Cariyaga
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Emstar
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Instead of boosting to a preset standard perhaps such jutsu acts as a multiplier (something that matches up with how it effects dice rolls)
True, but it's also much more scalable - we can't get more Kurosawa as fast as we can build machines once we've got the design down. Also, they're hardly exclusive, and we should probably pursue both
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Highly debatable.
Cariyaga
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Disagreed. Printing presses are dirt simple compared to politics.
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No one has ever made a sealing printing press before. People have successfully created political movements. Have to disagree on your assessmentDisagreed. Printing presses are dirt simple compared to politics.
Cariyaga
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That doesn't really follow...?
By that logic, someone saying aloud the exact phrase "Purple pangolins will devour the world" is harder than recruiting the Kurosawa
Something never having been done before doesn't necessarily mean it will be more difficult in absence of other evidence. Which isn't to say that I think making a sealing printing press will actually be easy, just that I think it will be easier than suborning the Kurosawa to our whims. The Kurosawa's thing is to be frontline fighters -- it's in their clan motto, for goodness' sake -- and I think you're significantly underrating the difficulty in interfacing with that.
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Maaaan, that's gonna be crazy for Noburi; he's already used to absorbing chakra, so I can only imagine he'd be better at it than most others. Hopefully that can be his combat specialty (other than Vamp Dew).
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Disagreed. Printing presses are dirt simple compared to politics.
Slavery is cheap though. ʘ‿ʘ
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The only realistic route towards "recruiting the Kurosawa" is making the alliance happen and then tightening it to the point where our sealing projects can be a joint effort between Mist and Leaf. Otherwise, the clan won't collectively defect to Leaf, and having Hazou rejoin and stay in Mist is unacceptable for many reasons.
I understand that having Hazou become the Kurosawa heir seems like a cool idea from a distance, but I'm fairly confident it would suck to actually navigate that in practice.
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So, um, I just finished binging the thread and I have a question....
Why exactly is Akane breaking up with Hazou? Like, I get that she feels that he treats her as a tool (Laughable compared to the Zabuza/Haku dynamic of canon which is presumably even worse in some cases for this quest), but then that's something I had to deal with when I first started dating (admittedly with where to go for dates and not military assets) as well as my parents when they married; and you know what? They decided to talk it out like normal people. Maybe I have missed something since I basically only read the main story, but the MC was willing to threaten Jiraiya TO HIS FACE to keep her safe, and would have been utterly unapologetic if it hadn't endangered the rest of his team, and has made a point of always striving to never make the same mistake twice- so why the sudden lack of forgiveness? This is only compounded when I read the recent interlude and she seems to have about-turned for no good reason
I just can't see why this requires a break up rather than a calm discussion about how Hazou can improve. Is she lashing out because she feels that she will always be overshadowed by Hazou? And most importantly why didn't any of Hazou's other friends or Mari talk to him about this earlier? Its not like he has suddenly shifted behaviour......
Sorry about the rant, but Akane's behaviour flies in the face of most of my own experience of relationships, and I would like some other perspectives to help me understand.
Why exactly is Akane breaking up with Hazou? Like, I get that she feels that he treats her as a tool (Laughable compared to the Zabuza/Haku dynamic of canon which is presumably even worse in some cases for this quest), but then that's something I had to deal with when I first started dating (admittedly with where to go for dates and not military assets) as well as my parents when they married; and you know what? They decided to talk it out like normal people. Maybe I have missed something since I basically only read the main story, but the MC was willing to threaten Jiraiya TO HIS FACE to keep her safe, and would have been utterly unapologetic if it hadn't endangered the rest of his team, and has made a point of always striving to never make the same mistake twice- so why the sudden lack of forgiveness? This is only compounded when I read the recent interlude and she seems to have about-turned for no good reason
I just can't see why this requires a break up rather than a calm discussion about how Hazou can improve. Is she lashing out because she feels that she will always be overshadowed by Hazou? And most importantly why didn't any of Hazou's other friends or Mari talk to him about this earlier? Its not like he has suddenly shifted behaviour......
Sorry about the rant, but Akane's behaviour flies in the face of most of my own experience of relationships, and I would like some other perspectives to help me understand.
I basically agree with this, but had trouble phrasing it myself in way I was happy with. I think the answer is that this is a major part of Hazou's personality that Akane doesn't think can change, so there's no point in dragging things out with an attempt to talk through it.
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Yeah....he's done this a LOT. The last (big) time was the Mist Drain Incident, and yes Akane was there for that. My model of Akane is telling me that Hazou can't/won't improve, and is breaking up in part of this (and the other part is the fact that she just got booted from the equivalent of the ninja Olympics, only these Olympics actually matter).
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As far as I can tell: liking Hazou is effort, worthwhile, but effort. Loving Hazou, especially when he has been in full combat autism mode since the start of the exams, in the knowledge that if he fucks up he kills the best chance to realise his ideals he'll ever have, must be exhausting.
Combine that with being teenagers in their first romance, her being knocked out of the competition, the EM reveal was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Love is effort, but so far they've just floated along on a cloud of fluffy puppy infatuation. Is it any surprise that when the going got tough she got going?
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There were a couple of things.
First, it wasn't one instance of using her as a tool, it was two in rapid succession. First we roped her (albeit indirectly, through Keiko) into following a plan that she was not okay with. Then we sold one of her secrets to ensure the plan's success, without asking her.
Then a decent political manipulator framed both of those things as betrayals and rubbed it in her face in front of all her friends.
I'm failing to come up with a decent real world analogy.
Imagine you had a winning sports strategy that you were pretty sure would win you a lot of games one day, and that winning was going to get you a scholarship. But it stops working if your opponents know about it. Your SO has a big exam coming up, and they need to ace it. One of their best friends, acting on their instructions, insists that you help them cheat on that exam, which you are not okay with. Later, your SO tells a bunch of different people about your secret in order to help themselves cheat more effectively. This is not the first time he has given away someone else's secret without asking them.
Then, someone mocks you in front of all your friends for trusting your SO. That is actually how you found out about it, because they hadn't told you about it yet.
Except replace scholarship with "Not die".
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Which part does this refer to?
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I am pretty sure Ren is going to try to marry him back into the clan. She had plans to bring Hazou back into the clan in the past, why would she stop now when there is a good chance that Jiraiya would agree?
Further Shin pointed out that:
a) Hazou has the purest Kurosawa blood (even with a civilian dad) which probably means that the Kurosawa main family has been marrying Kurosawa with each other for a while.
b) While all the Iron nerve users are descendants Kurosawa Satokos children (duh), he pointed out that Hazou is directly from the primary line from Nozomu, this seems to be important to them or he wouldn't have mentioned it.
The whole Kurosawa succession seems to be in the air, with Ren either refusing to have children or being unable to have them (even Keiko seems to accept her fate here, but an accomplished Diplomat like Ren wouldn't do a politcal marriage to produce a single kid? Seems odd to me).
I do agree that this isn't going to suck in a lot of places, most of the Kurosawa aren't going to like Hazou a lot.
You and I have very different views on what Jiraiya would agree to here.
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That part doesn't map perfectly, but when Hinata twists the knife in front of STL. Maybe I remember that scene incorrectly
Edit: well, I'm crazy. That scene isn't even there.
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What I found somewhat surprising about the Akane breakup was the relative abruptness of it. She was determined enough to make the relationship work that she directly asked Jiraiya for Hazou's hand in marriage and even seemed to accept becoming his mistress if he ended up marrying for political advantage. She appeared very serious and mature about it. But then she breaks up with Hazou a few weeks later over something minor in the grand scheme of things.
I guess for all of her apparent maturity, she's still a teenager trying to figure out her path in life.
I definitely think Hazou or Noburi marrying a girl from one of Ren's backer clans is a real possibility. In that kind of arrangement, their kids would be Goketsu, though. You're talking about Jiraiya essentially giving up Hazou to the Kurosawa, which I very much doubt he'll be willing to do.
I guess for all of her apparent maturity, she's still a teenager trying to figure out her path in life.
I definitely think Hazou or Noburi marrying a girl from one of Ren's backer clans is a real possibility. In that kind of arrangement, their kids would be Goketsu, though. You're talking about Jiraiya essentially giving up Hazou to the Kurosawa, which I very much doubt he'll be willing to do.
Unlikely, because there's little chance of Jiraiya giving Hazou up. Hazou's pretty much the de facto heir for the clan, and like hell he would give up the advantages to sealing the Iron Nerve gives.
Most likely she would marry a Kurosawa into Goketsu via Hazou, and then plan for a reciprocal marriage back into Kurosawa through one of Hazou's kids to further strengthen ties in the future.