can't recall what scene it was in. @faflec, could you help? I'm remembering Jiraiya having some comment about the things Orochimaru did to the effect that they were unspeakable.

In event, I don't think there was time before the strike had to happen to get people to Leaf and back. The strikeforce is going with the assets they can get within a couple days because after that something really bad will happen. (The thing they're using the Jinchuuriki for, presumably.) Mist to Leaf is a twoish day trip.
 
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TaliesinSkye said:
There was more than that, but I can't recall what scene it was in. @faflec, could you help? I'm remembering Jiraiya having some comment about the things Orochimaru did to the effect that they were unspeakable.

In event, I don't think there was time before the strike had to happen to get people to Leaf and back. The strikeforce is going with the assets they can get within a couple days.
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I read MfD at least twice, I don't remember anything like that despite noting down summaries of chapters.
 
I need for you all to know that QM chat right now is basically a long series of us going:
"Holy shit"
"Hoooooly shit"
"Holy SHIT"
"Wait but that means... oooh, hoooly shiiit"

E: less than five minutes later another one happened
 
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TaliesinSkye said:
There was more than that, but I can't recall what scene it was in. @faflec, could you help? I'm remembering Jiraiya having some comment about the things Orochimaru did to the effect that they were unspeakable.

In event, I don't think there was time before the strike had to happen to get people to Leaf and back. The strikeforce is going with the assets they can get within a couple days because after that something really bad will happen. (The thing they're using the Jinchuuriki for, presumably.) Mist to Leaf is a twoish day trip.
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Orochimaru's motivations are part of the quests big mysteries as far as the playerbase is concerned. That the only thing that gets brought up about him are : the one reference right after "Let the bodies hit the floor" , the mednin stuff, our clan compound, and the recent mentions is part of the reason why hes so interesting: we know nothing about his motivations.
TaliesinSkye said:
It was quite recent. One of the chapters where Jiraiya is talking about things to the kids.
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Here:

Velorien said:
Not unacceptable. Ami is everything to me, even still. She raised me. She saved me from the world. She sacrificed hours and days that could have hastened her meteoric rise to help a little girl who had earned nothing and deserved nothing. If Ami wishes to hurt me, then she may hurt me."

Hazō, Noburi and Jiraiya exchanged glances.

"Kid," Jiraiya said, "I was there with Orochimaru during his last days in Leaf, and that is still one of the most fucked-up things I've ever heard.

"Hazō, do the thing. You have carte blanche."
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MMKII said:
Orochimaru's motivations are part of the quests big mysteries as far as the playerbase is concerned. That the only thing that gets brought up about him are : the one reference right after "Let the bodies hit the floor" , the mednin stuff, our clan compound, and the recent mentions is part of the reason why hes so interesting: we know nothing about his motivations.


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Thank you for looking. That doesn't feel like the sentence I'm remembering, but I confess that my memory could be inaccurate. It was something like Jiraiya stating to talk about Orochimaru's activities to the kids, but being too disgusted by what he'd done to even say the specifics.

OliWhail said:
I need for you all to know that QM chat right now is basically a long series of us going:
"Holy shit"
"Hoooooly shit"
"Holy SHIT"
"Wait but that means... oooh, hoooly shiiit"
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You tease :p
 
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OliWhail said:
I need for you all to know that QM chat right now is basically a long series of us going:
"Holy shit"
"Hoooooly shit"
"Holy SHIT"
"Wait but that means... oooh, hoooly shiiit"
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Either we're fucked beyond belief or Team Leaf just pulled it off with a crit success or Literally Everyone Died.

Given that Radvic wrote the code, perhaps the latter? :p


Also:



AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
The Leaf strikeforce is being assembled by Shikaku on short notice after a Sand messenger brings him the news of Gaara's kidnapping, and this informs the context of who'll they'll be bringing with them.

I find it decently likely Shikaku knows about Orochimaru, but I also think that Shikaku bringing Orochimaru into the squad would involve quite a few hurdles:
  • Getting Orochimaru to agree. Might not be a problem, but also might. Orochimaru might demand concessions.
  • Getting everyone else to accept it. Most of the rest of the strike force probably don't know Orochimaru was there, and to suddenly hear that a reviled missing-nin S-ranker is now your teammate is bound to cause problems.
  • Team cohesion. Everyone's going to be watching out for Orochimaru to betray them, and plotting how to strike back in turn. These machinations detract from the strike force's overall ability to coordinate properly.
So it's not totally against Orochimaru being there, he's still an S-ranker which means he's got a lot of firepower to add, but I can easily see Shikaku deciding the other way.
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Shikamaru knows about Orochimaru. He had one of his people poll him. Jiraiya has undoubtedly raised the possibility of participating in a raid with Orochimaru before and worked out the kinks. There's no reason that Orochimaru needs to travel with the main group. Whatever Akatsuki is up to is described as really, really bad to the point where every major nation is completely cooperating and Orochimaru returned to Leaf to assist Jiraiya in preventing it from coming to pass. He's probably going to be willing to take the field.
 
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