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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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*Hundreds of miles away Kagome starts screaming about stupid students "-Not you, Honoka- *resuming screaming*"
 
I'd almost like to hear Kagome's reaction to someone suggesting carving seals into brains, in a can't look away from a train crash sort of way.

I wonder if chakra ink could be mixed with something that would solidify nicely in a mold. That'd give you better reproduction than stamps do, as I gather small imperfections are the problem with stamps. Maybe gypsum plaster? Glass or metal would mold well but probably boil off the ink, although I suppose you could mold them and then paint the ink on the outside.

...actually, that gives me an idea. What if we make paper cut outs that are the exact shape of the seal and then just paint chakra ink on the entire surface? We could make a machine that made exact cuts reliably.
 
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TaliesinSkye said:
I'd almost like to hear Kagome's reaction to someone suggesting carving seals into brains, in a can't look away from a train crash sort of way.

I wonder if chakra ink could be mixed with something that would solidify nicely in a mold. That'd give you better reproduction than stamps do, as I gather small imperfections are the problem with stamps. Maybe gypsum plaster? Glass or metal would mold well but probably boil off the ink, although I suppose you could mold them and then paint the ink on the outside.

...actually, that gives me an idea. What if we make paper cut outs that are the exact shape of the seal and then just paint chakra ink on the entire surface? We could make a machine that made exact cuts reliably.
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It's been stated that the order of brushstrokes and the like are relevant - if stencils worked, someone would have done it by now. We're hoping that some kind of automated, mechanical arm to write them out with an actual brush might work, but that's a fair few steps down the line (given printing presses are still pretty new).
 
Erolki said:
It's been stated that the order of brushstrokes and the like are relevant - if stencils worked, someone would have done it by now. We're hoping that some kind of automated, mechanical arm to write them out with an actual brush might work, but that's a fair few steps down the line (given printing presses are still pretty new).
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I'm assuming it will also need a chakra battery and sensor to reproduce the right chakra flow as it draws.
 
Honestly just teach literally everyone Shadow Clone.

/uj Honestly just teach literally everyone Shadow Clone.

"Everyone? Even civi-"

Did I stutter?

No? Good. That's a serious issue I've been trying to fix. Anyway, yes, everyone.
 
MadScientist said:
I learned martial arts mostly from a human sensei. I don't remember ever using that move on another human before the tournament, though I presumably acted out the motions while I was learning from the book. The point though, is that the book provided sufficient information that I was able to understand from diagrams and accompanying text exactly how I was supposed to move my body to perform the unfamiliar technique.
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MadScientist said:
The point is that the book contained sufficient information that I could understand how to move my body in that pattern, whether I had proprioception or not. I think a sufficiently dedicated incorporeal person could understand martial arts by reading instruction books (even if they could never do the moves themselves, lacking a body).
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The book contained sufficient information for a tournament-level trained practitioner who had already mastered a variety of similar motions to figure out how to move his body in that pattern. The leap from that to "novice who cannot perform the moves themselves" is huge.

I'm not sure if it was you who posted the link to Christine Sun Kim earlier, but that's an inaccurate comparison as well. Apart from her not being a composer but a visual artist who got into working with sound as a form of modern art, she uses a bunch of workarounds, technological and otherwise, in order to be able to do what she does. It's not a matter of sufficient dedication and imagination (at least not directly).

In regard to sealing research and, really, research in general, a friendly reminder that MfD is loosely modelled after 12th century science, and not even its high end. To put that into perspective, the greatest scientists of the real 12th century accepted as medical fact that certain animals arose from nonliving matter through spontaneous generation. Hildegard of Bingen, our world's top female physician of the time, advocated the medical value of certain plants whose scent would ward off evil spirits, and believed that bleeding could be a more or less efficacious form of healing depending on the phases of the moon.

And yes, all of these people fully believed their work to be founded on reason and observation, much the same way as sealmasters think of sealcrafting as founded on reason and observation.
 
Red Navy said:
This is incredibly weird. Something varies between elements that are created at different times. We can use iron nerve to replicate seals, which means blanks all have the same design. I would not be surprised if seals produced by an autopen run afoul of whatever causes elements produced at different times to fail.
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Maybe it's like an actually-real version of Masaru Emoto's water consciousness. You can't just draw the seal, you ALSO have to be actively focused on imbuing it with intent as well, maybe to make ChakrAI pay attention properly. If that were the case, it wouldn't be possible to make seals with just a machine, but maybe a ninja watching a seal-making machine and focusing with intent on the seals that the machine are drawing could. So the physical aspect would be mechanizable, but the intent would not. That would also probably mean clones could not make seals, since they are not sentient.

So the problem with seal elements made at different times is that ChakrAI got bored and wandered off, because intent was not being focused on the seal to make it "pay attention".

Edit: Or maybe the Oprah/new age wooey "The Secret" is a better comparison?
 
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Velorien said:
In fairness, iron weapons also revolutionised warfare.
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Let's compare the two revolutions in warfare:

Iron weapons/equipment/tools mean that states with larger economies win. The quality of iron versus bronze doesn't really matter so much as economic, logistics, discipline, individual skills and generalship. Thus, iron is revolutionary not because of its material property but the fact that its ore can be found everywhere compared to copper and tin. It also drastically speed the pace of warfare.

Skywalkers add a whole new dimension in the battlefield, making all ninja by default air mobile, and drastically increases strategic mobility of your forces, so long you have the sealmasters and the logistics, which are now an increasingly important factor in the viability of a given military force. It also drastically speed the pace of warfare.
 
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Kiba said:
Let's compare the two revolutions in warfare:

Iron weapons/equipment/tools mean that states with larger economies win. The quality of iron versus bronze doesn't really matter so much as economic, logistics, discipline, individual skills and generalship. Thus, iron is revolutionary not because of its material property but the fact that its ore can be found everywhere compared to copper and tin. It also drastically speed the pace of warfare.

Skywalkers add a whole new dimension in the battlefield, making all ninja by default air mobile, and drastically increases strategic mobility of your forces, so long you have the sealmasters and the logistics, which are now an increasingly important factor in the viability of a given military force. It also drastically speed the pace of warfare.
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That sounds like it might lead to an increase in the number of sealmasnters which sounds like the first chapter of a story that ends whith the world nuked and or eaten by tentacles .
 
Kiba said:
Let's compare the two revolutions in warfare:

Iron weapons/equipment/tools mean that states with larger economies win. The quality of iron versus bronze doesn't really matter so much as economic, logistics, discipline, individual skills and generalship. Thus, iron is revolutionary not because of its material property but the fact that its ore can be found everywhere compared to copper and tin. It also drastically speed the pace of warfare.

Skywalkers add a whole new dimension in the battlefield, making all ninja by default air mobile, and drastically increases strategic mobility of your forces, so long you have the sealmasters and the logistics, which are now an increasingly important factor in the viability of a given military force. It also drastically speed the pace of warfare.
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You take my point, though. Revolutions in warfare don't have to involve what we would consider significant advances in technology. I could have cited bows or stirrups or whatever.
 
Velorien said:
You take my point, though. Revolutions in warfare don't have to involve what we would consider significant advances in technology. I could have cited bows or stirrups or whatever.
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I agree, we can come up with a few dozen easier ways to break the setting in our favor that dont necessarily rely on Magitech :p
 
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Kiba said:
Like what?

All I can think of is inventing seals that help with studying ironworking so that we can increase the amount of iron production by an order of magnitude.
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0) Motherfucking telescopes

1)They have some form of steel presumably since that word is used throughout MfD. (If not, make that somehow for sure. Try to reverse engineer Steelspine metal?)Working on production of that would help.

2) General metalworking stuff: if they dont have molds for things like kunai we gotta do that.

3) We need to advance the economical system and mercantalism a bit. Perhaps we cannot directly compete with civilian merchants due to Merchant Council bullshit, but we should look into buying portions of a merchants business and backing them behind the scenes.

4) Getting the educational system tweaked a bit



We are basically rich modulo the few months itll take for us to get approval to sell seals to the public. After that we can ruthlessly corner the explosive tags and storage scroll markets , flood them and drive profits down for competing sealmasters. By the time we establish a soft monopoly, we likely have enough startup cash to move to another trade good. Once we get a solid network of merchants running things on an international scale (perhaps coordinated through the Yakuza to give us another layer of plausible deniability), I expect us to own a solid fraction of the continent in the following 3-5 years.

This is not taking into account other low hanging renaissance stuff similar to the printing press.
 
Traiden said:
Have mounts been a thing this whole time? We could we have working on taming a chakra beast this whole time. War elehpant style!
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What do they do? If it's a nice enough bonus maybe we could use pangolins for mounts. Or Keiko could at least.
Actually, I guess she's been doing this, but I don't know how much of it was actually in combat.
 
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