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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Huh, I wonder if we can cheat seal checking with storage scrolls.

Design a seal that does not store its target but just displays the identifier for that target. The same image that a silage scroll would display if the target was stored in it.

Then we might be able to use the indentification seal as a hash function. See if the identifier for an original seal is the same as the target seal. Use multiple variants of the identifier seal as different hash functions to get sufficiently strong guarantees.
 
Deaf people being famous musicians, I think, is a recent phenomenon allowed by both large populations with the ability and willingness to provide deaf people with the capabilities to do music?

If there was even a 10% chance of them blowing themselves and/or other people up with bad music, deaf people wouldn't be allowed to do music. So I'm firmly in the 'Very difficult and dangerous, but absolutely possible'. But probably not a worthwhile thing to do for a very long time.
 
eaglejarl said:
Y'all have a real habit of simply asserting that seal-related things will be easy. I've never understood why.
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My definition of hard is asymptotically close to most peoples definition of impossible.

Or perhaps read that quote as "Ah, it is not so difficult that I cannot imagine a vector along which this could perhaps be achieved."

'Sides that, there are things in between "easy" and "hard" on the relative difficulty scale, you know. :p
 
schlega said:
I think a chakrapunk version of this would be easier than civilian seal masters or seal verifying seals.

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There's a purely mechanical version of that from the 1700s called an autopen that might be doableish for medieval tech. (Fun bit of trivia, Thomas Jefferson called it the best invention of the century. I'm not sure if he was right on that account, but when he was president it sure saved his hand from making a lot of signatures, so I can see why he was overly fond of it.)
 
I wonder if we could improve our sealing abilities by improving precision, by using something like quills instead of brushstrokes.
 
I don't think the autopen will work, at least not without expenditure of too much time and effort. Namely because of this:
Velorien said:
A blank (and hence a seal) is a complete functional unit and you cannot swap its elements around, even with corresponding elements from other seals of the same type. When you draw a seal you must draw the entire thing at once -- if you pause for any significant time while drawing then the seal is ruined and you need to start over. Please do not badger us for a precise definition of 'significant'; you can take a sip of water every once in a while but if you do it too often or if you stop to make tea then the seal is ruined. Chakra is weird and capricious, so sometimes it feels like being more strict than other times and pushing it never works out well.
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This is incredibly weird. Something varies between elements that are created at different times. We can use iron nerve to replicate seals, which means blanks all have the same design. I would not be surprised if seals produced by an autopen run afoul of whatever causes elements produced at different times to fail.
 
Shard said:
What of completely different seal types that might before be impossible?
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It's possible, I suppose? On the other hand, I'm not sure it's likely; brushstrokes, while they make sealing more difficult, are additional bits of information provided to whatever determines what a seal does. It might turn out that seals created without brushstrokes of similar complexity might need be much larger.
 
I'm pretty sure Arikada didn't use brush strokes for her tattoos, and iirc Kagome said something about carving seals into wood.
 
schlega said:
I'm pretty sure Arikada didn't use brush strokes for her tattoos, and iirc Kagome said something about carving seals into wood.
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Ah, good point. I misspoke. Rather, it'd take a substantial amount of time and effort (and risk) to change to a different style of sealing, and you would need to learn how to make a seal in different styles independently.
 
Cariyaga said:
It might turn out that seals created without brushstrokes of similar complexity might need be much larger.
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Hmmm.....
There are a number of different substrates you can use for sealing. Most of them would cause Kagome to start screaming, etc., etc...

I wonder if anything at all* would happen if you carved a seal into the countryside.

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*Tangent, but it's related to what I think might be the most likely outcome:

In my very first session of D&D, in my very first "campaign"(that never went further than this session), one of my party members had a brilliant idea /s .

Player: "Hey, can I summon Cthulhu?"
DM: "....."
Player: "Like, make a magic circle and start chanting ''Cthulhu r'lyeh ia" or some stuff and get him to do my bidding?"
DM: "........................."

DM: "Let me tell you what is going to happen if you try to do that. First of all, like I've already said in the exposition, this town that you're passing through isn't very friendly to magic users because [plot reasons]. Assuming you just do that in a field, or Gods forbid, in the middle of town, the constable will just lock you up for Sorcerous Machinations. If you do this in your room at the Inn, the Innkeeper will beat the shit out of you, and then call the constable, and then you'll be locked up for Sorcerous Machinations."

(Somewhere in this the player tried to interrupt, but the DM fired back with something like "hey, we talked about doing stupid shit before we all got together. Don't.")

DM: "Now, say you went somewhere out of the way, where people wouldn't find you, and you go and carve a magic circle in the middle of the forest or something, something that looks like a nice summoning array to your untrained eye, and you stand in front of it and start chanting."

DM: "Even if you stood there and chanted nonstop through the day and night, forgoing sleep, food, and water, continuously taking penalties until you died, you still would not summon an Eldritch Horror. Even if it existed - which by the way, your character should have no reason to believe it does - you would literally have better luck asking Pelor* to kill a random commoner, 'just because'."

*Pelor is a Lawful Good deity in D&D.
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Anyway, DM-rant aside, "nothing happens" seems like the most likely outcome of (at least the early (i.e., first few hundred years of) forays into) Sealing shenanigans like that.
 
Dissonance said:
Hmmm.....
There are a number of different substrates you can use for sealing. Most of them would cause Kagome to start screaming, etc., etc...

I wonder if anything at all* would happen if you carved a seal into the countryside.

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*Tangent, but it's related to what I think might be the most likely outcome:

In my very first session of D&D, in my very first "campaign"(that never went further than this session), one of my party members had a brilliant idea /s .

Player: "Hey, can I summon Cthulhu?"
DM: "....."
Player: "Like, make a magic circle and start chanting ''Cthulhu r'lyeh ia" or some stuff and get him to do my bidding?"
DM: "........................."

DM: "Let me tell you what is going to happen if you try to do that. First of all, like I've already said in the exposition, this town that you're passing through isn't very friendly to magic users because [plot reasons]. Assuming you just do that in a field, or Gods forbid, in the middle of town, the constable will just lock you up for Sorcerous Machinations. If you do this in your room at the Inn, the Innkeeper will beat the shit out of you, and then call the constable, and then you'll be locked up for Sorcerous Machinations."

(Somewhere in this the player tried to interrupt, but the DM fired back with something like "hey, we talked about doing stupid shit before we all got together. Don't.")

DM: "Now, say you went somewhere out of the way, where people wouldn't find you, and you go and carve a magic circle in the middle of the forest or something, something that looks like a nice summoning array to your untrained eye, and you stand in front of it and start chanting."

DM: "Even if you stood there and chanted nonstop through the day and night, forgoing sleep, food, and water, continuously taking penalties until you died, you still would not summon an Eldritch Horror. Even if it existed - which by the way, your character should have no reason to believe it does - you would literally have better luck asking Pelor* to kill a random commoner, 'just because'."

*Pelor is a Lawful Good deity in D&D.
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Anyway, DM-rant aside, "nothing happens" seems like the most likely outcome of (at least the early (i.e., first few hundred years of) forays into) Sealing shenanigans like that.
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Well, sealing requires a chakra-ink (or whatever other method of imposing chakra upon something you can find) substrate as its medium of act...ion... without which it would do nothing...

Hold that thought.

If Naruto has ever infused chakra-ink that Jiraiya still has handy (perhaps he wanted to learn sealing at some point to be like his godfather, but gave up? Or maybe he's a sealmaster himself, whatever), that can be where we get our chakra sample. For uh, for use in combining with a blood sample (from his equipment or whatever) to sign Jiraiya's sealing scroll with.
 
Quite frankly I am appalled that we are limiting our magical eldritch symbol crafting to a flat two dimensional piece of paper. How boring!

Clearly we need to get Smithing 80 and some stunts that allow us to craft 3 dimensional chakra-infused metal seal sculptures.
 
MMKII said:
Quite frankly I am appalled that we are limiting our magical eldritch symbol crafting to a flat two dimensional piece of paper. How boring!

Clearly we need to get Smithing 80 and some stunts that allow us to craft 3 dimensional chakra-infused metal seal sculptures.
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.....You know what? Fuck it.

>Not getting Medknow 80 and Mednin 80 and Sealing 80 and inscribing seals on the brains of people who are still alive

Fucking casual
 
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