Well EJ just said it would be a highly non-trivial endeavour (implying that the task itself is hard, not just the politics involved in making it happen), and I think it's best to have clear mechanical representation of how that applies.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Well EJ just said it would be a highly non-trivial endeavour (implying that the task itself is hard, not just the politics involved in making it happen), and I think it's best to have clear mechanical representation of how that applies.
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With the rate that civilians gain XP, a high enough XP cost stunt would likely partially explain why nobody thinks it is possible.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Work to find civilians with a high Talent coefficient but a low chakra capacity?
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Yessssss, that's what I was thinking of!
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
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My mental model of sealing given the recent discussion is not computer programming, it is hobbiest electronics where you are making all of your parts in a basement workshop and there are no measurement devices that you have not built.
There is underlying logic and systems to analyze, but there is no easy set of isolated layers to use until you define them yourself, and figure out how to characterize your functional elements via measurement.
There is underlying logic and systems to analyze, but there is no easy set of isolated layers to use until you define them yourself, and figure out how to characterize your functional elements via measurement.
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I predict a high talent civilian would wonder why they weren't climbing mercantile or social ladders, rather than a likely multiple year course of study with a low likelihood of success, only then to lock themselves into being a ninja resource that would be highly open to assassination.
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Yeah, not a huge issue, but one that could annoy somebody later on if it makes the difference between a stress box taken or not. Better for a token consideration at low stakes than at high, especially given that we're about to fight a ton of folks with mild and moderate consequences.
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Bah. DYACYou should seek a combination of medical assistance and mystical guidance immediately!
Perhaps Doctor Strange?
I've threadmarked these in the "Informational" section. We'll come back to them when it becomes relevant, but none of the QMs are sufficiently brained to deal with it now.
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"Maybe, but I'm way more likely to revolutionize my anatomy in deeply unpleasant and probably fatal ways"
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It *looks like*, counting from the CfG interlude, this is the most recent plan. If ye have objections to this, speak now.
Emstar
The Shining One
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Yeah thats the one.
NB: I don't think anyone would mind if you delegate a majority of the preparation stuff to off-screen.
Test it on Shin first please.
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He should get some control variables and implant surviving Uchiha civilians.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Proper controls would be regular civilians. And also clanless ninja.
e: We can use Akane and her parents for that.
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Well I have a very reasonable plan to find out if he does!
TaliesinSkye
Occasional Editor
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Fortunately when that happens it's a good clue that it's probably an explosive seal anyway. (Or something else you want to jump out of the way of.)
Incidentally, maybe we should make use of dummy seals for the purpose of making people jump out of the way. That sounds like it has promise in situations where we want a tactical advantage but don't actually want to blow people up.
A possible solution would be designing a seal that checks a particular type of seal. Factories that produce electronics have custom rigs that make contact with all the components on a manufactured board and run tests on them all to make sure the board is good before it goes out the door. Maybe something similar using a custom seal that senses/tests chakra flows to determine whether they comply with a particular design (one exact variation of storage seal or explosive seal or skywalker seal or whatever else you might want to manufacture, you'd have to design a different tester seal for each one) would do the trick. You could base it on whatever mechanism those seals that light up when chakra is used around them use to sense chakra, scaling up the complexity to sense very particular patterns of potential chakra channels and then light up or whatever to verify that the seal blank is good.
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Emstar
The Shining One
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Thats a really good idea for a seal. What about if--
*imagines Dimensional Stabilization seals that stop extremely horrible sealing failures after being set up properly in the test area*
Both of these need to be pitched to Kagome and Jiraiya at some point.
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While I have no doubt this is theoretically possible, it sounds like the sort of thing that would exist already if it weren't prohibitively difficult. Even sealmasters are at risk of failing their calligraphy rolls, so a seal to double check for you easy peasy would be incredibly valuable.
I bet if we asked Kagome about it, we'd hear a story about one of his colleagues who went crazy and decided to make a seal-checking seal and got turned into a chakra earthworm.
Emstar
The Shining One
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Hmm I think that a Seal That Checks Seals would probably have to-- in some way-- simulate infusing your seal if not actually infusing the seal.
This seems complicated but even the later might be of decent use to prevent sealing failures.
This seems complicated but even the later might be of decent use to prevent sealing failures.
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One cheaty way to do this is to redesign LBF to check the hypothetical seal with the known seal. But this requires the sealmaster be capable of making the seal properly.
Emstar
The Shining One
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Now thats a really good idea!
Edit: So Seal That Checks Other Seals is not immediately super hard.
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I'm generally all for in character exploration of seals, but I wouldn't say that there is a clear line of progression from (having an LBF that triggers when line of effect is broken) to (having an LBF-like that triggers when Seal A is not equivalent to Seal B.)
But, even so, it's another thing to eventually ask Kagome/Jiraiya about, or when we are surer in our abilities approach on our own merit.
Emstar
The Shining One
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Isn't it only infusion?
You roll Calligraphy to make the blank (we can cheese this after the first time). If you fuck up the roll, it will be a guaranteed fail during infusion.
Then you roll Sealing to infuse. If you mess this up, you get a sealing failure.
So its just infusion as far as I can see.
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Sealing research in general might be different in the experimentation process though, but I would think infusion is the riskier part, mechanically speaking.
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